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rareed

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Hi all,
I have a bicuspid aortic valve, which was discovered when I was 19. When I was 19 I had open heart surgery to remove a thoracic aortic aneurysm. They did not do any kind of surgery to my bav nor did they replace it. The surgeon said that my valve will fail one day but probably not until I am 50 or 60. I am now 22 and had my last echo about a year ago, and my cardiologist said everything looked fine. Recently I have been extremely fatigued, like naps everyday even with 9 hours of sleep each night. I also have been getting chest pains, just short stabbing pains that only last a few seconds. These pains have been off and on only for the last few days. I am wondering how quickly can a bav fail? I know I need to go back for another echo as they recommended them yearly, but I have just moved to the Kansas City area and am in the process of looking for a new cardiologist.
 
That does sound quite fast, but I'd get it checked out, also fast. Whether or not it's your BAV, it sounds like it's worth checking out right away. Also, given your history, you're probably one of the BAVers with the more generalized connective tissue disorder, which may be causing another aneurism or something else. Check 'er out!
 
If I were in your shoes, I would have more tests done immediately. A lot depends on the amount of calcification that has occured due to your bav. Have you experienced any other symptoms through increased activity - i.e. dizziness? You may want to do a stress test, if you haven't already. Find out the diameter of the opening of your aortic valve. Mine was 6mm, which roughly equates to a size of a dime inside of a 50 cent piece or little bigger (not exact measurements). Do your best to find a cardiologist in your new area and let them give you the proper diagnosis. The sooner the better. Good luck, Rareed.

SB42
 
I haven't noticed any other symptoms with increased activity, such as dizziness. I work out 3-4 times a week and haven't felt dizzy afterwards. My heart rate while working out is usually 160-170ish. I will find a new cardiologist ASAP.

Thanks!
 
I am in KC and use St. Lukes Hospital. Cardiologist is Gutovitz, recommended to me by my GP. Make sure you get your records sent first, they need to see how things have changed to best judge your current situation.
 
rareed,
There may be many causes for the fatigue, other than your heart and BAV. I don't remember the statistics in detail, but when I was diagnosed with a BAV (at about age 52) I was told that a small percentage of the general population have BAV (something like 5%), and that only a small percentage of those people (again, something like 5%) ever need that valve replaced. This means that even though you have been diagnosed as having a bicuspid valve, you may do just fine with it for your whole life span. So, get things checked out. You may have some other issue causing the fatigue - something that can more easily be dealt with. You could also have issues with the valve, so do get it checked out asap.
 
Tom,

Thanks for the suggestion. I was thinking about St. Luke's and will probably wind up going there.
 
Tom,

Thanks for the suggestion. I was thinking about St. Luke's and will probably wind up going there.

If you haven't, you might want to go to their (or where ever you end up going) Cardiologists that specialize in Adults with CHD (Congenital Heart Defects) since you had your first surgery in your teens.
 
I'd get it checked out if i where you!!
My aortic valve changed rapidly in 6 weeks!! Went from being normal and working fine, to severly damaged, had a hole in and covered with clots!
So with my experice get it checked as it can change!
Good luck & keep us posted,
Love Sarah xxxxx
 
Thanks for all the replies everyone! I am going to my doctor Monday to get it checked out. The past two days my arms and arms have started aching pretty badly. Anyways, sarah_louise, did you have any noticeable symptoms when it went bad?
 
Hi Rareed,

I have the same condition as you (BAV) and call Kansas City home. My inclination is to switch to St. Lukes as well; I just need to check my insurance coverage.

I am curious about the short stabbing pains you reported -- How long do they last? Periodically, I have a single pain in my heart and it feels like I can't breathe a full breath. It is like my air gets stuck? So far, none of my physicians seems too concerned but when I saw your post, it seemed important to ask you.

I hope you have a good appointment tomorrow. Who knows, maybe I will see you at cardiac rehab someday!

AmyBL
 
The stabbing pains only lasted maybe a few seconds. They were only there for a couple of days. Now when I have chest pain it feels more like there is a weight on my chest.
 
Thanks for all the replies everyone! I am going to my doctor Monday to get it checked out. The past two days my arms and arms have started aching pretty badly. Anyways, sarah_louise, did you have any noticeable symptoms when it went bad?

