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Don't forget that access to your Doctor of Choice is also highly dependent on what type of Insurance one carries.

Health Maintenance Organizations (HMO's) are set up where your Primary Care Physician (PCP) acts as a "Gatekeeper" to screen patients. HE determines IF and WHEN he will Refer patients to a specialist (IN-Network). (NO THANK YOU!)

PPO's (Preferred Provider Organizations) have a list of Participating Preferred Providers that patients can see. Most have a PCP but his referal is NOT necessary for patients to see a specialist (within the PPO Network).

Networks can be Local or Statewide. Some also include Major Out-of-State Hospitals (such as Mayo Clinic, or Cleveland Clinic, or Big Hospitals in Nearby States as 'in-network providers. Out of Network Providers can also be used with higher co-pays or by referal for complex cases. Such systems usually work well for most patients while helping to minimize costs.

I don't know a lot about Independent / Private Insurance.

(Many / Some) Employers offer employees their choice of HMO, PPO, or Private Insurance at varying (shared) costs with the employee. Such systems are becoming harder to find (not to mention more expensive) for New Employees.


For patients 65 years old and over, Medicare (Government Provided) and Private Medicare Supplemental Policies allow patients to see ANY Doctor, ANYwhere, for ANY reason, Without Referal. Some of the Private Policies are a bit 'pricey'. It pays to 'shop around' to compare costs.

The government has mandated/defined 12 different Plan Levels (A-L) which are identical from all Insurers. Costs vary by the Claim Experience of each provider in your state.

Stand-Alone Prescription Drug Plans are now also available with widely varying costs and co-pays. My state has 49 different plans licensed to sell here. Medicare (and Walgreens) have computer programs that calculate your expected annual costs for each program. There is an "Open Enrollment" every year from Nov 15 thru Dec 31 and subscribers are wise to compare plans EVERY year because costs and coverage can change. (Anybody have an aspirin?)


So called "Advantage Plans" require a PCP (Gatekeeper) and the use of In-Network Providers and carry Co-Pays for each visit. These plans save money for patients who don't need to see Doctors very often. (NO THANK YOU - I want to be able to see WHO I want, WHERE I want, WHEN I want, Without Referal.) Many Advantage Plans include Prescription Drug Coverage. Again, it pays to 'shop around'.

'AL Capshaw'
 
i have never had treatment any where else but the uk,so i cant comment on whats its like,but must say my treatment i had in the uk for my valve in every instance was first class i was offered what valve etc i wanted which hospital i wanted,and everthing was first class, well apart from when there pulled the drain tube out lol........neil
 
Yeah, I do read this forum actually Olefin, and the recurrent theme is that the cardiologists are the ones telling the patients to wait while the surgeons are saying that they need surgery now. I've read that lots of times on here.
I was speaking of cardiologist.... my cardiologist made the decision on when it was time for my surgery. Not the surgeon... it's his job to do it, not tell people when they need it. I never saw my surgeon until the day before surgery. I travel 550 miles to where he was. I feel that people have a tendency to want surgery before they need it. I don't blame that on surgeons.

In Texas, they can't garnish your wages to pay for medical bills. If you truly need surgery, you will get it.
Especially if you're an illegal. :D

Health Maintenance Organizations (HMO's) are set up where your Primary Care Physician (PCP) acts as a "Gatekeeper" to screen patients. HE determines IF and WHEN he will Refer patients to a specialist (IN-Network). (NO THANK YOU!)
I'm with you Al!
I once was in a HMO... for 2 months! That's how long it took to get my belly full of them telling WHAT I could do and WHO I could see.

For patients 65 years old and over, Medicare (Government Provided) and Private Medicare Supplemental Policies allow patients to see ANY Doctor, ANYwhere, for ANY reason, Without Referal. Some of the Private Policies are a bit 'pricey'. It pays to 'shop around' to compare costs.
We have a great system!
Sure hope the the new folks in Washington leave it alone.

Al, your complete post was another great one! Thanks
 
In any case, I must be doing something wrong because I have all these co-pays and deductibles and you all don't. I work for a company that makes billions and employs 300,000 people. This truely sucks and now I want to work for someone else that has better health care! :confused:

If that were possible I guess:D

My husband and I own our own company. That allows us the luxury of choosing the health insurance policy for our company, and of course, we always take my health needs into consideration each year when we review what is available. We always choose the top of the line policy with the best coverage at every level. A larger company is most likely not going to make this kind of coverage available to their employees. We also pay 100% of ALL of our employees coverage (currently around 100 employees and not something that I'm thrilled with having to do) and then they have to pay for family coverage if they want it included. That is how I had my complete surgical bill paid with nothing out of pocket.

