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So the time has come for surgery and I'm thinking about options and doing all the research I can to make the most informed and best suited decision for myself and my future.

I've searched literature and previous posts to try and understand more about the Ross procedure and the experiences of those that have undergone it.

Ideally, I'd like another 20 years without needing anticoagulation (in my early 30s now), but like to think I'd be accepting of and manage warfarin well in the longer term. Opening up problems with a second valve is the big worry for me, that and lack of data beyond 20 or so years post Ross.

Anyone here had the Ross and care to share their experience?
 
Hi

Ideally, I'd like another 20 years without needing anticoagulation (in my early 30s now),
makes good logical sense ... knowing me (and knowing some others) I can say its not always a good time in life to be adding one more thing ... even if it is reasonably simple. I'm glad that your thinking ahead into life after (and not just about "the surgery).

but like to think I'd be accepting of and manage warfarin well in the longer term.
that's good!

Opening up problems with a second valve is the big worry for me, that and lack of data beyond 20 or so years post Ross.
correct ... its a craps shoot ... to me the cost benefit doesn't stack up, but then I got 10 (brain fart, 20) years out of my homograft (at age 28) and so when it was redo time I only needed the Aortic valve (and an aneurysm fixing up).


Anyone here had the Ross and care to share their experience?

While you are waiting for others to reply here's a quick search I did of prior posts

https://www.valvereplacement.org/threads/endocarditis-leading-to-avr-my-story.889366/post-929467

This person wanted it
https://www.valvereplacement.org/th...e-who-had-a-ross-procedure.888820/post-920892

but sadly got Endo and ...
https://www.valvereplacement.org/threads/endocarditis-leading-to-avr-my-story.889366/post-929467


lastly my own view

https://www.valvereplacement.org/threads/ross-vs-mechanical.889507/#post-931593

also the Ross increases time on the cross clamp both on the initial surgery and on subsequent redo's. This is why you'd want to avoid that

https://www.sciencedirect.com/science/article/pii/S1743919110004619


Lastly its all very personal but as a patient you need to make informed choices so that you can balance the life risk:reward ratio.

Best Wishes
 
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Thanks for sending all these through. I'd come across most already fortunately.

A decade or two without anticoagulation is more important to me as a woman than it would be to most patients my age. I feel I would be accepting of switching to mechanical valves down the line were I to have issues with the Ross. It's just not wanting to be in that cohort with early failure I suppose and get the benefit and freedom of life without anticoagulation whilst I'm younger. Nothing in life is certain, but strongly inclined to go with the Ross at present.
 
I'd come across most already
that's good, and shows you've been reading widely.

Nothing in life is certain,
agreed ... nothing is certain, only statistical. Trust me I know all to well.

any reason why you aren't looking at cryopreserved homograft?

https://pubmed.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/11380096/

Methods: Between December 1969 and December 1998, 1,022 patients (males 65%; median age 49 years; range: 1-80 years) received either a subcoronary (n = 635), an intraluminal cylinder (n = 35), or a full root replacement (n = 352). There was a unique result of a 99.3% complete follow up at the end of this 29-year experience.
... for all cryopreserved valves, at 15 years, the freedom was ... 85% (21-40 years), 81% (41-60 years) and 94% (>60 years)...

I was operated on at 28 and had no need of ACT in the twenty years I got from my valve.

Best Wishes
 
that's good, and shows you've been reading widely.


agreed ... nothing is certain, only statistical. Trust me I know all to well.

any reason why you aren't looking at cryopreserved homograft?

https://pubmed.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/11380096/

Methods: Between December 1969 and December 1998, 1,022 patients (males 65%; median age 49 years; range: 1-80 years) received either a subcoronary (n = 635), an intraluminal cylinder (n = 35), or a full root replacement (n = 352). There was a unique result of a 99.3% complete follow up at the end of this 29-year experience.
... for all cryopreserved valves, at 15 years, the freedom was ... 85% (21-40 years), 81% (41-60 years) and 94% (>60 years)...

I was operated on at 28 and had no need of ACT in the twenty years I got from my valve.

Best Wishes
I appreciate you linking to this study, however the full paper is unavailable.

