Effects of Amiodarone pre-surgery

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Martin

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Hello all and Happy Father's Day!

Well, I'll be going in for AVR on Wednesday. All has gone pretty well so far, and I'm ready to get the whole process underway. This site has been very helpful to me as I've been learning how to negotiate this new experience.

I've been given a 6-day supply of Amiodarone (200mg twice a day) and I'm about half-way through, but I felt nauseous most of last night (no vomiting). I'm wondering if others have experienced this same effect, and if I should hold off on the Amiodarone until it wears off, or just push on through taking the pills so as not to upset the surgery schedule. I have an email and phone message in to our care providers, but it is the Sunday morning of Father's Day and I don't expect a quick response. Any thoughts or similar experiences would be appreciated.

Thank you,

Martin
 
Martin, I've been on Amiodarone for a few weeks now, started off with twice the dose you're on, then went down to the dose your on, then finally a couple weeks ago went down to a 200 mg just once a day. I think you have to keep pushing through with taking the pills. It takes several days for that med to get into your system and if you stop now, it would most likely not have the effect they're shooting for (whatever that is - I assume to prevent irregular beats after surgery?). I haven't noticed feeling nauseous from it (I have an iron stomach and not much upsets it), so can't help with that part, but I don't think you should stop taking it until you can talk to the professionals.

Best wishes for your surgery Wed! You're in good company - there are quite a few joining you this week! Keep us updated as you feel up to it!
 
Hello all and Happy Father's Day!

Well, I'll be going in for AVR on Wednesday. All has gone pretty well so far, and I'm ready to get the whole process underway. This site has been very helpful to me as I've been learning how to negotiate this new experience.

I've been given a 6-day supply of Amiodarone (200mg twice a day) and I'm about half-way through, but I felt nauseous most of last night (no vomiting). I'm wondering if others have experienced this same effect, and if I should hold off on the Amiodarone until it wears off, or just push on through taking the pills so as not to upset the surgery schedule. I have an email and phone message in to our care providers, but it is the Sunday morning of Father's Day and I don't expect a quick response. Any thoughts or similar experiences would be appreciated.

Thank you,

Martin

I took amiodarone for about a month with no nausea or stomach distress. I would call the pharmacy and ask the pharmacist if there's anything you can do to reduce or relieve the discomfort. They can usually offer some suggestions. I'd also put in another call to your doctor. Father's Day or not, you should get a response.
 
I'm curious, is this prophylatic Amiodarone in hopes of preventing Afib after surgery, or are you in Afib and take something for it already?
 
Thank you for your responses...I did take my morning Amiodarone pill, and I am starting to feel a little better...in my case, it is prophylactic in hopes of preventing Afib after surgery....

Lyn,
 
Ask your doctor about Multaq (dronedarone), it was approved last year, it is the "son of Amiodarone" - same benefits without the longer-term side effects.
 
Thank you for your responses...I did take my morning Amiodarone pill, and I am starting to feel a little better...in my case, it is prophylactic in hopes of preventing Afib after surgery....

Lyn,

I'm nosy, Are you part of a trial? or is there a reason they think you would be higher risk of having Afib after surgery.
I think since you don't have Afib and it makes you nauseous, I definately would ask the doctor about stopping it early, since I'd imagine it would be hard to eat right and be as healthy as possible going into surgery, if the med has you nauseous the whole week.
or if you aren't part of a trial, maybe they could try one of the other meds they have been looking at that might not cause the same problems
 
That is weird you have to take it in advance, and if for some reason you have to stop it, they can get you up to proper circulating level via IV. I think that is a drug that should be taken with food, and the warning I had with it was never to eat grapefruit or to drink grapefruit juice while on it. Are you on any other drugs? I briefly had to take Lisinopril, and that made me horribly nauseated, so if you are taking that, see if you can stop that one?
 