Hey, In march i had clots in my right leg ended up needing an emergancy op to remove them, went to my heart docs decided they wanted a T.O.E i went in they done it said my heart was working fine, valve was great and no clots on my heart, chances of it happening again less than 1%, 6 weeks later was diagnosed with having a LRTI (Lower respritary tract infection) that was on the friday by the monday i was getting rushed into theatre for yet another emergnacy op to remove even more clots from my legs, (each time i came very close to loosing my legs-was told minutes more and i'd have lost them) came round from that, had bloods done results where really bad not one of them was in normal range, they said this was down to either 2 things: the op i'd just had or there were clots in my chest, was blue lighted through to my heart hospital from local hospital on the wednesday and was informed my aortic valve was severly damaged and throwing off clots and only way it would be resolved would be emergancy OHS on the Friday!! (good job i was in bed lmao cause if i was standing i'd have fell down!!!) had the op on the friday came round after days of lots of problems (unable to see, loss of sensation, loss of balance ,twitching ect ect) i was sent for a CT scan on my brain which showed "abnormalaties" sent for an MRI and i'd had several strokes!!
All that from a dodgy heart valve!! which 6 weeks previous was fine and working well!
My symptoms of the "LRTI" where really bad cough, sometimes unable to breath/catch my breath, tight chest, tiredness can't think of the others lol, But i never did find out if i had the LRTI because my doc said it was more likely the valve throwing the clots off which caused the symptoms, but i guess i'll never no....
How did you get on today??
Love Sarah xxxxxx
 
Well I just went to a GP last night for my appointment. He did an ekg and said my heart rate and pulse were slow. Give it my symptoms and the fact that my ekg was abnormal enough he suggested I go to the ER since I don't have a cardiologist out here in KC yet. I didn't go last night but am planning on going tonight. Hoping its just a waste of four hours of my life!
 
New to the city/Country

New to the city/Country

Hello All,

I am so glad to find this forum. My husband, Rajesh(32) needs a Aortic valve replacement surgery. We are quite new to this city/country and thus looking up to you all for help in finding the right surgeon. I may not be posting this in the right thread, but i would be happy to repost it if you can direct me to the applicable thread.

Rajesh has a Bicuspid Aortic valve (the docs found that when he was a year old) We have been doing Echo and other tests regularly like suggested by the doctors. Until 2010, the doctors did not talk about surgery and said that his heart is perfectly fine. However, when we went for the regular check ups in NOv, 2011, the doctors are strongly recommending a surgery within 6 months. I do not understand what went wrong in just one year that the gradient went up like 30 units! Quite scary. Although, he does not have any symptoms as of now. Now, we are planning to get the surgery done by March, 2012 and are keenly working on finding the right surgeon.

We live in Houston, Texas and as far we have researched, St. Lukes is the best hospital for such a surgery (Right?) Can you please suggest best surgeons in Houston, Texas? We are so fortunate to have Texas Medical Center right next to us. But, we are not able to figure out a way to narrow into one Hospital, one surgeon. Is there a reliable comparison database that I can look at?Is it true that we cannot consult with different surgeons working in the same hospital? My husband fears that there will be internal communication and it does not "look good" if we consult with a different surgeon belonging to the same hospital as of the previous one.

My husband is just 31 and I am worried if he will have to undergo another sugery after 25 years. Do you have data points supporting this?

The thought of dealing with Insurance People itself is scary. Any suggestions, precautions that we should keep in mind?
I would truly appreciate any and all suggestions from you. This forum has helped so many people like us and looking forward to hearing from you all.

Vidhya
 
Vidhya,

It is okay to get a second opinion, you will not hurt anyone's feelings. As far as "best hospital', it all depends on the type of external rating system, etc is used. I personally would not get wrapped up in that. I had my bicuspid aortic valve replaced at the Virginia Hospital Center (Arlington, VA)...I don't know where they rank, but my surgeon, Dr. John Garrett, is very well trained and I had the best experience, now 2 weeks post-op and experiencing very little pain. Modern medicine is truly on our side and your husband will do great. In my opinion, the best thing that I could have done was all the research I did to calm my anxiieties and keep a positive attitude. Fear is a valid feeling and should be expressed, but have your husband do his best to control his feelings and focus on the positive aspects and realize that there are many people out there, especially children that will go through far more worse. This procedure is more and more common and pretty routine for cardiovascular surgeons. Remember, they take pride in what they do and have their patient's best interest in mind. Here is a document that I put together and sent to family and friends prior to my surgery...hope it helps...

