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KWRice

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Sorry, I didn't mean it that way we just didn't realize it was on his "avoid" list until the damage was done. I completely agree however we are trying to stick to "the list" until we get him regulated. His INR has been off since his surgery so I guess when we can keep him on track we will know how to adjust accordingly. I had hoped we would be on track by now but not quite. It has gotten much better, we have not seen 11 again and hope not too.
 
Sorry, I didn't mean it that way we just didn't realize it was on his "avoid" list until the damage was done. I completely agree however we are trying to stick to "the list" until we get him regulated. His INR has been off since his surgery so I guess when we can keep him on track we will know how to adjust accordingly. I had hoped we would be on track by now but not quite. It has gotten much better, we have not seen 11 again and hope not too.

That's the thing, you get him on regulated by following the list, then introduce the the foods you've been avoiding and your right back where you started from. You will then find yourself on the famous roller coaster ride.
 
Hey, it's very nice to read your story, even though I only know a small piece it seems you and I will be able to relate a little bit. My boyfriend is Kenny and he is 27 years old and has also had 2 AVR's. With the 1st one he had a tissue valve and was only taking asprin however he suffered a stroke that led to a 2nd AVR and now has a mechanical valve and is on Warafrin. He too has had issues trying to get his INR on track, he has been as low as 1 and as high as 11! His 2nd OHS was done on Feb 10th, 2010 and his Dr's have told us several times that it takes a while to get your INR on track so we just have to keep a close eye on it, he too has had the dose changed several times so please don't worry about that part of it. Be cautious of grapefruit! I LOVE grapefruit juice and he cannot have it due to his meds and forgetting he was not supposed to have it drank some one day and it threw his INR # off quite a bit so please follow the items they told you to avoid! I really hope you get on track soon. What caused your initial surgery and why did you have to have a 2nd one? It's really hard to find people in our age group that have been through this so I hope you don't feel I am asking too many questions I am just doing a lot of research and trying to raise awareness.
Thanks
Stephanie

Stephanie can you post what all he's taking now, how often he's tested, how often they change the dose, what his last INR was and on what dose? Tell me everything you can. It sounds like another classic case of clueless management. It should take no more then 2 months to get someone stable.
 
That's the thing, you get him on regulated by following the list, then introduce the the foods you've been avoiding and your right back where you started from. You will then find yourself on the famous roller coaster ride.

Freddie is dead right! Let him eat as he always has. Don't change a thing or your setting yourselves up for an endless yo yo effect. Throw the avoid list out the window!
 
Ross, I will post this for you tomorrow, I don't have the list with me of the meds he is currently on and they just changed some of them yesterday! I can tell you that his dose of Warfrin changes, he takes 1 and 1/2 pills Mon, Wed, and Fri and a different dose the other days! We literally have to write it all down as it is constantly changing! It is poorly managed as his Dr's are 2 hours away and our local hospital can do the test however they have to draw blood and fax the results to Richmond and they are later called in to us. This is how he got to 11 at one point, it takes us DAYS to get anything! They were supposed to have a machine sent to him where he could do the test at home and have instant results from a finger prick, this is how it's done at his Dr's office, however that was well over 6 weeks ago and we have not seen it yet. We are following all guidelines to a T because he has been through so much and he is now having mini strokes so we do not want to do anything that may cause another major stroke. We are besically despirate for answers at this point! He has an apt in Richmond with his Dr tomorrow, I PRAY for good news.
 
Stephanie, I would consider changing docs if his situation is not being handled well. I am sorry to hear he is having major problems. Have you considered driving down to Duke? I see you are not far from there. It doesn't sound like his situation is one you can mess around with.
 
Get on the phone and demand to know where that machine is. Make it known loud and long that his situation is critical and that machine is a MUST HAVE NOW item. No wonder he's all over the place. You need those results as soon as the test is run in order to make any accurate dose adjustments. Anything later then the same day is useless information.

When you can, post everything you can think of about his doses, diet, excercise, other meds etc. We can get him straightened out unless he's got some sort of blood disorder.
 
We can't go to Duke because he does not have insurance for there and there is NO WAY we can afford to pay ot out of pocket, honestly, unless we went in through the ER I don't know if they would even see him there. With his history and no INS they would probably transport him back to MCV. Our biggest downfall is livin in this little town with such poor health care here. This hospital here has NO IDEA what they are doing, they are not equipped to handle a situation like his. I'm so scared and I can't let him see that, you guys are the only people I know to turn too!
 
Your going to hear a lot that most likely will be contradictory to what your doctor is telling you. You'll probably have mixed emotions on that, but trust the fact that us self dosers understand this drug better then most doctors do. I am not a doctor, so feel free to discard whatever I say, but also know that we've brought more people into range, in this forum, when their doctors couldn't. I'm pretty proud of that.
 