He had me take it before surgery also and I got a bit nauseated on the 3rd-4th day . The idea was to prevent post surgery afib. I was off it after the cutting. Hey one thing. Don't eat a lot of food over the next few days and what you do eat make sure it has fiber in it. You will thank me for that advice as the pain killed can block you up something bad. I ate steak and spaghetti the night before. I regret that.
 
hi, I too am scheduled for wednesday and I have had two strange feelings I am blaming on that med. Last night I took my dinner one late ( I am on one pill 3 times a day, breakfast, lunch and dinner) and I had chest pressure, aches in my arm and left shoulder. Finally fell asleep around 1 am. Then when I took the lunchtime one today, around 3, I got a sick feeling in my stomach. Finally went away and I did not throw up. Nice to know I am not the only one, I guess. Robin
 
I have never even heard of this drug. Is it standard procedure to take it before or after surgery? I will add this to the question list I am making for the surgeon. Since we have the date set for Hopkins, I am wondering if we even see him again before the day of surgery. Is it customary for the surgeon to see you the day you have your preop? All of a sudden, I am confused about what the whole process will be like. Thanks, Barb
 
I have never even heard of this drug. Is it standard procedure to take it before or after surgery? I will add this to the question list I am making for the surgeon. Since we have the date set for Hopkins, I am wondering if we even see him again before the day of surgery. Is it customary for the surgeon to see you the day you have your preop? All of a sudden, I am confused about what the whole process will be like. Thanks, Barb

Barb, search here for Amiodrone there are quite a few posts about it. No it is not common to get before surgery I knew there aare a few trials before CABG and some valve replacements surgeries, but didn't realize other people were already getting it before surgery.
After surgery it can be used for A-fib, BUT it should be used as a last resort, after other meds didn't work, because of all the side effects. (the FDA gave it a Black box warning) many doctors give it before trying other meds (even tho the manufactuere even says it should be used last) because it does work for A Fib.
As for your pre op/surgeon question, it really depends if you will see the surgeon before surgery or even during the pre op day, many of the bigger/teaching centers you usually do not see the surgeon during pre op, usually you see a CT surgical Fellow, or Resident.
 
My doctors briefed me about the possible side effects, and I expressed some concern. But all of them (3 different cardiologists, my surgeon's assistant and 2 different GP physicians) continue to stress that the serious side effects (liver and thyroid issues) really only come into play if on the drug for a long time (i.e. more than 3-6 months). And even those side effects are pretty rare (less than 10% for liver issues, 1-3% for thyroid issues). There are some other "less serious" side effects that may happen even in short-term use (at least this is my understanding). Things like sensitivity to sun, headaches, insomnia, vision disturbances, nausea, constipation and several others (5-10% of people) and blue skin (less than 1%). So, my understanding is the "last resort" thing applies more to those that will need an anti a-fib med for the long-haul. In those cases (chronic a-fib) they'd want to exhaust other possibilities first. But they seem to use Amiodarone quite frequently for short-term a-fib (at least here in my network).
 
I have never even heard of this drug. Is it standard procedure to take it before or after surgery? I will add this to the question list I am making for the surgeon. Since we have the date set for Hopkins, I am wondering if we even see him again before the day of surgery. Is it customary for the surgeon to see you the day you have your preop? All of a sudden, I am confused about what the whole process will be like. Thanks, Barb

Barb,
Unless your son's surgeon has said you'll see him before surgery or at pre-op, don't assume you will. It's more likely that you won't. I did not see any docs when I did my pre-op and because I had asked, knew that I would not see him before my surgery. Call his office tomorrow and ask about it, chances are the answer will be no, if so, ask if you can schedule a phone call or another visit to go over additional questions.

This is the first I've heard of amiordarone being used before surgery, and it's the first time I've seen it posted here for use pre-surgery. I did take it for awhile after.
 
This is what I was told, Amiodarone is used to prevent the chance of A-fib after the surgery is over. I think it slows your heart rate alittle and it gives your heart benefits to recoop from the heart/lung machine time. I am to take 200mg at breakfast, lunch and dinner. I started at lunchtime on Friday and I continue with my last dose on Wednesday morning before surgery with a small sip of water. But i hate to say, I am still feeling a little sick to my stomach this morning. Robin
 
Martin, How are you feeling today? Did your doctor get back to you?

