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Med

no, no missinterpretation....
i actually understand quite well your concerns and it may well come to pass that i do take action to get my victor to move his butt!!!!!
but......for now......we are watching tv together and that seems to please us both. ;)
goodnight,
~shirley & victor
 
Hey Shirley and Victor, how are you guys? I am sorry to hear that you didn't have the surgery, Victor. Perhaps maybe another time, eh? I just logged on, and saw that you were going to leave the forum, and I am SO glad you didn't!

I think this is why we have moderators. Everybody is entitled to their opinion, BUT back when we had problems on other threads, the point was made (I don't remember if it was Ross or Hank) that we are NOT supposed to get off the subject of the thread...If you want to get off the subject, start another thread in 'small talk'.

That being said, I have been thinking about you and Victor, wondering how you have been, if either of you had made any medical decisions. Please keep us updated, and feel free to come and vent at any time. We are your family, and will always be here for you! It is hard being an SO of a heart patient, especially when you are ill yourself. Take care of yourself, Shirley, and eventually it will work itself out. We love you, and we are here for you!

Joy
 
Joy always seems to pop in just at the right time with good thoughts. Thanks, Joy, you said it very well.

Shirley - you just stick around just like we said when you first joined all those months ago. Many of us recall that very first post and have followed with interest, caring and concern through it all since then. This site is for information AND SUPPORT. Info is when we just don't know what we want to know and SUPPORT is what comes after the info and it's what all of us need. So glad you aren't leaving us. Every single person in VR has something to offer, including you. We need you. Who knows when someone else will come in with a similar situation and you can give all sorts of info and support. Love Ann
 
There are always alot of emotions when issues of the heart are at stake...

It is the difference of opinions and perspectives that bring diversity to a group. I have always liked the diversity here... :)

Shirley and Victor I hope you get some rest as this has been an exhausting week for the both of you for sure.

Good points have been made here from both sides and maybe when emotions are more calm solutions can be found. The most important thing is everyone here wants Victor to get better.

Still in the waiting room myself, I don't know how I will handle surgery day when it is here?

May I suggest continuing this thread in the significant others forum. I have browsed there and have been wondered at the fewer number of posts. I would think this would be a much needed area for spouses and family members to share emotions and feelings. I'm sure Shirley is not the only who has gone through this...

Get some rest and keep us posted :)
 
Good Idea

Good Idea

hi bethanne,
yes i think that would be the perfect folder for this discussion. if anyone who has 'the power' wants to move it there, that would be fine with me.

in the meantime.....victor and i have been watching movies all day....and tending the flower garden...its a bright sunshiney day here and we are happy and laughing with one another......in this land of denial.......
~shirley & victor
 
One of the best peices of advise my mom gave me when I was growing up is, "always live for today, enjoy the time you have here on earth." I have learned through my experiences with my heart disease, and all the trials and tribulations that we all have in common here on VR.com, is that we are all here for a reason, there is a plan for all of us...We just don't know what it is yet. It sounds like you and Victor are living your life, doing what you enjoy doing. Enjoy each other, and every day you have. Victor will come around and have his surgery when he is ready. Meanwhile, keep checking in and keeping us updated!
 
Thanks Joy

Thanks Joy

i think you mom had the right idea!!!!!!
have great weekend joy ;)
shirley & victor
 
I was dead afraid I would walk out on my surgery.

I have told many people that it just isn't right to have to surrender yourself up for this type of surgery. They should send six, burly men to drag you off, kicking and screaming, to the OR.

It still strikes home, even afterwards. I grabbed my wife's arm the other night and shouted, "I let a guy cut my heart out last week! What was I thinking?!"

If he can gather himself together to try again, in his own time, no recriminations, let him lead it, he will likely see it through. I can see from the postings that, whatever else, in the end he will most likely do it because he will not want to leave you.
 