It's not the best abstract so I'd be wary of making any inferences from it. It doesn't even state if it's a single-centre/ multi centre trial. Is this a single-centre retrospective study? It's also 24 years old given it's nearly 2025. Is there anything newer? A well-constructed systematic review? Also if AVR homografts are now not undertaken regularly that's a red flag for me, need to follow to expertise and what surgeons are doing to some degree.

Great that you got so long from your homograft and was planning on asking about them.
 
Morning

I appreciate you linking to this study, however the full paper is unavailable.
yes, not everything is full text without paying sadly.

It's not the best abstract
what I posted or the link to the site? What is "wrong" with the abstract ... its a follow up ... its not a surgical explanation of the homograft. What do you feel is missing?

so I'd be wary of making any inferences from it.

equally I'd apply that to every paper you read unless its large and covers many years (and not 50 thousand patients for a month and then extrapolate that to start saying 4 thousand patient years).

It doesn't even state if it's a single-centre/ multi centre trial.
well it wasn't really a trial, and yes, you're correct, I hadn't noticed that. It was written up in a number of ways over time, one such re-write says:
Entrez PubMed
: Semin Thorac Cardiovasc Surg. 2001 Oct;13(4 Suppl 1):180-5.
Allograft aortic root replacement in 418 patients over a span of 15 years: 1985 to 2000.
O'Brien MF, Harrocks S, Stafford G, Gardner M, Sparks L, Barnett A.
Cardiac Surgical Research Unit, The Prince Charles Hospital, Chermside, Brisbane, Australia.
Is this a single-centre retrospective study?
yes, mentioned in the above publication of their data ... and well follow-ups are by definition retrospective ... right?

It's also 24 years old given it's nearly 2025.
its of course going to be old when your last patient in the study was operated on in 1999 and you want to then give that a meaningful amount of years...


Is there anything newer? A well-constructed systematic review?
well anything "newer" is by definition going to be "old data" based on what you've said. Also how is newer any more beneficial? What has changed? Has human anatomy changed?

The Ross itself is quite old, the technique being first developed in 1967 by Donald Ross. Few studies have been done on it (mostly single center and specific authors have dusted it off and dragged it back out again. There are far more studies on the main stream stuff like Bioprosthesis, Mechanical and now TAVR
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Also if AVR homografts are now not undertaken regularly that's a red flag for me, need to follow to expertise and what surgeons are doing to some degree.

agreed ... and that same red flag applies to my observations on the Ross.

The point about the diminishing of the Homograft is important and in my view should be directly applied to the Ross (and leave you asking questions as to why).

To me both have the same problems:
  • relatively (to the damand) small supply of tissue centres (with many closing down)
  • highly limited on tissue availability (recalling that donor tissue must pass all manner of tests including risks for infectious disease and ethics)
  • very high training level required in this highly specialised (in an already highly specialised) surgery
  • lack of surgeons and centers specialising in this

...was planning on asking about them.

You'll notice that I never say to anyone (except when the Ross is being touted) that you should get a homograft. I usually work with the most common valves being used today. The reason for this is that there is very little (relatively) data to be had and all of the problems that I've outlined above. To me the Homograft had its day and its now closing up and being replaced by other methods. I would not recommend you get a homograft for the same reasons that I do not recommend on getting the Ross.

Obviously the Ross can get around the tissue availablity by putting in a xenograft (aka a bioprosthesis) in the pulmonary position; meaning that no living tissue is needed. From Wikipedia:

Several adaptations of the Ross procedure have evolved, but the principle is essentially the same; to replace a diseased aortic valve with the person's own pulmonary valve (autograft), and replace the person's own pulmonary valve with a pulmonary valve from a cadaver (homograft) or a stentless xenograft.[1][4] It is an alternative to a mechanical valve replacement, particularly in children and young adults.[7] It avoids the need for thinning the blood, has favourable blood flow dynamics and the valve grows as the person grows.[7]

Both the Ross and the homograft were developed around a single primary issue: putting valves in young patients (think teenager and younger) which would allow the valves to grow naturally with the patients. In the case of the homograft the team at Chermside Hospital in Brisbane (yes I happen to know the centre) extended their study (initially started for children) to begin using the valves in older patients. There they discovered that the valves actually had better durability in those patients (not the paediatric ones).

