Coumadin and Fruit

[Evgenii]

Let me ask you: are you actually crazy about this issue? Are you somehow thinking "may cause" means "for gods sake don't touch it or you'll die for certain"

That's about what I think, after all, these are medical documents that are not pure fiction

 

[pellicle]

That's about what I think, after all, these are medical documents that are not pure fiction

I'm not saying they are pure fiction, I'm saying the words are accurate but you're not reading the words. And what of the ones which robustly support mech and warfarin? Are they fiction? What of all the data I've sent showing that no matter what you may end up on warfarin anyway (or did I waste my time and you not read them?)

May cause is not the same as will cause and has no comment on magnitude.

So basically what do you make of all of us here who are on warfarin and say its a nothing burger? We're lying?

You must remember who these words are written to and the context of that writing. They are written to the medical clinicans (nurses, not doctors) who run the administration of warfarin (often in conjunction with software systems designed to help them take the thinking out of it). These clinics will often only be taking INR readings monthly (why not confirm that here by reading discussions from patients) and panic when INR is out of range and don't know how to deal with it.

I notice people (like you) are happy to praise doctors when what they read supports their desires, but diminish and criticize those same doctors when they don't get a good outcome.

So which is it? Are they gods or are they just over worked and working outside their specialisation (which is what a General Practitioner does, they aren't a specialist).

Why even waste everyones time here when you seem to be about justifying your position (not learning) and about picking a magic solution (like Ozaki) rather than the very orthodox solution (by your own admission is common in Russia, and I confirmed in Norway too) such as a mechanical?

Your logic defies analysis

I hope you have the courage to post back in 10 years time to tell us stories of how it went; but you may notice that there are very few stories of 20+ years on anything other than a mechanical and many good studies to support that.

I don't care what you take as it in no ways effects my life. So you've had plenty of good information from me (which you appear to have just swept aside) and so I'm tapped out.

Best Wishes

 

[Evgenii]

May cause is not the same as will cause and has no comment on magnitude.

So basically what do you make of all of us here who are on warfarin and say its a nothing burger? We're lying?

for example, regarding diet and products, I saw a lot of evidence that people ate them in moderation without affecting the inr and I also try to find stories when people use other drugs from this list without affecting the inr. my searches are related to the fact that I, like any person, want to be less dependent on the constant supervision of medical personnel

 

[LondonAndy]

for example, regarding diet and products, I saw a lot of evidence that people ate them in moderation without affecting the inr and I also try to find stories when people use other drugs from this list without affecting the inr. my searches are related to the fact that I, like any person, want to be less dependent on the constant supervision of medical personnel

If you have your own INR test meter, you can be flexible with what you eat (with a few to exercise caution over, such as grapefruit and cranberry juice). Experiment with what you eat, test your INR and adjust the dose if needed. You are not dependent on medical personnel, and can take responsibility for your own health.