Ross, I completely understand, that is why I am here! Don't get me wring, the Dr's saved his life and I have no doubt that they know what they are doing but I believe someone that has been there and done that is sometimes better that the Dr! I don't know what to do anymore it seems everytime we are headed in the right direction we get slapped in the face and sent backwards. Here is a little history for you until I get the Med info tonight, he had his 1st OHS 5.8.09 due to Bacterial Endocarditious, his AVR was replaced with a human valve and the root was also replaced. He suffered a major Ischemic Stroke on 1.16.10, we do not know 100% what caused that! It has been narrowed down to a blood clot OR a vegatative growth from the heart that may have broken off, we don't know. While in the hospital recovering from the stroke they discovered that he had an aneurysim on his heart as well as a leak in the aortic valve so they went back in on 2.10.10 and he had a fungus on the valve that had caused the leak so the human valve was replaced with a mechanical valve hince the reason he is now on Warafrin but was not previously. So as far as his excerise and lifestyle, well, there isn't much of one due to the stroke. He was left paralized on his right side due to the stroke but with physical therapy he can walk now with a cane and he has very little movement in the arm, not really anything other than he can life it alightly at the shoulder, no lower arm, hand, or finger movement at all. So he cannot get out and walk or do any exercise really. He does have physical, speech, and occupational therapy twice a week but other than that just gettin around the house is a challenge and very tiring. Tues and Wed of this week he complained that he temporarily lost his vision, this is a sign of a mini stroke so off to MCV he goes tomorrow to be checked out for that! This is why they changed his meds just yesterday, they increased the Warafrin just in case he is having mini strokes to try to help avoid another major stroke that I fear his body and heart would not be able to handle at this time. Please let me know if you want any additonal information or if I left anything out, his story is far more than a mouth full.

Thanks again, you all are the best and I appreciate EVERYTHING!!!
 
I got all that soaked in, we just need to figure out where his INR really is and what they are doing so terribly wrong with his dosing. At this point, it's better for him to be too high then too low. We'll see whats what when you have the time to post it all.
 
GRAPEFRUIT JUICE AND DRUG INTERACTIONS

Huyen-Vi Khong, Pharm. D. Candidate

This is a research paper written while on a clinical rotation in an anticoagulation clinic as student at the University of Colorado School of Pharmacy.
Please note that most of these interactions do not involve warfarin. However, this paper was well researched and many of the readers of warfarinfo.com also take these other medications, so I thought it was important enough to include it on this website.

Grapefruit juice has been found to interact with many different
medicines that are often used by senior patients. Grapefruit juice contains
a substance (not well determined) that seems to be responsible for the drug
interactions. Orange juice, on the other hand, shows no such drug
interactions when it is taken with medicines. Therefore, orange juice is highly
recommended for the same basic nutrients. Approximately 1 glass of grapefruit
juice 3 times daily for 2-3 days is enough to produce significant drug toxicity. However, eating one grapefruit daily probably does not furnish enough of the interacting ingredient to cause a major problem. Grapefruit juice and its drug interactions can cause serious potential health problems with these medications:

Calcium Channel Blockers (CCB) for high blood pressure and heart rhythm:
• Felodipine (Plendil)
• Nifedipine (Adalat, Procardia)
• Nimodipine (Nimotop)
• Nisoldipine (Sular)
• Nitrendipine (Baypress)
• Verapamil (Calan)
Grapefruit juice with these can cause dangerously low blood pressure, very slow heart rate, irregular heart rate, fluid retention, chest pain (unstable angina), heart attack, or death.
Lipid -Lowering agents for high cholesterol:
• Astorvastatin (Lipitor)
• Lovastatin (Mevacor)
• Pravastatin (Pravachol)
• Simvastatin (Zocor)
Grapefruit juice with these can cause a severe muscle breakdown called rhabdomyolysis. This can be a fatal condition.
Benzodiazepines for sleep or anxiety:
• Diazepam (Valium)
• Triazolam (Halcion)
• Midazolam (Versed)
Grapefruit juice with these can cause confusion, shortness of breath, slurred speech, poor coordination, or coma.
Immunosuppresant agents for organ transplants:
• Cyclosporin (Neoral)
• Sirolimus (Rapamune)
• Tacrolimus (Prograf)
Grapefruit juice with these can cause organ rejection, kidney problems, liver problems and loss of sensation (usually in fingers or toes).
Antipsychotic agent:
• Pimozide (Orap)
Grapefruit juice with this can cause dizziness, sedation, irregular heart beat and sudden death.
Antianxiety agent:
• Buspirone (Buspar)
Grapefruit juice with this can cause dizziness, sedation, irregular heart beat and sudden death.
Anticonvulsant agent:
• Carbamazepine (Tegretol)
Grapefruit juice with this can cause dizziness, drowsiness, nausea, vomiting, tremor, agitation, seizures and coma.
Antifungal agent:
• Itraconazole (Sporanox)
Grapefruit juice with this can cause a treatment failure which could lead to death if an internal fungal infection is the problem being treated.
Anticoagulant agent:
• Warfarin (Coumadin)
There have been conflicting reports about the effect of grapefruit juice on warfarin.
Mr. Lodwick did see the following patient. A middle-aged man with liver disease was taking warfarin and atorvastatin (Lipitor). He consumed approximately two gallons of pink grapefruit juice over three days. He developed severe muscle pain and cramps to the point that he was unable to eat. His INR increased into the 6 to 7 range and he developed bloody diarrhea. About three days after he finished the grapefruit juice, he was given a dose of vitamin K by mouth. The next day the bloody diarrhea stopped and he began to return to normal.
References: Lodwick, A. Warfarin Interactions: The Consequences of Upsetting the Balance Between Warfarin and Vitamin K. Colorado Society of Health-System Pharmacists. Poster Presentation. Aurora CO October 1999.
Maudlin, R. Grapefruit Juice - Physiological Effect; Drug Interactions. Modern Medicine 1999;67:59
Micromedex Database.
© 2000 Huyen-Vi Khong
 
