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originally posted by Debora, "They say you should never make a doctor or nurse dislike you, after all, you're in their hands and some people even fear getting something bad done to them."

I know this fear exists among patients and their loved ones also. There have been times when I was afraid to leave Joe alone when someone I wasn't too sure of was on duty. It's a very scary feeling.

I say being friendly is the first order of business, and as long as things are going along fine, no reason to be troublesome, however, if there is neglect or unusual "attitude", or downright ineptness, then it's time to make them fearful of you.

NO patient should have to be afraid of anyone taking care of them.

If you don't like whoever is on your case, speak to the Nurse Manager and have them transferred off the case, and make sure the Nurse Manager understands why you feel that way.
 
geebee said:
When I was in the hospital for my second OHS, my blood chemistry was all messed up (potassium, etc.). The doctor was confused about what was happening and found out I wasn't eating. He asked why and I told him the food was inedible. Food that was supposed to be hot was cold, milk was lukewarm (I even got a container that was spoiled), etc. etc. etc.

He went out to the nursesstation and asked for all the menus they had from local restaurants that delivered and brought them in (apparently the nurses didn't eat in the cafeterian either).
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Very good point--I completely forgot about that when I was in the hospital. My mom and wife would take turns ferrying food from local restaurants. It was definitely a morale boost, and that's invaluable during the post-OHS experience ;) I think the food at my hospital was better than some of the others I've heard about, but still...

Tim
 
All this advice has been wonderful. Lots of things I haven't thought about. This is our second time around but I have learned a lot from all of you. Thanks
 
deboraginastewart said:
Thanks Barry for the hints, however, I don't know about how things work in American hospitals, but here in Brazil, doctors and staff don't really let you in on everything that's being done to you. I mean, they explain all about the operation itself, ask and answer questions, but don't really let you take a look at your chart and I don't think the patient's allowed to question on the medicine they're being given and so on. Any hints to try and change that? They say you should never make a doctor or nurse dislike you, after all, you're in their hands and some people even fear getting something bad done to them. Good luck to us!
Débora

By the way hospital staff here in the USA act, things are no different here in the USA than in Brazil. They don't let you in on what's going on, don't tell you much of anything about the meds they give you other than "Take this.", and don't want you to look at your chart. It's not the law, it's just the way they act - here's a specific example:

When I was in for my OHS I was up in the middle of the night and went for a walk through the corridors. Outside each room was a table with the charts for each patient on it. As I returned to my room, I spotted my chart and began to read it. A nurse came up and told me that I wasn't allowed to read it, that doing so was a violation of HIPAA (the Federal law in the US governing release of medical records). I'm rather familiar with HIPAA and politely but firmly told her that, as a matter of fact, it was a violation of HIPAA if they did not let me read my chart (a true fact), but if she wanted me to submit a written request so they could give me the denial in writing to be introduced into evidence at the civil suit I would be filing for HIPAA violation that was certainly OK with me - buffered with "No offense, I know they haven't seen the wisdom of puttin you in charge of the hospital, but what you're telling me is policy is violation of Federal law." From that point on, I had no difficulties accessing my chart.

I've learned to always ask "Why?" with regard to procedures and to ask about risks, benefits, and alternatives. Same with meds - although with meds I've found that the docs often really don't know that much about them themselves, and pharmacy inserts (info from the manufacturer sent to the pharmacy when they order meds) and pharmacists are much better sources of info; docs generally know only about med benefits, I suspect an artifact of pharmaceutical company salespeople being their primary source of med information for anything developed since the doc got out of medical school.

Here in the USA, I think what drives the veterinary medicine approach to medicine (i.e. not working with or talking with your patients) isn't really callous disregard or dehumanization - I think it's that our healthcare system here is just very overloaded and time is money; to make a living in medicine these days you have to see a zillion patients and you can't see that many if you really take the time with each to do meaningful informed consent. Another thing that drives it is that most patients put up with it.

I've also found, however, that in assertively insisting on answers to questions and upon access to my medical record that it is imperative to be exquisitely polite because - besides simple human decency, civility, and respect for other people - you've got to maintain a relationship with these folks.
 
I'll make sure next time...

I'll make sure next time...

Thanks a lot Nancy and Barry for your advice. Thank God I've been quite lucky so far, and I hope the same happens next time I have my surgery. However, it's better to be safe than sorry so, I will ask them to explain things to me this time.
Débora
 
someone mentioned having one person to notify everyone else about your status, etc. I went to groups.yahoo.com, created my own group, and asked everyone to join the group (or just added them myself); Then one person can send a single email to the group and everyone gets it. Great way to keep many different people informed!
 
dcpickle said:
someone mentioned having one person to notify everyone else about your status, etc. I went to groups.yahoo.com, created my own group, and asked everyone to join the group (or just added them myself); Then one person can send a single email to the group and everyone gets it. Great way to keep many different people informed!

And I am glad you created your own group, especially since that's how I eventually found VR.com. If you remember, I found your group while doing a search in yahoo. I joined your group and was referred here by you. Many thanks (as I've already told you, but I really am grateful).

Wise
 
controlit said:
Don;t know how or what to do about this one but be aware that reactions to morphine can be serious and dangerous..

Reactions to morphine are very idiosyncratic. The nursing staff knows this, or at least should know this, and should keep an eye on you. I have heard any number of instances of folks responding to morphine in a manner not unlike yours - going into a very very unpleasant dream-like state in which the distinction between reality and fantasy can't be distinguished. You're the first I've heard of where the person wasn't so immobilized by the drug that they were capable of actually acting out the delusions/hallucinations, though.

Being a former drug-fiend, IV morphine was the one thing I was looking forward to with OHS. My reaction was truly weird - they could have been giving me saline solution for as much as it affected me. Didn't do a thing. No therapeutic effects, no side-effects. For some reason I responded very well to oral percocet, though.

In the ongoing saga of developing hospital hints and how to deal with being stuck in the hospital with over-worked staff who don't do adequate informed consent, don't keep enough of any eye on you, this is a good example of the need to ask about the effects of drugs. And if the answer is that you can get delusional and hallucinatory, it would be a good idea to ask them to keep an eye on you to see if that happens.

This one would also be a good test: If they don't tell you that folks can have very unpleasant hallucinatory dreamy experiences on morphine, they're either ill-informed or not leveling with you. May or may not be a good idea to confront them on that, but certainly a good idea to make a mental note of that newfound information about your medical care-givers.


Actually, as I think of it, our reactions to drugs-of-abuse generally tend to be idiosyncratic. Some folks do morphine and react like you (unpleasant) or I did (no real effect), others develop an unhealthy appetite for more of the drug. This seems to be generally true of alcohol, tobacco, addictive pharmaceuticals, and street drugs. Some drugs fit us just like a key fits in a lock, others (such as you and I with morphine) leave you wondering just why anyone would want to do this stuff.
 

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