For a long time the Ross languished ... one has to ask why the resurgence and what the motives are when the Homograft has not resurfaced (and does less damage to the patient).

I wish you all the best in your decision.
 
probably required reading for anyone considering the Ross

full text here:
http://circ.ahajournals.org/content/122/12/1139.full

Reoperations After the Ross Procedure

  1. Tirone E. David, MD


{Pellicle: some emphasis added by me in the following}

There is no perfect heart valve substitute, and the Ross procedure to treat aortic valve disease is no exception. In this issue of Circulation, Stulak and associates from the Mayo Clinic give a detailed account of the outcomes of reoperations on 56 patients who had the Ross procedure.1 The authors concluded that “a broad spectrum of complex reoperations may be required after the Ross procedure,” and that “patients and family members considering the procedure should be informed of the potential for associated morbidity should reoperation be necessary.” The reality, however, is that the Ross procedure is a complex operation, and one should not be surprised that reoperations are more complicated. The authors emphasized that 144 procedures were needed in those 56 patients. However, considering that the Ross procedure involves two heart valves and possibly the neoaortic root and the coronary arteries if the technique of aortic root replacement was used at the initial operation, one should not be surprised about the number of procedures at reoperations. Nevertheless, among those 144 procedures, the authors included enlargement of the pulmonary (28 patients) and aortic annulus (4 four patients) as additional operations when they are really part of valve replacement. Other procedures, such as replacement of the ascending aorta for aneurysm, mitral valve surgery, and atrial septal defect (19 patients total) have more to do with the patients' cardiovascular pathology than the fact that they had a previous Ross procedure. In spite of these complex and extensive reoperative procedures, only one patient died–a remarkably low operative mortality of only 1.8%. However, it is worrisome that within a median follow-up of only 8 months there were 4 additional deaths. Thus, one can estimate 1-year survival of approximately 90%, which is low for such a young population, and is probably the reason this experience raised concerns among the investigators. Based on this study, it was not possible to have an appreciation for the magnitude of the problem of reoperations after the Ross procedure, because the authors did not have the total number of patients at risk. Forty-three patients had the initial operation elsewhere and 13 at the Mayo Clinic. Those 13 patients were among a total of 39 who had the Ross procedure at the Mayo Clinic. Thus, approximately 1 in 3 patients operated on at the Mayo Clinic required a reoperation. Although this is a small sample size, the high proportion of reoperations may also have raised concerns among the investigators.
We recently reported the late outcomes of the Ross procedure in a cohort of 212 patients (mean age of 34 years in a range of 16 to 63 years) who were prospectively followed for a mean of 10 years and had assessment of valve function by echocardiography.2 An important finding in that study was that patients' survival at 15 years was similar to that of the general population, when matched for sex and age. Twenty patients required reoperations: 13 in the pulmonary autograft, 3 in the pulmonary valve, and 4 others. No patient died at reoperation. At 15 years, the freedom from reoperation on the pulmonary autograft was 92%, the freedom from reoperation in the pulmonary valve was 97%, and the freedom from any cardiac reoperation was 85%. Preoperative aortic insufficiency was the only independent predictor of reoperation on the pulmonary autograft. Valve function was monitored by periodical echocardiography, and at 15 years, the freedom from moderate or severe aortic insufficiency was 89.7% and the freedom from greater than mild aortic insufficiency was 63.2%. Because of the relatively small number of adverse events, we used the development of greater than mild aortic insufficiency to identify predictors of pulmonary autograft dysfunction. Male sex, aortic/pulmonary annular mismatch, aortic annulus =27 mm, and preoperative aortic insufficiency were associated with greater risk of late aortic insufficiency by log-rank analysis. Dysfunction of the pulmonary homograft was defined by the presence of moderate or severe pulmonary insufficiency and/or a peak systolic gradient =40 mm Hg, The freedom from dysfunction of the pulmonary homograft at 15 years was 70.8%.
There are only few publications on the Ross procedure that provide outcomes beyond the first decade, and the results have not been always as gratifying as in our series.3–4 Kieverik et al5 reported their experience with 146 patients with a mean follow-up of 8.7 years, and the freedom from reoperation on the autograft at 13 years was 69% and significantly better in patients <16 years of age than in older patients (92% versus 56.7%; P<0.02). In a report by Elkins and associates,6 who probably had the largest experience with the Ross procedure in North America, the freedom from pulmonary autograft failure was 74% at 16 years and was similar for children and young adults. As in our series, Elkins et al6 found that preoperative aortic insufficiency and male sex were independent predictors of pulmonary autograft failure.
...
A common criticism of the Ross procedure is that it creates double valve disease in patients who have only aortic valve disease. The pulmonary valve is usually replaced with a pulmonary valve homograft. The fate of the pulmonary homograft after the Ross procedure varies among reports, depending on how dysfunction is defined, but it is seldom a life-threatening problem. Failure of the pulmonary homograft is more common in children than in adults.4,10 However, the pulmonary homograft in children seems to be more durable after the Ross procedure than after other types of right ventricular outflow tract reconstruction for congenital heart diseases.11 With the advent of catheter-based pulmonary valve implantation, the problem of pulmonary homograft failure is being further mitigated.
...
We have to keep this problem in perspective, because aortic valve replacement is a palliative operation. There are a multitude of operations developed to treat aortic valve disease. Valve repair is an excellent palliation in certain patients with incompetent bicuspid aortic valve or aortic root aneurysm. However, in patients with aortic stenosis or aortic insufficiency due to advanced disease of the cusps, aortic valve replacement with a tissue or mechanical valve is the only effective treatment. Aortic valve homograft and bioprosthetic aortic valves have limited durability in children and young adults. Mechanical valves are more durable than biological and bioprosthetic valves, but they are far from perfect, because in addition to a constant risk of anticoagulation-related hemorrhage, thromboembolic complications, and prosthetic valve endocarditis, an ever-increasing number of patients are now being referred for reoperation because of prosthetic valve stenosis due to pannus two or more decades after aortic valve replacement. And these reoperations may also be very complicated because the pannus may become calcified, and reconstruction of the left ventricular outflow tract may be necessary before a new valve can be implanted.
.... The Ross procedure remains an important part of the surgical armamentarium to treat aortic valve disease in children and young adults, but we need more information on late outcomes of this operation.


