carolinemc,
I don't believe I was rude or disrespectful to you in my message to you in post #33 but you gave me an angry face
. Do you have any interest in responding to my question to you?Post #33
How much warfarin do you take to get to an inr of 2.5 to 3.5?
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I don't believe I was rude or disrespectful to you in my message to you in post #33 but you gave me an angry face
. Do you have any interest in responding to my question to you?Post #33
Yes, but if you look at the times table you showed, things like calculating the 'constant' were separated from the dosing chart. The spacing actually makes it a bit trickier (if not just trickier looking) than a chart with no spaces.
But it's probably not worth the time or effort to debate this.
But it's probably not worth the time or effort to debate this.
Hey, people, lets stay civil.
The moderator keeps this place from getting out of hand (unlike another, now defunct, valve replacement site that called open season for brutal strings of attack, response, attack again, etc. that I eventually just got the hell out of).
Yes, some of the people are poorly informed (and aggressively support their erroneous positions), but it does little good to call them out for their persistent mistakes and erroneous viewpoints.
I'll try to stay civil. It would be good if we all did.
The moderator keeps this place from getting out of hand (unlike another, now defunct, valve replacement site that called open season for brutal strings of attack, response, attack again, etc. that I eventually just got the hell out of).
Yes, some of the people are poorly informed (and aggressively support their erroneous positions), but it does little good to call them out for their persistent mistakes and erroneous viewpoints.
I'll try to stay civil. It would be good if we all did.
pellicle
Professional Dingbat, Guru and Merkintologist
agreed ... especially because you know that
- there is a range not a single specific number you need to be at (such as you must be 2.4)
- the measurements are rubbery (unlike dividing 12 by 3)
Which makes the 'constant' not a constant. The 'constant' is rubbery.
In my case, I don't rely on a spreadsheet to calculate my dosage - I use a spreadsheet to track my dosage and INR and make and record minor adjustments when necessary. I also realize that because INR is somewhat rubbery, I can't count on it being the same from week to week.
I don't need a formula to manage my INR -- no matter how slick it looks.
In my case, I don't rely on a spreadsheet to calculate my dosage - I use a spreadsheet to track my dosage and INR and make and record minor adjustments when necessary. I also realize that because INR is somewhat rubbery, I can't count on it being the same from week to week.
I don't need a formula to manage my INR -- no matter how slick it looks.
pellicle
Professional Dingbat, Guru and Merkintologist
good for you, with decades of experience under you belt this isn't aimed at you. I'm not sure why you're trying to prove "nobody needs it".
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I like this approach and, in fact, do the same thing with larger pills.
I take 11mg. One 10mg. Half of a 2mg. All of my warfarin tabs are scored and easy to split.
I never have to ask myself “do I start this week with the higher dose or the lower dose?”
Yes, I could get a script for 1mg pills easy (and have in the past) and not split pills. However, having this setup is more to my liking for jumping around. Keep in mind that at one point I was taking 14mg (10 + two of the 2mg)
I never said, or even implied, that nobody needs your formula.
To me, it just complicates things, especially since the constant is a historic one - you have to be taking warfarin for a while to determine what the constant is. For me, finding the dosage that worked was a bit of trial and error, but once I got to a dosage that 'sort of' worked for me, I was at a point where I could make minor adjustments and stay in range.
I suspect that for people new to anticoagulation, using your basic model may help them starting out (even without the constant) to approach their correct dosage, from which they can tune it somewhat finer.
But, again, I said it's a bit hard to read, and may be a bit much to follow, but I don't think I said to NOT use it.
(Yes, I've been self testing and self managing since 2009. Before that, I was careless and went a LONG time between tests. When I started testing, it was probably three years since the previous test. Stupid. Careless. I was taking a dose that was adequate for keeping me out of trouble, but I wouldn't do this again).
To me, it just complicates things, especially since the constant is a historic one - you have to be taking warfarin for a while to determine what the constant is. For me, finding the dosage that worked was a bit of trial and error, but once I got to a dosage that 'sort of' worked for me, I was at a point where I could make minor adjustments and stay in range.