Hi Bob

Hi Bob

i hope that's the case.....but i'm afraid he is just gonna wait till "something happens" before he will take action. i am weary at this point. we have been struggling with this thing for 2 years now, with ME doing ALL the 'leg work' and i am tired. this is our 3rd 'go around' and the furthest he has taken it to date, so i guess in that sense, we are making 'progress'.
i surely do understand how frightening it is to be faced with such 'options'.
not a good place to be at all.
for now....we are just enjoying our time together.
you take care and please keep us all informed as to how you're doing!!!!! i am just in awe when i see people with such serious surgeries up and about, POSTING a WEEK OR SO AFTER!!!!
;) you sound great!!!!!!!
~shirley & victor
 
Let's keep the forums going strong!

Let's keep the forums going strong!

Dear Friends, while glancing through the threads last night, I came across this one, and I have to say that I had never expected to see something that was supposed to be aimed at helping people become such a free-for-all. Bearing that in mind, although we’re a family, we do have to remember that there will be differences of opinion from time to time, and each one of us is free to express his or her own opinions as they see fit. Since we can’t hear each other’s tone of voice, what is written down can often be misunderstood, but let’s try to stick to Victor’s case. No one here has intended to offend him or Shirley. I’ve read the posts and can understand both sides of the argument. On one side we have Victor, scared out of his wits and a bag of nerves, his emotions torn apart and at this point can’t think straight. On the other side, we have Shirley, a person with problems of her own who is trying to convince him to go through with the operation, but is giving up after trying everything she could. This is not an easy situation they’re going through. That’s where we come in, trying to help them work it out, a task which is far from easy. Anyway, all that’s left for us to do now is to keep on trying to at least get them to calm down and take things from there. I see that time is running out for him and we can all relate to how he feels one way or another. But by what I’ve seen before, there’s a lot more to it than merely being afraid of the operation. At this stage, only a professional might be successful in persuading him to work it out. However, as silly as it may seem, he is perfectly entitled to accept or reject this help, which leaves us with very little to do but continue treating him with the love and respect we all deserve. Let’s stick together and to those of you who have got a bit heated up over this, remember that we are all affected by our own heart problems and sometimes end up writing things down the wrong way. I say that we should keep the forum going strong and let bygones be bygones.

God bless you all
 
Hi Deborah

Hi Deborah

thank you for your thoughts, and as of now, victor and i are just kinda hanging out and enjoying life (as we now know it) together. we are both faced with life challenging situations, so while it is difficult for me to agree with his choices....i have to accept them. i dont believe he is going to change his mind. either way, i will continue to come here, hopefully to help but also to accept all the support i (and victor) have received.
in my humble opinion-so many folks here have been through this with victor and me for the entire duration.....and i am so thankful for them. it is my honest belief that NO ONE (no matter what their assesment of the situation) posted anything that was meant toward myself or victor to be anything other than loving and supportive. everyone has their own way of showing support and i didnt see anyone in this thread, saying anything that was less than 100+% supportive. thats just my reaction to it all. i did have victor read all the posts and he understood where everyone was coming form-a place of total concern for us both.
you are right, this is a strong forum and i am more than happy to be able to come here and be received with open arms. and again, thank you too, so much, for your kind and loving support.
~shirley & victor ;)
 
Rain's opinion

Rain's opinion

Victor,

I agree with RCB. If I was you and read this thread, I?d think ?what a self righteous bunch of people?. :eek: We have no idea why you?ve made the decisions you have. A lot of the decisions we make as individuals are decisions no one but we ourselves fully understand. No one else has ?walked a mile in our moccasins?. There?s a lot of things that could be involved besides fear of the operation itself. There?s money, religion, family relations, on and on.. things some of us may never even think of could be influencing Victors decision.