As for myself I've had 3 "palliation surgeries":
  1. valvotomy at 10yo
  2. homograft at 28yo
  3. mechanical and ascending aortic artery graft (bentall)
At 60 (time of writing) I'm happy to say I'm pretty normal and live pretty normally. I hope all other valvers get at least as good.

Best Wishes
 
“anticoagulation is more important to me as a woman than it would be to most patients my age”

Definitely a factor to consider if you are still wanting to get pregnant. If that’s a factor for you I would recommend doing a consult with a perinatalogist to get a take on valve choice (and then you will also have one lined up, you’ll want one rather than a plain ob-gyn).

I had mitral valve repair via valvuloplasty at age 34 shortly after emergency C-section of my twins at 27 weeks. I didn't know I had valve problems so no chance to plan ahead. But definitely lucked out being able to do a non- OHS, native valve repair at age 34. Doubly lucky the native valve held up for 22 years after that (only 3% of that kind of repair lasts that long). I had OHS in October and chose a mechanical. The warfarin has been fine.
 
IMO, taking Warfarin should be a non-issue when making surgical choices. Multiple times on an "operating table" would be of more concern to me. FWIW, I've been on Warfarin since I was 31.....in the "dark ages" of anti-coagulation treatment, and I survived. Now, at 89(almost), I am still on Warfarin (57+ years) with few issues. Warfarin in this new enlightened age and with the INR system and home testing Warfarin should be a minimal issue for young people......if you can walk and chew gum at the same time;).

Uh-Oh, I just saw your later post that you are a woman and had some concerns about bleeding and childbirth. There have been many women who have had children while on Warfarin with no issue. I'd suggest you have a long conversation with medical professionals about the pros and cons of your decision. Regardless of your decision.......good luck.
 
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Anyone here had the Ross and care to share their experience?
just wanted to add that I don't recall a single member here being a Ross patient who was female. So just saying you may not hear from a member who's female and had the Ross.

I did some searching and found one
https://www.valvereplacement.org/threads/cough.887537/post-924343

I’m in the same situation. Had ROSS procedure on 3/29/22.