Wednesday, January 18, 2012 – 12:01 am

Good morning family & friends,

I know this will catch some of you off guard, but I wanted to let you all know that I am going in for open heart surgery (OHS) this morning to have my aortic valve replaced – 6:30 am arrival & 8:00 am kick-off. I understand that this may be a bit lengthy and in some cases, too much information, so please read at your own pace. Before you respond and/or blow up Emily’s phone, please keep reading as I will do my best to explain and answer many of your initial questions. I was diagnosed with a heart murmur during the first half of 2011 – nothing too alarming, people live with them their entire life. I was instructed to monitor the murmur for symptoms (shortness of breath, dizziness, etc.), which would be a strong indicator of Aortic Stenosis where the aortic valve becomes partially/fully obstructed due to calcification, etc. At my age, this is most likely due to a bicuspid aortic valve (an aortic valve that only has two leaflets, instead of three) which is a congenital (birth) condition that unfortunately isn’t always detected until action is needed. Well, I started experiencing the “symptoms” but really wanted to assign them to my working out again. However, I put my male pride aside and communicated honestly with my doctors. After further tests, it was highly recommended that I have Aortic Valve Replacement (AVR), which really translates to OHS. Having a young family, the thought of having my chest, graphically speaking, cracked and spread with my heart exposed and stopped, literally brought me to my knees in tears – one of the worst fears I have ever experienced...and to learn this right before Thanksgiving & Christmas was extremely difficult. My anxieties skyrocketed; stress poured in and my thoughts ran wild as I did my best to maintain composure if front of my family so I would not disrupt their daily routine – unfortunately I am not perfect and after “self-assessment” [thanks Larry M and Jim T], I was not always able to do so – my apologies to my wife, Emily. I immediately needed to regain control of my thoughts/feelings. One of my first calls was to a great friend, Dr. Timothy Trainor, who is carving his path as a renowned orthopedic surgeon. Without hesitation, he said (as a friend, not as a doctor),” you need to have this surgery so you can be around for your kids.” After hearing that from such a trustworthy childhood friend, many of my anxieties immediately vanished and my confidence level vastly increased. Another noteworthy conversation was with my Pastor, Tom Berlin (Floris UMC – www.florisumc.org). The best piece of advice that I took from our conversation, as it related to my many sleepless nights, was to simply close my eyes and repeat “Dear Almighty Lord, please have mercy on me.” Well it certainly worked and I was able to regain my rest. I was also able to use my father-in-law (albeit only a week and a half before my surgery), who (as many of you know) is a world renowned orthopedic surgeon, as a trusted resource/sounding board to let him know what I was facing.
My next approach was to do my best at becoming an AVR Subject Matter Expert and the internet truly allowed me to do this. Countless hours of on line research continued to help me bring my anxiety levels down. I have discovered that this procedure is relatively common, especially at the age levels younger than 60+, where AVR is mostly associated with. I have always been fascinated with modern medicine, so I even took it a step further and actually found (and watched) an on line video of the actual surgery that I am having. It actually dates back 6 years, so I can only imagine the improvements since. If you have the heart (pun intended), you can view the surgery by clicking on the following link: http://video.google.com/videoplay?docid=-6218906821548692571#. Don’t worry, they do NOT show the rib cage being cracked / sawed or spread. However, it does show the initial incision. Here you have a surgeon (Dr. Ott - http://texheartsurgeons.com/Dottbio.htm) actually doing a question and answer session as he is in the middle of this, what I would call, complex surgery. From a surgeon’s perspective, in my humble opinion, it is probably equivalent to most of you and me walking and chewing gum at the same time - LOL. Except for “Big” Ben W. (not to be confused with the Steelers QB) who is a “financial” surgeon / wizard in his own right (sorry, inside joke) that to my joy I have found out that he is a very active and dedicated Christian (like many of you, that I know personally, included on this email) – all 6’8” of him.
I DO believe that God has been with me through this entire ordeal by providing loud and clear messages. First, as it relates to the video mentioned above. With the vast amount of videos that I could have clicked on over the internet, I was able to connect the video that I chose to me. The Surgeon-in-Chief and world renowned pioneer in cardiovascular surgery that was providing the lead commentary on the video, Dr. Cooley (http://www.texasheart.org/AboutUs/ProfStaff/cardiova.cfm#cooley) from the Texas Heart Institute, actually trained my surgeon – Dr. John Garrett (Chairman of the Board at Virginia Hospital Center - Arlington). Second, I found a great on line forum (http://www.valvereplacement.org/forums/) that provides a great resource to answer many of your questions from those that have been or are going through AVR. One of my first posts got me connected with an individual that is younger than me (with a young family) and had just gone through the surgery mid-December. It just so happens that he lives 1.5 miles from me and I was able to visit him over the New Year’s holiday. The visit was a true inspiration that encouraged additional motivation. I personally do not feel that these incidences are just pure luck, but I will leave them up to your own interpretations/believes.