I have never even heard of this drug. Is it standard procedure to take it before or after surgery? I will add this to the question list I am making for the surgeon. Since we have the date set for Hopkins, I am wondering if we even see him again before the day of surgery. Is it customary for the surgeon to see you the day you have your preop? All of a sudden, I am confused about what the whole process will be like. Thanks, Barb

Barb, You can get a pretty detailed list of all the possible side effects, at http://www.drugs.com/sfx/amiodarone-side-effects.html
Most information, says it should be started in the hospital, because of the potential problems in high doses (which are just 400 a day and above). they are pretty common, here is a short bit
Amiodarone Side Effects - for the Professional
Amiodarone
Adverse reactions have been very common in virtually all series of patients treated with Amiodarone for ventricular arrhythmias with relatively large doses of drug (400 mg/day and above), occurring in about three-fourths of all patients and causing discontinuation in 7 to 18%. The most serious reactions are pulmonary toxicity, exacerbation of arrhythmia, and rare serious liver injury, but other adverse effects constitute important problems. They are often reversible with dose reduction or cessation of Amiodarone treatment. Most of the adverse effects appear to become more frequent with continued treatment beyond six months, although rates appear to remain relatively constant beyond one year. The time and dose relationships of adverse effects are under continued study.

Neurologic problems are extremely common, occurring in 20 to 40% of patients and including malaise and fatigue, tremor and involuntary movements, poor coordination and gait, and peripheral neuropathy; they are rarely a reason to stop therapy and may respond to dose reductions or discontinuation. There have been spontaneous reports of demyelinating polyneuropathy.

Gastrointestinal complaints, most commonly nausea, vomiting, constipation, and anorexia, occur in about 25% of patients but rarely require discontinuation of drug. These commonly occur during high-dose administration (i.e., loading dose) and usually respond to dose reduction or divided doses.



Read more: http://www.drugs.com/sfx/amiodarone-side-effects.html#ixzz0rVitWvG6


This is the warning from the package insert http://www.upsher-smith.com/PDFs/Pacerone_PI.pdf

PaceroneĀ® (Amiodarone HCI) Tablets are intended for use only in patients with the indicated life-threatening
arrhythmias because amiodarone use is accompanied by substantial toxicity.
Amiodarone has several potentially fatal toxicities, the most important of which is pulmonary toxicity
(hypersensitivity pneumonitis or interstitial/alveolar pneumonitis) that has resulted in clinically manifest
disease at rates as high as 10 to 17%in some series of patientswith ventricular arrhythmias given doses around
400 mg/day, and as abnormal diffusion capacity without symptoms in a much higher percentage of patients.
Pulmonary toxicity has been fatal about 10% of the time. Liver injury is common with amiodarone, but is
usually mild and evidenced only by abnormal liver enzymes. Overt liver disease can occur, however, and has
been fatal in a few cases. Like other antiarrhythmics, amiodarone can exacerbate the arrhythmia, e.g., by
making the arrhythmia less well tolerated or more difficult to reverse. This has occurred in 2 to 5% of patients
in various series, and significant heart block or sinus bradycardia has been seen in 2 to 5%. All of these events
should be manageable in the proper clinical setting in most cases. Although the frequency of such
proarrhythmic events does not appear greater with amiodarone than with many other agents used in this
population, the effects are prolonged when they occur.
Even in patients at high risk of arrhythmic death, in whom the toxicity of amiodarone is an acceptable risk,
PaceroneĀ® Tablets pose major management problems that could be life-threatening in a population at risk of
sudden death, so that every effort should be made to utilize alternative agents first.
The difficulty of using PaceroneĀ® Tablets effectively and safely itself poses a significant risk to patients.
Patients with the indicated arrhythmias must be hospitalized while the loading dose of PaceroneĀ® Tablets is
given, and a response generally requires at least one week, usually two or more. Because absorption and
elimination are variable, maintenance-dose selection is difficult, and it is not unusual to require dosage
decrease or discontinuation of treatment. In a retrospective survey of 192 patients with ventricular
tachyarrhythmias, 84 required dose reduction and 18 required at least temporary discontinuation because of
adverse effects, and several series have reported 15 to 20% overall frequencies of discontinuation due to
adverse reactions. The time at which a previously controlled life-threatening arrhythmia will recur after
discontinuation or dose adjustment is unpredictable, ranging fromweeks tomonths. The patient is obviously
at great risk during this time and may need prolonged hospitalization. Attempts to substitute other
antiarrhythmic agents when PaceroneĀ® Tablets must be stopped will be made difficult by the gradually, but
unpredictably, changing amiodarone body burden. A similar problem exists when amiodarone is not effective;
it still poses the risk of an interaction with whatever subsequent treatment is tried
 