I recommend you reach out by direct message (called conversations here)

Best Wishes
 
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Anyone here had the Ross and care to share their experience?
My wife had one. You can read here:
https://www.valvereplacement.org/threads/ross-vs-mechanical.889507/page-2
A decade or two without anticoagulation is more important to me as a woman than it would be to most patients my age. I feel I would be accepting of switching to mechanical valves down the line were I to have issues with the Ross. It's just not wanting to be in that cohort with early failure I suppose and get the benefit and freedom of life without anticoagulation whilst I'm younger. Nothing in life is certain, but strongly inclined to go with the Ross at present.

Ideally, I'd like another 20 years without needing anticoagulation (in my early 30s now), but like to think I'd be accepting of and manage warfarin well in the longer term.
If it were me, I would rather be on anti-coagulation when I'm younger then when I'm older. As we age, we tend to be more forgetful (e.g. miss taking medication), become more susceptible to falling, require more medical/dental interventions, etc. which can make being on anti-coagulation more challenging/problematic. If you start on anti-coagulation when you are younger, you will be a pro at it when you get older.
 
Hello,

I am also UK based like you. I did consider the Ross for my first AVR, but one of the most famous Ross surgeons told me straight out that my aortic root was too dilated for Ross to be a durable solution.

I got a tissue valve for my first Aortic valve replacement. Only lasted 8 years. Now on mechanical the past two years. I think that the one-and-done is the best solution to be honest, despite the drawbacks of warfarin.

At your age, there is a very high probability that you will need multiple OHS in the future if you go down the Ross path. And everytime you have OHS, the probability of complications like pacemakets, AFIB increases a bit. You only get three relatively risk free OHS. And at your age who knows what the future holds? Many patients get mitral valve issues later in life. Also the probability of a mechanical being a life time solution is a 90% probability over 30 years. No other option offers that.

Now there is one case that makes sense to have a Ross. If you are female and you want Children, then I think the Ross is a good option, because warfarin is a contraindication for pregnancy. It can be done with warfarin, but it is challenging. So if you think you are going to have Children, then go for Ross.

But you should be aware that pregnancy and giving birth is a unique stress on your heart valves. There are cases on the German forum that I frequent once in a while, where the pulmonary homograft started leaking badly again after the second pregnancy some had post Ross (I think 4-5 years after the actual operation).

Good luck with your decision.
 
I will add that for me personally it is annoying that my valve is so loud (I have on On-X). With hindsight I should ahve gone for Medtronic open-pivot (formerly ATS) because valves are scientifically proven to be super quiet and you cant really hear it. That is the only regret i have about going mechanical.
 
Hello,

I am also UK based like you. I did consider the Ross for my first AVR, but one of the most famous Ross surgeons told me straight out that my aortic root was too dilated for Ross to be a durable solution.

I got a tissue valve for my first Aortic valve replacement. Only lasted 8 years. Now on mechanical the past two years. I think that the one-and-done is the best solution to be honest, despite the drawbacks of warfarin.

At your age, there is a very high probability that you will need multiple OHS in the future if you go down the Ross path. And everytime you have OHS, the probability of complications like pacemakets, AFIB increases a bit. You only get three relatively risk free OHS. And at your age who knows what the future holds? Many patients get mitral valve issues later in life. Also the probability of a mechanical being a life time solution is a 90% probability over 30 years. No other option offers that.

Now there is one case that makes sense to have a Ross. If you are female and you want Children, then I think the Ross is a good option, because warfarin is a contraindication for pregnancy. It can be done with warfarin, but it is challenging. So if you think you are going to have Children, then go for Ross.

But you should be aware that pregnancy and giving birth is a unique stress on your heart valves. There are cases on the German forum that I frequent once in a while, where the pulmonary homograft started leaking badly again after the second pregnancy some had post Ross (I think 4-5 years after the actual operation).

Good luck with your decision.
Thanks for sharing, nice to hear from someone else in the UK having gone through our system.

Can I ask where you had your surgery? And how old were you for each of them?

If I were male I'd go mechanical in the first instance at my age for sure, I want as little intervention as possible, I like being left alone and accepting I need to get this done probably wasn't as easy as it should've been for me. As you said about pregnancy, I would never contemplate a pregnancy on a mechanical valve and warfarin, that's madness to me, I know it can be done but it's way too risky. I know all too well the effect pregnancy can have on heart valves- I have a young baby.

