Ross
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Here is your chance to make rules concerning the use of the forum. Please vote whether or not Politics and Religion should even be discussed in the forums.
Should Politics and Religion Be Discussed In The Forums?
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JimL
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I'm voting no, since we have many other avenues to talk about those things, but I don't at all think this rule should be strictly enforced.
A journalistic thought...
A journalistic thought...
If threads are going to be closed when they become controversial then the following statement needs fixing regarding SMALL TALK:
"Here is where you can say whatever you like whenever you want to say it."
Maybe it could read something like, "Here is where you can say whatever you like whenever you want to say it unless somebody gets pi$$ed off."
A journalistic thought...
If threads are going to be closed when they become controversial then the following statement needs fixing regarding SMALL TALK:
"Here is where you can say whatever you like whenever you want to say it."
Maybe it could read something like, "Here is where you can say whatever you like whenever you want to say it unless somebody gets pi$$ed off."
Ross
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This will give us a feel for how to proceed with these types of threads. The biggest question is and probably always will be, "Where do you draw the line?"JimL said:
That in itself can be argued for eternity.
Ross
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If things didn't show signs of deteriorating into something ugly, there wouldn't be a need too. When people get as heated as they are over the subject, it's bound to errupt into an all out assault on one another. The thread was discussed, comments posted, flames beginning, candidate's bashed, next comes the member bashing. Is that really what we want in here?ShezaGirlie said:If threads are going to be closed when they become controversial then the following statement needs fixing regarding SMALL TALK:
"Here is where you can say whatever you like whenever you want to say it."
Maybe it could read something like, "Here is where you can say whatever you like whenever you want to say it unless somebody gets pi$$ed off."
Haven't we better things to do then to continue beating a dead horse?
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PapaHappyStar
i meant to vote yes but voted no ( misread the question ). Agree you shouldnt censor topics, and disagree with this form of moderation, also on this forum there is a pre-selection of considerate, sympathetic, and open-minded people so its actually fun for me to read their opinions...
I said yes, simply because I figure, if I don't want to read something, I can simply skip that thread. That's what I've been doing. I read the first few posts on the "Four more years" thread, saw what it was going to be about, and figured there was no reason for me to continue returning to that thread. If people choose to go back to a thread that angers them, that is their own fault.
On the other hand, I don't like seeing that a thread about politics has gotten sixty-some-odd postings while others, about actual heart issues, are being virtually ignored. THAT does bother me. We're all here because we have one thing in common, our heart issues (or loved one's heart issues). That doesn't mean we're going to have anything else in common...
Just my two cents worth.
On the other hand, I don't like seeing that a thread about politics has gotten sixty-some-odd postings while others, about actual heart issues, are being virtually ignored. THAT does bother me. We're all here because we have one thing in common, our heart issues (or loved one's heart issues). That doesn't mean we're going to have anything else in common...
Just my two cents worth.
Ross
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Your vote has been changed to reflect your stance on the matter. As for the matter of censorship, this is exactly why I'm taking this poll. It is virtually impossible to please everyone. Many find these things very offensive and yet many also find that no matter what, they want to argue it. I wanted a fair opinion of those who make up this forum. Much like the Presidential Election, this vote is split also. I will respect whatever you as members want, but I wanted this to be fair as to what those wants are before going any farther with this.PapaHappyStar said:
Ross
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Niki these are exactly my feelings to the T. I can go about and ignore the thread altogether if it isn't something I wish to participate in. I think you perhaps have the remedy for the situation answered, but I like you, am terribly disturbed that the other important issues are going unanswered while this particular post is receiving all sorts of attention. That is not right and that is not what this forum is about.Gnusgal said:I said yes, simply because I figure, if I don't want to read something, I can simply skip that thread. That's what I've been doing. I read the first few posts on the "Four more years" thread, saw what it was going to be about, and figured there was no reason for me to continue returning to that thread. If people choose to go back to a thread that angers them, that is their own fault.