Most recently, I had a cardiac catheterization (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Cardiac_catheterization) to make sure that I didn’t have any other potential issues with any of my arteries that will not show up on standard x-rays. Thankfully the results determined that no other procedures were needed to be performed, just your typical OHS AVR. A special thanks goes out to Heather & Peter Young, without knowing the reason until now or asking a single question as to why, Heather made the 5:00 am trek to our house so Emily could drop me off in Arlington and get home in time so that we did not have to drag Brianna (6), McKenzie (turns 4 on 02/04) and Luca (16 mo.) out in the cold and disrupt their morning / school routine.
The most challenging decision that I had to make was the selection of valve replacement – mechanical vs. tissue. Both pose their own risks, but I decided on the tissue valve (bovine) because I did not want to have to be on Coumadin (i.e. blood thinners) for the rest of my life and I didn’t want to potentially have to hear the “clicking” sound of a mechanical valve . The greatest associated risk with tissue valves is that they will eventually wear out and will require another OHS (typically 7 – 15 years). By then, I am confident that the constant advancement of the medical industry will make the second go around a breeze with a product that will provide even more longevity.
I understand that some of you may not understand why Emily and I did not share this sooner. As much as we (Emily more so) wanted to communicate this more openly, it was MY decision, that I believe you will understand and respect during this difficult situation/decision making process, to keep it as low key as possible because I quite frankly did not want to have to keep addressing it outside of my own fears and anxieties, which are the true constant reminders. I do ask for you to say a simple prayer on my behalf - “Dear God, please have mercy on Scott.” (Compliments of my conversation with Pastor Tom Berlin)  Thank you!
Moving forward, I have two very important “asks” for each of you... (1) Over the next few days, please do not discuss with Emily if Brianna and/or McKenzie are present. We have been very open with them and have simply explained that daddy has a serious boo-boo and will have to go to the hospital so that the doctors can and will fix it. (2) As great as the internet has been as a resource to help me understand this, I do kindly ask - out of respect for this difficult and private situation that I have shared - that you do NOT post anything via the social networks (Facebook; Twitter; etc.). Please send any comments / questions via email first to [email protected] or call me (703.300.1290) or Emily (703.927.7109) directly. Emily will send out another email with an update as soon as she is able to do so – so it would be greatly appreciated if you could hold off contacting her until then (early afternoon) because she will be busy keeping our children’s minds entertained. Emily and I also ask that you refrain from initiating text messages – we WILL maintain an open channel of communication with everyone!
Now the good news...I should be up and walking, on a limited basis, starting tomorrow – yes, the day after OHS – cool! I will be looking to walk 1 – 2 miles a day one or two weeks from now and mostly back on my feet – which means email access and stealing time on Brianna’s & McKenzie’s iTouch (haha). The biggest challenge I should face is raising my arms from my waist and above. So it is probably a blessing in disguise that the Steelers are no longer in the playoffs. If all continues to go well, I will be back up and very mobile in just a couple of weeks with an aggressive goal to be mostly recovered, if not fully recovered in 8 – 12 weeks while regaining a rigorous and active lifestyle throughout 2012. Modern science is truly amazing through the gifts that God has given these talented surgeons, nurses and all other medical professionals!! Now bring it on, Dr. Garrett! (Insert chest bump, before the incision that is)  Cheers!
In closing, my intention is not to make this a huge ordeal or for anyone to feel sorry for me and my family. I do understand that some of you may have, directly or indirectly, experienced much worse than what I have described and I am sincerely sorry for that. Yes, OHS is a serious operation that I have let myself put selfish pity on me – I do deserve a little slack, right?! Keeping it in respectful perspective, I will pray for those (as I genuinely ask you to do the same), especially young children, which are in a much more difficult situation that I currently face...many that unfortunately do not have a fighting chance or will never know what it is to lead a normal, never mind “rigorous” and “active”, lifestyle...oh, and one more thing, please take a minute to get away from your “busy” and reflect on the fortunes (not money or “things”) that you do have. Now, please go and MAKE it a great day for yourself AND someone else!
PS. Feel free to share this email with others that you are close with...keep in mind that there may be unintentional duplication as everyone has been BCC on this message to prevent the accidental “reply all.” 
Blessings to you,
Scott Boccia
OHS / Bicuspid AVR – 18 JAN 2012 – 8:00 am kickoff (subject to change and blackout in local markets) – I will have pictures to share if anyone is interested 
State-of-the-art Virginia Hospital Center – www.virginiahospitalcenter.com
Dr. John Garrett - http://www.virginiahospitalcenter.com/aboutus/vhc/executive/bio_a.aspx)
 