Kim
 
I once was in a HMO... for 2 months! That's how long it took to get my belly full of them telling WHAT I could do and WHO I could see.

How did you change from an HMO after 2 months? Once we sign up in October/November annual enrollment we are locked in until the next year.

I had an HMO and while I don't like the way it operated from a financial point of view, I never had an issue with getting a referral, I guess I lucked out getting a doctor who is interested in my overall health and doesn't hesitate to send my family to an expert when necessary.

We have a PPO now, no referrals necessary. But our first line of defense is our GP.

My husband and I own our own company. That allows us the luxury of choosing the health insurance policy for our company, and of course, we always take my health needs into consideration each year when we review what is available. We always choose the top of the line policy with the best coverage at every level. A larger company is most likely not going to make this kind of coverage available to their employees. We also pay 100% of ALL of our employees coverage (currently around 100 employees and not something that I'm thrilled with having to do) and then they have to pay for family coverage if they want it included. That is how I had my complete surgical bill paid with nothing out of pocket.

Kim

That makes sense, It must be very expensive to pay for an excellent health insurance plan. The company I work for doesn't offer such a plan, which doesn't make much sense to me because the extra costs are just passed on to the employees. Mine is Blue cross/blue shield, is yours a large insurance provider as well? There is deffinitely something I'm missing here. :confused:
 
By the way, when we lived in Europe, the portion from my husband's pay for the NHS was more than we were paying at the time for our health insurance here in the US (which, by the way, we kept in force the whole time we lived there "just in case" because I knew if I needed any serious medical care, we would come home).

Kim

The NHS is funded from taxation not from the National Insurance contributions. Those fund various benefits.

Benefits that depend on NIC contributions

Your entitlement to the following benefits and/or the amount you can get will depend on your (or in some cases your spouse or civil partner's) NIC contributions:

* Contribution based Jobseeker's Allowance (Class 1 NICs only)
* Incapacity Benefit (if you can't work for long periods due to illness or injury)
* Contribution based Employment and Support Allowance (ESA)
* State Pension
* additional State Pension (Class 1 NICs only)
* Widowed Parents' Allowance
* Bereavement Allowance
* Bereavement Payment
 
Kfay, what would have been your issue with having treatment in the UK? Just wondering.
They have world class facilities there too.
 
Kfay, what would have been your issue with having treatment in the UK? Just wondering.
They have world class facilities there too.


Bridgette, I get the sense here that you are just looking for a fight. I'm not going to go into my experiences with the NHS because I realize that there are quite a few people on here who utilize it and are probably very satisfied with the care that it provides them. Let's just say that it didn't live up to my expectations and leave it at that.

Kim
 
No I definitely was not looking for a fight.
I was genuinely wondering, because I lived in the UK at one stage and found their hospitals to be very good, that's all.

I'm very sorry if you took my question the wrong way.
 
Fight? … I don’t see anyone trying to start a fight …. There are world class surgeons and facilities world wide … this thread has been informative to say the least … we have members from all over the world that have had successful surgeries and recoveries …. I would feel more comfortable having surgery here simple because it’s home … if I lived in the UK I am sure I would feel the same way…..
 
That makes sense, It must be very expensive to pay for an excellent health insurance plan. The company I work for doesn't offer such a plan, which doesn't make much sense to me because the extra costs are just passed on to the employees. Mine is Blue cross/blue shield, is yours a large insurance provider as well? There is deffinitely something I'm missing here. :confused:

We have BC/BS as well (and United Healthcare before that, both of which, in my experience, have been great to work with). I don't know if you realize or not, but when we are re-doing our insurance every year, we put our policy out to bid. From each insurance company, we may be presented with up to 10 different options for our employees. We, as the employers, then choose which option(s) we are going to make available for our employees to choose from. We typically always choose the most expensive, which has $15/30 copays for office visits only. Hospital in patient is paid with no deductible and at 100% coverage. The lowest level we are ususally presented with may be $30/50 copays, a large yearly deductible, and only 70% coverage for in hospital up to a certain amount out of pocket. Then there is everything in between these two. We are going to offer a lower option this year to our employees who don't want a high level of coverage to cut their family portion of expenses. Unless your employer offers this higher level of coverage as a choice to you, you may never have known that it was an option.