Ross, here is the med list:
Warfarin 1 MG - 1 pill Fri - Sun and 1 1/2 pills Mon - Thurs
Baclofen - 10 MG - 1 3x a day
Famotidine 20MG - 1 2x a day
Trazodone 50 MG - 1 at bedtime
Fluconazole 20 MG - 1 2x a day
Lovenox Shot - 1 2x a day

Let me know if you need anything else!

Thanks
 
What is his his diet like, excerise level( I know he can't do much, but is he getting any activity at all? Lay it all out.
 
2 potential interactions were found for the drugs you selected.

WARFARIN SODIUM (in Warfarin Tablets) may interact with FLUCONAZOLE (in Fluconazole Tablets)

Fluconazole may block the breakdown of warfarin by the liver. If this happens, blood levels of warfarin could be increased and this could increase its anticoagulant effect. Warfarin is generally used to prevent your blood from "coagulating" or forming blood clots. When fluconazole and warfarin are used at the same time, your blood may be much less likely to clot and this may increase the risk of excessive bleeding. If these drugs are taken together, your doctor may want to monitor you closely when therapy with fluconazole is either started or stopped. Blood tests may be taken as frequently as every 2 days to make sure that you are getting the right amount of warfarin. If you are experiencing problems, it may be necessary to adjust the dose of warfarin.Ask your healthcare provider about these drugs and this potential interaction as soon as possible.

This interaction is well-documented and is considered major in severity.

Last Updated:January 2005



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WARFARIN SODIUM (in Warfarin Tablets) may interact with TRAZODONE (in Trazodone)

Although the cause of this potential interaction is not clearly understood, trazodone may decrease the anticoagulant effect of warfarin. Warfarin is generally used to prevent your blood from "coagulating" or forming blood clots. When trazodone and warfarin are used at the same time, warfarin may be less effective and this could cause the blood to clot more. If these drugs are taken together, your doctor may want to monitor you closely for signs of a clotting disorder. Blood tests can be used to make sure that you are getting the right amount of warfarin. If you are experiencing problems, it may be necessary to adjust the dose of warfarin.You may want to ask your healthcare provider about this potential interaction if you think you are having problems.

This interaction is poorly documented and is considered moderate in severity.

Last Updated:February 2009

Does he have a fungal infection? Wondering why the FLUCONAZOLE.
 
He has therapy 2 days a week for 3 hours physical, speech, and occupational. He gets up and about every day and walks around for about an hour. He focuses a lot of time on exercising his right arm trying to get it back and that does not require much physical work. He sleeps A LOT! Probably 12 - 14 hours a day! Not all at once but he generally naps every day. He does not do any specific exercising just walking at home and the physical therapy he receives is rather intense, he is very tired after therapy.
He eats very healthy, normally cereal for breakfast because I stay on him to drink more milk, and dinner is a lean meat and some vegatable. He does not eat much, some days barely anything at all. He has no appetite but when he does it it's generally healthy.
He did have a fungal infection and will be on the anti fungal for at least a year in attempt to keep it from coming back.
 
When was his last INR test, when is his next, what result was it and is his dose still the same as mentioned?
 
His last test was Monday of this week and it was 2.1 and they were very happy with that. I believe he is to have another one on Monday. I think they are waiting too long between test considering the issues he has had.......we still have not seen the home machine!
 
Is he still on the same dose or did they change it? If it's still the same dose, I'd of changed him to 1.5mg x 7.
 
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