On the other hand, I don't like seeing that a thread about politics has gotten sixty-some-odd postings while others, about actual heart issues, are being virtually ignored. THAT does bother me. We're all here because we have one thing in common, our heart issues (or loved one's heart issues). That doesn't mean we're going to have anything else in common...
Just my two cents worth.
Now this may surprise you.....
Now this may surprise you.....
But I?m voting to leave the thread open. I?m also voting to not censor what people say. We?re all grownups here... we should be able to censor ourselves.
Sometimes there?s a price you have to pay to keep your freedoms..... I?m willing to put up with a few Bush bashers to keep my freedom of speech. I still have confidence that we?re a good enough people to suck it up, shut up and move on.... without a dictator.
Now this may surprise you.....
But I?m voting to leave the thread open. I?m also voting to not censor what people say. We?re all grownups here... we should be able to censor ourselves.
Sometimes there?s a price you have to pay to keep your freedoms..... I?m willing to put up with a few Bush bashers to keep my freedom of speech. I still have confidence that we?re a good enough people to suck it up, shut up and move on.... without a dictator.
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medtronic of borg
My vote
My vote
no to tenth power
Med
My vote
no to tenth power
Med
If we are to do so, it should be in a separate forum marked "Unrelated Argumentative Subjects" or similar that does not reflect on the valued parts of the site. We would not want to divert the attention, support, or value of the site for partisan chit-chat, no matter how temporarily stimulating.
BTW, Ross, my apologies. I didn't realize you were trying to close the thread earlier - I had forwarded myself something from home, finished it some hours later, then just posted it without looking. mea culpa.
I do tend to run afoul of my own belated postings that way. I sometimes find that a post that I have been writing on-and-off over time is no longer relevant by the time I polish it off and post it.
Best wishes.
BTW, Ross, my apologies. I didn't realize you were trying to close the thread earlier - I had forwarded myself something from home, finished it some hours later, then just posted it without looking. mea culpa.
I do tend to run afoul of my own belated postings that way. I sometimes find that a post that I have been writing on-and-off over time is no longer relevant by the time I polish it off and post it.
Best wishes.
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pegne
I do like that subject, Urelated Argumentative Subjects. Works for me.
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geebee
I think we all have a huge thing in common - we have all faced death and won the battle. I like to think we are all pretty thick skinned. I decided to stop reading the "four more years" thread when I got too "whatever" to continue just like people can change the TV channel if they do not like what is on.
I have found this website to be very helpful and I think being able to vent - NO MATTER WHAT THE TOPIC - is one of the reasons I like being here so much.
The election and its topics have been and still are very emotional. I truly believe the overwhelming majority of the folks posting on that thread were polite when expressing their views.
I think these threads should continue to be allowed.
Smiles,
Gina
I have found this website to be very helpful and I think being able to vent - NO MATTER WHAT THE TOPIC - is one of the reasons I like being here so much.
The election and its topics have been and still are very emotional. I truly believe the overwhelming majority of the folks posting on that thread were polite when expressing their views.
I think these threads should continue to be allowed.
Smiles,
Gina
Marty
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HOORAY FOR THE HEARTLAND..... oops! there I said it!
Johnny Stephens
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I have to say, I've been coming here less often because of the rancor around non-valvular issues. That is really hard for me to admit, but given the tone of some private emails I got last time I participated in a "controversial" thread, I find I just don't feel as willing to dive in.
I get stressed out just reading the mechanical vs. tissue debates!
Some great person somewhere allegedly said at some point (paraphrasing) "I may not agree with what you say, but I'll defend to the death your right to say it." (Voltaire?)
I like the idea of a specific forum along the lines of "Politics and Religion." I can almost guarantee I'd never even click on it.
I get stressed out just reading the mechanical vs. tissue debates!
Some great person somewhere allegedly said at some point (paraphrasing) "I may not agree with what you say, but I'll defend to the death your right to say it." (Voltaire?)