I suspect that for people new to anticoagulation, using your basic model may help them starting out (even without the constant) to approach their correct dosage, from which they can tune it somewhat finer.
But, again, I said it's a bit hard to read, and may be a bit much to follow, but I don't think I said to NOT use it.
(Yes, I've been self testing and self managing since 2009. Before that, I was careless and went a LONG time between tests. When I started testing, it was probably three years since the previous test. Stupid. Careless. I was taking a dose that was adequate for keeping me out of trouble, but I wouldn't do this again).
Gail in Ca
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Hey, just because my dosage is managed by a Coumadin clinic doesn’t mean I don’t keep a record for myself. I get a handy INR results log book from Acelis connected health. I fill it in after each weekly test. If it’s out of range, I write in the comments section whether I’ve taken medication or otc items or if I’ve been sick. Since I used to manage myself for a few years, this info is still important for me to have.
pellicle
Professional Dingbat, Guru and Merkintologist
100%
CarolineMC - I don't understand the angry face.
CarolineMC - I still don't understand.
Another angry face is really no help at all.
Did you somehow think I was describing you in the post that got you so angry? Is THIS why you responded like you did?
Another angry face is really no help at all.
Did you somehow think I was describing you in the post that got you so angry? Is THIS why you responded like you did?
Superman
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You mean you weren’t?
There were a handful of people in the post that this description fit, but nobody came forward to claim that the shoe fit. CarolineMC just assumed that I was describing her.
I'll neither confirm nor deny if she was one of the people in the description. If any of the people who read this think it fits, it probably does.
I'll neither confirm nor deny if she was one of the people in the description. If any of the people who read this think it fits, it probably does.
All I was saying was that we should all be civil to each other.
I didn't think I was inviting any angry responses.
Whatever - we can try to be civil to everyone on this site.
I didn't think I was inviting any angry responses.
Whatever - we can try to be civil to everyone on this site.
suerose
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pellicle
Professional Dingbat, Guru and Merkintologist
Hi
its not the highest dose that I personally know about and certainly here you can read of much higher
The range that I know of of friends is between 17mg per day and 1.25mg per day.
Ultimately it doesn't matter what you take your INR is the only thing that matters.
Sadly I keep hearing so many stories that clarify to me that the nurses who do this are just under educated and unspecialised and probably under equipped with methods.
Best Wishes
its not the highest dose that I personally know about and certainly here you can read of much higher
The range that I know of of friends is between 17mg per day and 1.25mg per day.
Ultimately it doesn't matter what you take your INR is the only thing that matters.
Sadly I keep hearing so many stories that clarify to me that the nurses who do this are just under educated and unspecialised and probably under equipped with methods.
Best Wishes
For the record, I now take 13mg a day
I was at about 10mg prior to I taking larger amounts of Vitamin K each week.
I eat two huge salads at least twice a week now. These salads will include lots of greens, Avocados, etc. Large serving of Broccoli at least once a week. And probably one of the bigger hits is that I take two of these every day
I was at about 10mg prior to I taking larger amounts of Vitamin K each week.
I eat two huge salads at least twice a week now. These salads will include lots of greens, Avocados, etc. Large serving of Broccoli at least once a week. And probably one of the bigger hits is that I take two of these every day
Wow.
It's okay to take any of these things - even K1 - but you have to adjust your dose to accommodate for the K1 levels - and to keep consistent with the dosing. The greens may not be as much of an issue as the K1 that's taken.
It's okay to take any of these things - even K1 - but you have to adjust your dose to accommodate for the K1 levels - and to keep consistent with the dosing. The greens may not be as much of an issue as the K1 that's taken.
For a number of years when I was in my 30s - 50s I took +/- 10mg warfarin daily due to age, activity, and lifestyle......now in my late 80s my dose has gradually decreased to 6mg daily due to activity and lifestyle changes. It takes what it takes to keep INR in range to prevent clotting or bleeding issues.......and there is no standard dose.
FWIW I've known people taking significantly more than 12.5mg.
FWIW I've known people taking significantly more than 12.5mg.