Kim
 
Hey there.
I'm in the UK and chose my surgeon after a conflab with my cardiologist as he was superb at Aortic valve replacements. I also chose what valve I wanted. I got shown a catalogue at my first surgeon visit and was then left to think about which I wanted. This not only included mech or tissue but which model too. It was daunting and I think I would have quite liked someone to just say "this is the best valve for you"

Lotti
 
We have BC/BS as well (and United Healthcare before that, both of which, in my experience, have been great to work with). I don't know if you realize or not, but when we are re-doing our insurance every year, we put our policy out to bid. From each insurance company, we may be presented with up to 10 different options for our employees. We, as the employers, then choose which option(s) we are going to make available for our employees to choose from. We typically always choose the most expensive, which has $15/30 copays for office visits only. Hospital in patient is paid with no deductible and at 100% coverage. The lowest level we are ususally presented with may be $30/50 copays, a large yearly deductible, and only 70% coverage for in hospital up to a certain amount out of pocket. Then there is everything in between these two. We are going to offer a lower option this year to our employees who don't want a high level of coverage to cut their family portion of expenses. Unless your employer offers this higher level of coverage as a choice to you, you may never have known that it was an option.

Kim

My employer doesn't offer any of that, so the option just isn't there for me. An as an employee, we pay a large chunk of the insurance premium. Not a question to you, but one in general, why wouldn't they offer a choice and let us decide? This limits my choices and rations my health care to a great degree to what I was not used to, I feel very confined here in the land of the free.
 
well gonna stick up for the uk here,we only a little island in the sea and i think we do preety darn well lol,agree with cooker theres great surgeons hospitals worldwide,no matter where you go you will get the odd bad un,but in the whole think most are good,right now wheres my union jack ha ha
 
My employer doesn't offer any of that, so the option just isn't there for me. An as an employee, we pay a large chunk of the insurance premium. Not a question to you, but one in general, why wouldn't they offer a choice and let us decide? This limits my choices and rations my health care to a great degree to what I was not used to, I feel very confined here in the land of the free.

From what I understand the empoyers don't offer the better choices because it cost them more, even when the employees pay a chunk. We've often had to really look at different insurance options even when getting jobs because of Justin, but with our PPo BsBC we hardly had any out of pocket costs for Justin's surgery tests, maybe 20 dollars for the origonal docs visit, but all hospital and testing was coverred 100%
 
How did you change from an HMO after 2 months? Once we sign up in October/November annual enrollment we are locked in until the next year.

Best I remember they were running a first time test here in our county. I was attracted due to the low cost.

It required me going to a Primary Care doctor, which was a GP. I had a major disagreement with the GP about where to control INR. I got out of the plan and went back to my Cardiologist.
 
From what I understand the empoyers don't offer the better choices because it cost them more, even when the employees pay a chink. We've often had to really look at different insurance options even when getting jobs because of Justin, but with our PPF BsBC we hardly had any out of pocket costs for Justin's surgery tests, maybe 20 dollars for the origonal docs visit, but all hospital and testing was coverred 100%

Sounds like its time to tune up the old resume. Its a shame, I like working where I work and times are tough and all. Its sad to have to consider leaving a job I like, working with people I like, to get half decent health care access.
 
Forgot to add, I agree with cooker. Every system is comfortable to the country who has it, and IMO, as long as the effect is that everyone is kept healthy and productive, society benefits.
 
Every system is comfortable to the country who has it, and IMO, as long as the effect is that everyone is kept healthy and productive, society benefits.

Exactly the reason why I refuse to answer Brigette's question and list all of my complaints with the NHS. It is just asking for trouble. I have no doubt that someone from the UK, or anywhere else in the world with a different healthcare system, would come to the States and have issues with our system. I never said it was perfect. Already, Neil has felt the need to jump in and defend the NHS. My issues with the NHS were my issues, not anybody else's, and the fact that we made the decision when we moved there that we would come home if serious health care issues arose, was also our personal decision based on OUR personal experiences. That's all.

Kim
 
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