my observation from over this side of the Pacific is that they scatter like little squealing piglets when they face more than unarmed civilians ... much like the "heros" of our Eureka Stockade.
always is I'm afraid
There has always been and probably always be this desire amongst certain people. Currently it seems to occupy the fascist leaning right wing at least in the United States. I'm curious as to what they're so whipped up about to want a murder people? I mean I can understand being annoyed with the ultra left and their obsession with whether you said the right word or use the right gender term etc but I don't understand why that would upset you to the point of wanting to shoot your fellow citizens? Unless they view it as a attack on their culture or something but I don't think it will be forced on them. I'm not one to cry racism and being 52 I do understand growing up in a country that is mostly European American and seeing it change can be uncomfortable, we all have our tribes, that doesn't mean I hate others though. But the common thread I see amongst ardent Trump supporters, not the cynical ones who knew he's a buffoon but like the tax cuts for the rich, bit the hardcore is that they think that Trump is their last chance to keep the brown hordes our and the only saviour of western culture. They actually believe he cares about them and is their only hope. It's sad. They actually believe all that nonsense he says like the election was stolen, he's the smartest etc ....most are losers looking to blame someone for their situation. During the 2016 election then Trump was sure he would lose he said it was rigged, of course when he won he said it was fine, but he repeatedly gave speeches where he said the "2nd amendment people" could possibly fix Hillary's rigged presidency. This is where I've lost my Republican friends who say they don't particularly like him as a person but they like what he did better. I would like to think they would draw the line at a sitting president trying to overthrow an election and encouraging his mob to attack Congress, or a candidate floating the idea of his opponent getting assassinated.
I don't approve of looting on any side. There's a difference though when there's a protest in a city of millions of people which always has some bad actors, and some come out and take advantage of it. You can have a protest against processed cheese and if there were enough people in the right area at night there would be looting. There's a difference between that and violence on behalf of a political leader or movement. This is a false comparison. I don't recall any of those protesters carrying Joe Biden signs or committing violence on the behalf of Joe Biden. I also recall him saying that rioting and looting isn't protesting. There are repeated videos of him saying this but I guess it serves a political purpose to attribute those riots to him and equate them to Trump's mob attacking the very foundation of our government. Also a small percentage of people taking a protest and turning it into a criminal situation is different than a group of people, and whether you want to admit it or not there is a large percentage of them on the right, who want to violently overthrow the government. Like that dummy out here earlier saying he wants a civil war and he wants the shooting to start. I would also argue that not many people out here are saying they want others to die because they're unvaccinated but even if people think that there's a difference between people wanting their stupidity and selfishness to come back to them and wanting to actually go out and shoot people because they disagree with you politically. Hell how many months after the election I can walk my dog around the block and the one cracker has a Trump sign up that says "Trump 2024 the rules have changed". What does that mean? I don't see any Biden signs like that. I hate to break us to you because you seem pretty moderate and sane but the leader of your party is willing to burn the whole thing down to serve his own purpose and so many in the party are afraid to confront him for one reason and one reason only they will be primaried and they will probably lose because 75% of the party loves that *****. Don't believe me the FBI says that the major threat domestically is right-wing violence and white supremacists not protests. By the way I don't know if you've noticed but I don't see those riots in the street now. If they were happening under Biden and then Trump came in and they'd stopped he would be taking credit for it....
Again you seem reasonable but you're falling prey to a false equivalency. I hated seeing the rioting and looting but there's a difference between that and the president's followers chanting how they wanted to hang the vice president for doing his constitutional duty while invading Congress. Do you have any question what that mob of scumbags would have done if they got a hold of some of their "enemies"?
Well I don't think that's uniquely American. I mean I think when fascism comes to any country it's sold as patriotism. Maybe Trump's buffoonery is an American thing but I sort of recall Mussolini was right in there with him.
I'd beg to differ on the rationality part. Had a conversation today with a nice lady in an office where I collect a water sample It was telling me that her husband's work is now requiring vaccination. I could tell this wasn't welcome news and she went on to talk about a doctor who said covid hospitalizations are as high this year as this time last year when the vaccines weren't available yet. Taking this as her producing "evidence" of their ineffectiveness I explained to her that if you look at the states that are having high hospitalizations they are also the states with low vaccination. Like down in Mississippi and Alabama it's approximately 30% of adults who are fully vaccinated. In New Jersey it's around 70%, my wife works at a hospital in New Jersey and it is not remotely as bad as last year. I also went on to explain to her that this is a different virus than what we were dealing with last year, it is far more contagious and it is also deadlier. I also explained that in a state like New Jersey where 70% of adults are vaccinated and 30% aren't, if the vaccines weren't effective about 70% of the people right now in an ICU with covid would be vaccinated people and about 30% would be unvaccinated. However it's closer to 99% of those in hospital right now are unvaccinated. So The fact that more people are in the hospital than the same time last year in the United States, if that's true, is actually proof of how well the vaccines work. Last year we were all unvaccinated But this year a lot of us are. I would imagine that the percentage of people this year that are unvaccinated and infected is much higher than it was last year even though more closer to herd immunity. When you look at states, I would say generally more educated modern states, in the United States you will see that hospitalization rates are much higher in states with low vaccination so I don't understand how not getting vaccinated could be considered just as rational, let alone moral.