I had a little confusion on whether I should be having the surgery myself. And religion was a big part of it. Most people would never understand that. I don?t really care. :rolleyes: I?m sure you don?t really care if we understand your reasons either. :) I do care about you, and I do hope you decide to have the surgery before it?s to late, but I respect your decision. :p

More than why I considered not having the surgery, I think it?s more appropriate to tell you why I DID decided to follow through with it. I did it for very selfish reasons. My cardiologist told me that my heart was in such bad shape that I would not live more than a few years without the surgery. I was very afraid of dying, :eek: but what bothered me even more.... was the thought of someone else raising my children. :mad: And I couldn?t stand the idea of what my death would do to my children, my Mom and my brothers and sisters. And as childish as it may seem... I couldn?t even stand the thought of anyone ?sorting? through my belongings after I was dead! :mad: lol I can tell from your wife?s post that you have many people around who love you too. :) When you feel so rotten it can be hard to remember why you want to live. :eek: But you have many reasons for keeping yourself alive... just ask your wife. She'll remind you what they are if you need her to. :D You'll feel so much better after the operation. When you feel good, you feel like living. But the catch 22 is.. ... you can?t feel good with out the dad gum operation. :(

I had to drive for 7 hours to get to the hospital where they could do my operation. Giving my kids and my Mom a hug and leaving them is one of the hardest things I?ve ever done. Then Victor... get this! I did the angiogram one afternoon, spent the night in the hospital... spent a sleepless night mentally preparing myself for the flippin? surgery... did all the prep, with the anti biotic shower and such... THEN an hour before surgery time... the nurse tells me my surgeon is in an emergency operation and can?t do me that day!! I was like, ?no, please God... you can?t do this to me!? (It was almost the straw that broke the camels back.) So rather than spend the night in the hospital, I wanted to go back to the hotel with my husband. I really, really dreaded going back to the hospital at 5:30 the next morning. I told myself, ?Rain, don?t you dare second guess yourself. Put one foot in front of the other and do what ya gotta do to get yourself through this.? I wasn?t hysterical or anything... I just couldn?t stand the idea of them cutting my chest open, stopping my heart and messing around with what God gave me to begin with!! It was hard... I?m sure it was just as hard for everyone else who has had it done. Anyway... maybe that?s where you are... just put one foot in front of the other until you go through all the motions to get you to the other side. It?ll take some work. But I know if you make a decision in your mind to lose some weight, get the operation and have a life, you can do it. But you have to make the decision, not any of us here, or even your wife. Just think of the operation as your first step. That in itself will make you feel better, then add a little exercise, maybe some changes in diet and ?walla? your kids have a happy, healthy father! :) You're wife has a happy, healthy husband and YOU have a happy, healthy self. :D I know, slap me... :p I made it sound so easy. It?ll take a lot of work... but its worth it. A lot of people care about you. Who knows what your future holds.

Big warm hugs, Victor. :) Don?t let anyone pressure you into anything you don?t wanna do........ but don?t wait to long to make the decision to live. :D Wow... there?s a name for that sentence. lol I just want what?s best for you and your family. You know what that is... so you go dude.

Shirley, I hope you will never leave us. I have much admiration for your accepting Victor?s choices. My Aunt went through this my Uncle... she was soooooooo mad at him. lol Not really funny, but it is in a way, if you?d have known them. :) I?d go sit up with my Uncle in the middle of the night, so my Aunt could get some sleep. Those are some of my favorite memories of him. Boy, did he tell me some stories about him and my Dad!! They were born in 1918 & 1916... he had some doozies! My Uncle died at home, just as he wanted too. But boy was my Aunt pissed and snarly at him sometimes. But you could tell they both really loved each other, as I can tell you love Victor. But my Uncle was an older man... he figured he didn't have that long anyway and he didn't wanna deal with it. I think Victor is a lot younger and will consider the future ahead of him. I think he?ll have the operation... if nothing else, he?ll do it for his children.

And lastly.... Rain the rebel, cannot help but say.... I think we should all be able to ?air? our comments here. Why should RCB need to hide his opinion? Who decides who?s opinion is worthy and who?s isn?t? That wouldn?t be a ?public? forum. That would be Ross?s (or who ever makes the decisions) forum. You may as well just talk to that person, because all other posts would reflect his opinion! Go ahead, tear this letter to Victor & Shirley apart... beat me up where ever you see fit..... but this IS RAIN?s opinion. You won?t change my mind, no more than I will change yours.