Shoot. I was hoping you would have more information, for your sake. Sometimes the hardest part of all this, is the darn waiting in-between appointments. I had a "bad" ekg on December 6th, and it was over a month before I learned why. This included being refered to a cardiologist, getting an appointment, having the initial appointment, having another bad ekg, setting up the next round of tests and then scheduling the visit to learn what the tests meant! Of course the overall good part is that i was not immediately rushed into surgery, so i am grateful for that.
I tend to worry so I signed up for a heart awareness/prevention program. It is quite a bit like cardiac rehab, just without a significant heart event yet. It is helpful to learn the symptoms to be aware of and ways to exercise that are safe and effective.
 
Hmmm. I said more, where did it go? Anyway, the nurse in cardiac rehab suggested Dr. Magalski as an excellent cardiologist. She has worked in the field a long time (20+ years) so I feel confident she has a good grasp on the issues.
Well, good luck Rareed. Hopefully 4 uneventful hours.
AmyBL
 
Hello All,

I am so glad to find this forum. My husband, Rajesh(32) needs a Aortic valve replacement surgery. We are quite new to this city/country and thus looking up to you all for help in finding the right surgeon. I may not be posting this in the right thread, but i would be happy to repost it if you can direct me to the applicable thread.

Rajesh has a Bicuspid Aortic valve (the docs found that when he was a year old) We have been doing Echo and other tests regularly like suggested by the doctors. Until 2010, the doctors did not talk about surgery and said that his heart is perfectly fine. However, when we went for the regular check ups in NOv, 2011, the doctors are strongly recommending a surgery within 6 months. I do not understand what went wrong in just one year that the gradient went up like 30 units! Quite scary. Although, he does not have any symptoms as of now. Now, we are planning to get the surgery done by March, 2012 and are keenly working on finding the right surgeon.

We live in Houston, Texas and as far we have researched, St. Lukes is the best hospital for such a surgery (Right?) Can you please suggest best surgeons in Houston, Texas? We are so fortunate to have Texas Medical Center right next to us. But, we are not able to figure out a way to narrow into one Hospital, one surgeon. Is there a reliable comparison database that I can look at?Is it true that we cannot consult with different surgeons working in the same hospital? My husband fears that there will be internal communication and it does not "look good" if we consult with a different surgeon belonging to the same hospital as of the previous one.

My husband is just 31 and I am worried if he will have to undergo another sugery after 25 years. Do you have data points supporting this?

The thought of dealing with Insurance People itself is scary. Any suggestions, precautions that we should keep in mind?
I would truly appreciate any and all suggestions from you. This forum has helped so many people like us and looking forward to hearing from you all.

Vidhya

Vidhya, I'd start a new thread with this same text, but in Pre-Surgery or Valve Selection.

The only part of your post that I can add to is Your "My husband is just 31 and I am worried if he will have to undergo another sugery after 25 years. Do you have data points supporting this?"

There IS a lot of data on valve longevity, and we're having a lively to-and-fro on the subject in the Valve Selection area of the Forum. Mechanical valves last a very long time, but mech-valve patients sometimes do need re-ops, and sometimes to replace the valve. They also need constant anti-coagulation therapy (ACT), usu with Warfarin=~Coumadin.

Tissue valves (usu pig or cow) do NOT last forever, and last LESS long in younger patients like Your husband. The avg numbers are improving, but I don't think 25 years is a reasonable hope at 31. 15 would be good and 10 might not be surprising. There still is no perfect choice, esp for patients younger than ~70.
 
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