I like the idea of a specific forum along the lines of "Politics and Religion." I can almost guarantee I'd never even click on it.
I would rather it not be discussed ...unless it is a thread designated for that purpose. I'm not put off by it but I'm afraid newcomers might check in and be needing information about serious heart issues and not stick around long enough to find the wealth of information to be had here.
I'm very comfortable with having people in disagreement with me and I don't feel compelled to change them so my vote isn't about me but what may be best for the board. So whatever decision is made so be it.
I'm very comfortable with having people in disagreement with me and I don't feel compelled to change them so my vote isn't about me but what may be best for the board. So whatever decision is made so be it.
As I said in another post...............
Political discourse tends to toughen and thicken our skins. I prefer to have a thin skin in here (maybe its the Coumadin). So while I am passionate about many issues, and I voice them vehemently in other arenas, I will simply give everyone in here a quiet but very large cyber hug.
To me its not about four more years. Its about many more years than that. But it's also about taking one day at a time. Step by step. Click by click.
Political discourse tends to toughen and thicken our skins. I prefer to have a thin skin in here (maybe its the Coumadin
). So while I am passionate about many issues, and I voice them vehemently in other arenas, I will simply give everyone in here a quiet but very large cyber hug. To me its not about four more years. Its about many more years than that. But it's also about taking one day at a time. Step by step. Click by click.
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MichyB
Since it might have been my post which fueled such controversy, I would like to respond. As medical consumers, I was actually really interested in what people here had to say about the election. One would think that such a life-affecting common bond as heart disease could tend to produce similar views but apparently, not so much! I did not mean to offend and was not offended by what anyone said. I did not agree with a lot of it, but that's my right, as it is the right of those who disagree with me to post otherwise.
As for religion, I generally do not like talking about religion as this is a very private subject for me. However, when you are talking about serious illness, I think perhaps people need to talk about religion so while I might not enjoy religious talk, it would be inappropriate to limit someone else's desire to speak about that if they need or want to.
I'm sure the politics and/or religion thread will eventually wear down and people will return to that which we do share in common. There were, however, many people who were very upset about the election (not as many as I thought obviously), either separate from but perhaps in conjunction with their medical condition, and perhaps they, too, needed to vent.
So, in the spirit of whatever floats your boat, I suggest we keep the topics open but also suggest we try to move back to what ties us together.
My apologies if what I said stirred this. I suspect, though, that it is what most of us were thinking about that day.
As for religion, I generally do not like talking about religion as this is a very private subject for me. However, when you are talking about serious illness, I think perhaps people need to talk about religion so while I might not enjoy religious talk, it would be inappropriate to limit someone else's desire to speak about that if they need or want to.
I'm sure the politics and/or religion thread will eventually wear down and people will return to that which we do share in common. There were, however, many people who were very upset about the election (not as many as I thought obviously), either separate from but perhaps in conjunction with their medical condition, and perhaps they, too, needed to vent.
So, in the spirit of whatever floats your boat, I suggest we keep the topics open but also suggest we try to move back to what ties us together.
My apologies if what I said stirred this. I suspect, though, that it is what most of us were thinking about that day.
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Karlynn
I voted "no". I was fine with the thread for most of the time. I don't have a problem reading what people don't like about a candidate nor voicing concerns. I dropped out when it began to turn into making broad assumptions about the people on our site who happened to believe differently. I was really proud of the people on our site because I think it remained controlled for quite a while, then it got nasty.
Bottom line is that, true, we don't have to read a thread. But a lot of people do and whether you personally read it or not, if someone else does, it changes the tenor of our entire group of Forums. I can get stress in a dozen other places. This group seems to be one of my few sanctuaries.
Bottom line is that, true, we don't have to read a thread. But a lot of people do and whether you personally read it or not, if someone else does, it changes the tenor of our entire group of Forums. I can get stress in a dozen other places. This group seems to be one of my few sanctuaries.