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Lyn, I got the impression (but could be wrong) those side effects above are for 400 mg / day and above for long periods (6 mo+). Here's a piece of that same article (further down in the article) where I thought they were talking about the more 'normal' doses of less than 400 mg / day over the long haul. I was also told they give you a loading dose (400+ mg/day) for a while. I was on 400+ / day at first, then got reduced to my current 200 mg / day. I'm not expected to be on it for more than the next couple months so haven't been too worried (after talking to my docs at length about it). Although, now I'm getting a little nervous again. I'm hoping the percentages below are more accurate for folks like me (on 200 mg/day for 3 mo) and for folks like those in this study who are on 400 mg / day just for a short time. But I admit I'm a little nervous about it again and may talk to my cardiologist about going off it earlier again.

Note the side effects below are broken out into "paragraphs" by % of occurence. Here's a link to the full article: http://www.drugs.com/sfx/amiodarone-side-effects.html



The following side-effect rates are based on a retrospective study of 241 patients treated for 2 to 1,515 days (mean 441.3 days).



The Following Side Effects Were Each Reported in 10 to 33% of Patients

Gastrointestinal: Nausea and vomiting.



The Following Side Effects Were Each Reported in 4 to 9% of Patients

Dermatologic: Solar dermatitis/photosensitivity.

Neurologic: Malaise and fatigue, tremor/abnormal involuntary movements, lack of coordination, abnormal gait/ataxia, dizziness, paresthesias.

Gastrointestinal: Constipation, anorexia.

Ophthalmologic: Visual disturbances.

Hepatic: Abnormal liver-function tests.

Respiratory: Pulmonary inflammation or fibrosis.



The Following Side Effects Were Each Reported in 1 to 3% of Patients

Thyroid: Hypothyroidism, hyperthyroidism.

Neurologic: Decreased libido, insomnia, headache, sleep disturbances.

Cardiovascular: Congestive heart failure, cardiac arrhythmias, SA node dysfunction.

Gastrointestinal: Abdominal pain.

Hepatic: Nonspecific hepatic disorders.

Other: Flushing, abnormal taste and smell, edema, abnormal salivation, coagulation abnormalities.



The Following Side Effects Were Each Reported in Less Than 1% of Patients

Blue skin discoloration, rash, spontaneous ecchymosis, alopecia, hypotension, and cardiac conduction abnormalities.
 
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Lyn,

It now looks like I might have picked up a stomach bug....I was feeling rocky for 24 hours, but I'm starting to feel much better now. Yes, my doctor did get back to me and advised me to drink plenty of liquids, maintain a bland diet, and if the nausea continued, to discontinue the Amiodarone and they would administer it intravenously during surgery, but now that I have 8 pills down and only 4 more to go, I may be out of the woods...

Thanks, all, for your feedback

Martin
 
Interesting to note that people are frightened to death of a surgery with 1%-2% (depending) chance of fatality, but will take pills that have a much greater percentage of causing them harm without pushing back.

Pills and medicine are still magic to us. What are we thinking?

Best wishes,
 
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