What forum is this?
 
Having just been thru OHS - I would need a truly life changing reason to voluntarily sign up for repeat valve surgery. Just for freedom from taking some pills and doing regular blood draws for a few more years? No way on God’s green earth.
 
“anticoagulation is more important to me as a woman than it would be to most patients my age”

Definitely a factor to consider if you are still wanting to get pregnant. If that’s a factor for you I would recommend doing a consult with a perinatalogist to get a take on valve choice (and then you will also have one lined up, you’ll want one rather than a plain ob-gyn).

I had mitral valve repair via valvuloplasty at age 34 shortly after emergency C-section of my twins at 27 weeks. I didn't know I had valve problems so no chance to plan ahead. But definitely lucked out being able to do a non- OHS, native valve repair at age 34. Doubly lucky the native valve held up for 22 years after that (only 3% of that kind of repair lasts that long). I had OHS in October and chose a mechanical. The warfarin has been fine.

Very lucky you got through to an older age with a native repair, that's brilliant. Glad to hear you've been fine on the mechanical since. Is it noisy?

IMO, taking Warfarin should be a non-issue when making surgical choices. Multiple times on an "operating table" would be of more concern to me. FWIW, I've been on Warfarin since I was 31.....in the "dark ages" of anti-coagulation treatment, and I survived. Now, at 89(almost), I am still on Warfarin (57+ years) with few issues. Warfarin in this new enlightened age and with the INR system and home testing Warfarin should be a minimal issue for young people......if you can walk and chew gum at the same time;).

Uh-Oh, I just saw your later post that you are a woman and had some concerns about bleeding and childbirth. There have been many women who have had children while on Warfarin with no issue. I'd suggest you have a long conversation with medical professionals about the pros and cons of your decision. Regardless of your decision.......good luck.

Multiple times is a concern to me as well. It's less the warfarin (I can manage that unless I'm one of the unlucky ones who naturally struggles to stay in range) than losing the freedom of how I might like to live I suppose for me. Thank you for taking your time to share and respond.

just wanted to add that I don't recall a single member here being a Ross patient who was female. So just saying you may not hear from a member who's female and had the Ross.

I did some searching and found one
https://www.valvereplacement.org/threads/cough.887537/post-924343



I recommend you reach out by direct message (called conversations here)
Thank you for finding this.

Best Wishes
My wife had one. You can read here:
https://www.valvereplacement.org/threads/ross-vs-mechanical.889507/page-2



If it were me, I would rather be on anti-coagulation when I'm younger then when I'm older. As we age, we tend to be more forgetful (e.g. miss taking medication), become more susceptible to falling, require more medical/dental interventions, etc. which can make being on anti-coagulation more challenging/problematic. If you start on anti-coagulation when you are younger, you will be a pro at it when you get older.
I understand what you're saying about warfarin, make sense, I have no concerns about managing it whatsoever whatever the age I start.
 
Having just been thru OHS - I would need a truly life changing reason to voluntarily sign up for repeat valve surgery. Just for freedom from taking some pills and doing regular blood draws for a few more years? No way on God’s green earth.
I understand this. It's a shame I'd be in the cohort to benefit more in a lifestyle change way, things are often easier when you have the decision taken away from you and not the option of choice! I don't even want to have one OHS, I like to convince myself I'm well.
 
Yeah both times I felt like I had a slam dunk choice - repair via valvuloplasty was an incredible opportunity the first time, and for this recent round the surgeon told me the valve was definitely irreparable and that a tissue valve would probably only last me 3 years (I have rheumatic heart disease and am only 56). Not too tough to make a decision for mechanical in that case. And I had symptoms both times too (shortness of breath and coughing up blood pre repair; shortness of breath, afib onset and a TIA pre OHS). Pretty damn clear intervention needed and the best route. Even though it’s obviously no picnic the clarity is easier for sure.
 
My valve isn’t noisy, no. I can hear it if it’s really quiet and I have my mouth open. Sounds like a watch ticking quietly.

What lifestyle things are you thinking you’d lose with warfarin? I’m not anticipating needing to change anything.
 
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