And lastly, lastly.... It?s Victor?s life, for crying out loud... lets be a little supportive. THAT is what this forum is all about. If anyone can convince me that calling someone a ?coward? (or whatever) is supportive.... then my Mama is gonna rise from the grave. Goes against everything she taught me. ALTHOUGH..... I will go on to say.... I?m sure you all meant well. Shirley, Victor.... I know you understand how this thread has got a little ?off topic? as Ross likes to call it.... but personally, I kinda think that?s part of what makes us a family. :D I bicker with my real siblings now and then....... what makes anyone think we won?t have a difference of opinion here with our vr.com siblings?? :p

Good luck Victor & Shirley. I wish you all the best!!
 
Rain

Rain

oh man.....honey i cried all through your post!!!! not kidden!!!!
thank you so much for your support!!!!! i sure will have victor read it!!!
and i agree wiht you that we should all be able to 'air' our views. i'm not really sure that anyone actually got 'off topic',,i think more it was all combined into the pro and con of victors' decision. no, he never ever thought anyone was being mean or rude or anything like that at all. he understands why everyone wants him to have the operation and he knows how hard it is for us all to watch while he doesnt have it. :(
i know he is thankful to everyone who has become so much a part of our lives here, as am i. ;)
so far.....things are status quo. :rolleyes: no change.....but that will ultimately be his decision to make. i was very angry for a while, but now i see that i have to support him, no matter what...it is.in the end...his body, his life.
thank you again RAIN....you really made my day.
~shirley & victor
 
decision

decision

Hello Shirley and Victor, the fact that you've both been so active in this forum nust mean something and I'm sure that when we all least expect, Victor will have changed his mind. Even though he backed out at the last minute, I don't believe for a minute that he had intended to do so, it was a desperate act. He did go to hospital after all and I know that once he realizes how ill he can get, he'll do it again. I'll go on reading the messages . Bye :mad: !
 
Deborah

Deborah

thanks honey, and i sure do hope you are right about victor......
i'm keeping my fingers crossed...
;)
~shirley & victor
 
hello!

hello!

Hi Shirley, just felt like saying hello and see how the two of you are getting on. I've been thinking about Victor an awful lot and every time I read about somebody having an operation, I wish he would work up the courage to do the same thing. I'm not going to bore you by repeating myself over and over but if only he realized the chance he's missing by having opted for the choice he did! I can't explain why but I do believe he'll still change his mind. By the way, Victor's my brother's name too. Don't forget to take care of yourself as well! Débora
 
Good Morning!

Good Morning!

thank you deb!!! we are ok. so far. ;)
just hanging out with each other around the apt. goofy (victor) has taken to eating fat and salt and sugar again :eek: and i am just hanging on :rolleyes:
otherwise, not much has changed.
appreciate your concern, i will share with victor.
take care,
~shirley & victor
 
support

support

Hi Mark, I'm happy somebody else has turned up to keep this thread going. Regardles of Victor's choice, he still needs us all the same and so does Shirley, maybe more than ever now. Only time will tell the end of this story but for the time being, everything seems to be under control.

Shirley and Victor, don't think that because you haven't made the choice most of us hoped you would, that your friends here have forgotten you. Just keep on writing to us and hang in there! Feel free to write about anything at all and just in case you want to Email me or send me a PM , I'll be very happy to correspond with you. Débora
 
Hi Mark!

Hi Mark!

honey thank you so much for your passionate post! as for as the egg.... :eek:
its ok .....i try to mess up the first thing every morning...that way i can pretty much avoid it the rest of the day..... :D
yoou betcha i am still gonn abe here!!!! ;) i need you guys and so does victor! he reads.....ok, because i MAKE him!!!! :p but still, he reads, and i know that everyones outpouring of support in each individual way, has made a huge impact on him!
i cant say he will change his mind...... :( but whatever he desides, i will have to accept it....
so, right now, victor is asleep and i am cooking some green beans to go with our dinner. ;)
maybe we should rename this thread: "SHIRLEY & VICTORS CONTINUING SAGA".... :p :D
once again, we both appreciate EVERYONES post!!!! believe me, right now, we need all the support (whichever the 'vote') we can get!! and we have never felt anything here BUT that!!!! :) :)
take care,
~shirley & victor
 
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