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From what I recall, just drinking alcohol does not have an effect on INR -- or has a minimal effect. However, there is a component in wines - especially the red ones - that can influence INRs. It's those components that can keep you from drinking too much wine.

I have personal doubts that binging on beer occasionally will have much impact on your INR. I don't know that your clinic nurse was correct in her warnings against beer (specifically). Although warfarin and K are processed through the liver, as is alcohol, I'm not sure that a healthy person with good liver function would really see a link between consumption of beer and changes in INR.

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Also -- this sounds like a good time to suggest that you get your own meter and do your own testing. If you can afford the strips, you can test a day or so after your binge (or even a few hours afterwards, if you're really concerned), to see if your INR is changed.

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There's a lot of outdated, bad, and simply incorrect information about warfarin and anticoagulation, and a lot of it simply gets repeated and taken as fact. (For example - the myth that warfarin somehow 'thins' the blood remains a persistent, inaccurate description of what it actually does; the idea that you should completely avoid greens (and sources of high amounts of Vitamin K) also persists; the idea that a temporary drop in INR below 2.0 requires immediate bridging is another one that some seem to adhere to religiously). The idea that drinking too much beer will make your INR spike extremely high is probably another one to be taken with a grain of salt -- or verified with an INR test or two.
 
I am not ready to drink yet but intend to study the effects with extensive home testing once I am ready.

I touched the topic earlier and most comments are to be consistent but that is not what I want. Having to drink on a daily basis, to be able to also drink on the few occasions you really want it does not seem right. I used to be a binge drinker and get real drunk on some occasions. I realize that this will probably not be possible anymore, then again...consuming alcohol less often and in smaller quantities will probably result in me getting drunk very easily.

I got some information from the nurse in my warfarin clinic. She told me that the INR goes up pretty much directly when consuming alcohol and gets back to normal when the alcohol is out of the blood stream (I guess that is within 24 hours). I think that people who (binge) drink and only test every few weeks or monthly don’t see the effect for this reason.

The fact that it only temporarily raises the INR makes me think that there is not a real way you can manage a binge drinking session by changing your warfarin intake. It seems to me though that there is less risk in having an out of range (too high) INR just for a short while than for a longer time.

I can imagine that when you are in the bottom of your therapeutic range (2.0-2.5) and drink quite bit your INR may temporarily shoot up to 4.0 or something. This is too high but maybe not extremely dangerous. The big question is however how many beers will increase you INR by how many points. I intend to test this by home testing and I will post the results. I hope once I have this information I will again be able to have my fun nights out. I would always test before a session and still try to keep the alcohol intake within reasonable limits.

I told my plan to my warfarin nurse, she kind of understood and smiled. What I understand from her is that she has seen people completely drunk and that the INR still wasn’t extremely out of range.
I said: "If my INR is low like for example 2.0 at start and I drink 8 beers maybe my INR will only go up to 4.0 or something".
Her answer: "Maybe it will be less". Anyway something to test and find out for myself.......

Will keep everyone informed.....


There you go... Now you have me thinking.. I guess the only way to get to the bottom of this is to go out and get drunk, and then run my home test while I'm still drunk. LOL.

Actually, I have been home testing for 12 years, and have not seen any major changes in my INR levels due to alcohol. Everyone is different though. Even many of the documentation on the effects of alchohol differ, they state that in some people it will go up, and in others it may go down.

Rob
 
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