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ALCapshaw2 said:
OK, curiosity has gotten the best of me...

Angela, why are you and your mother going to Cedars Sinai in Los Angeles CA when the #3 ranked Heart Hospital (DUKE) is in your own backyard?

'AL Capshaw'
We also consulted at Duke for this surgery, as I am much more familiar with them. (We send our patients there regularly from my hospital when needing more advanced care...) The doctors there have been awesome with contacting me, but their statistics aren't as good as Cedars-Sinai for what mom needs, and the docs that would speak with us did not have a high number of these procedures "under their belts". In the end, mom just feels much safer in the hands of Dr Raissi and his team in L.A. But Duke was my first choice also to start with.
 
BAV Pt's daughter said:
SNIP The doctors there have been awesome with contacting me, but their statistics aren't as good as Cedars-Sinai for what mom needs, and the docs that would speak with us did not have a high number of these procedures "under their belts". In the end, mom just feels much safer in the hands of Dr Raissi and his team in L.A.
Sounds like good reasons to me...
How did you get them to talk to you and to divulge their numbers? Face to face appointments or telephone? I've only met one surgeon willing to communicate by phone or e-mail and one who was barely willing to answer any questions even in person.

'AL Capshaw'
 
Just my opinion...

Just my opinion...

First of all, I just want to say welcome to VR.com! This place is the best to find any kind of answers you might be looking for...

I had OHS just a couple months ago, but before my operation I found this website. It really helped me through the rough times. But now my surgery is over...and I am very VERY happy :D

If I was you, knowing what I have been through, I would just get them both done and over with...I think if you have something wrong with your body, you should get it fixed ASAP...especially when it comes to your heart. I understand that sometimes the doctors like to "wait things out" but if they are suggesting that you have this done soon, then you should have it done soon ;) I honestly think the worst part of the surgery was the whole waiting game...they wanted me to wait to have my valve replaced and I ended up waiting a whole year. To the average person that might not seem like a very long time...but to me it was a year of pure hell. Everyday I woke up wondering if I was going to make it through the day. It was a very stressfull time (not to mention I had a newborn baby to take care of..but he is a different story :p ) My point is just get it over with and move on with your life..there is to much out there to experience then worrying about heart surgery...

As for what valve to pick....very tough decision. Everyone has their own opinion on why they choose their valve. I think the biggest thing to take into consideration is how comfortable you feel with having another operation. Tissue valves usually don't last forever...(keep in mind that mechanical ones are not always 100% re-op free) so having another operation would more than likely be in your future. I ended up with a mechanical valve (st. jude) but since I am still pretty new to it, I guess I don't know how I feel about it just yet. As far as everyone has told me, I can do pretty much anything I want, I just have to be more careful is all. I do feel better knowing that my chances for another operation are much lower then if I were to have a tissue. Overall, I think I would have choosen the mechanical one either way...I guess since the choice was really made for me (the type of surgery I ended up having required a mechanical valve) I don't know what more to say.

Good Luck with WHATEVER you choose...hope to hear more from you soon..Take care :)
 
Hi Deane!

I can't add much to the wealth of information you've already received. I can only suggest that your surgeon may have some important input as to his recommendations at this time. He may say something like "We'll have to see what the valve looks like when we get in there. . . " or something like that. It may just be that you have to leave it up to him, and to have a first and second choice for valve selection in the event that he feels it is the right time to replace that bicuspid valve.

Others have said, and rightly so, that many (majority?) bicuspid valves give their owners no trouble at all during their whole lives, but if they are in there, would you like to risk another trip to the OR to try to get a few more good years out of your valve?

Granted, I'm a bit older than you (57), and still using my bicuspid valve, but my own opinion is that I'd rather do this only once. See if your surgeon will honestly discuss it with you, then you will be better prepared to decide.

Welcome to The Waiting Room! Enjoy your stay, even though it is likely to be a short one.
 
Welcome! I'm going to play devil's advocate here and encourage you to at least explore options available for keeping your own bicuspid valve as long as you can. You'll be less prone to getting a heart infection, probably won't require anticoagulants, and might not need to consider your valve choices for another 20 years or more, when there could be new and better products available.

There is an operation (I believe it is called the David's Operation? Might need one of our medical experts to confirm this) that is designed for just this situation - fixing the aortic aneurysm while preserving the valve. Five weeks out from my own aortic valve and aneursym replacement, I agree with others who have said it is hard to imagine going through this all again. However, I think it's in your best interests to (as much as you can! :) ) objectively evaluate the risks and benefits of all your options before making a decision. Best of luck, Kate
 
This is not to precipitate a Mech. vs. Tissue debate, but there does exist a mechanism whereby hard mechanical valves can be corroded and the chemistry of blood affected:

I searched for "cavitation and damage to mechanical heart valves" on medline and found 16 citations, although none of the recent ones are about new generation mechanical valves with observed damage, some older generation mechanical valves suffered from this sort of damage resulting in either failure or increased propensity to cause blood clots. If you use a better search term maybe you can find more citations.

http://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/entrez/...+mechanical+heart+valves&tool=QuerySuggestion

Not making a claim for tissue vs. mechanical valves but I think if there is a chance your native valve can be saved -- my opinion is it is worthwhile to pursue.
 
ALCapshaw2 said:
Sounds like good reasons to me...
How did you get them to talk to you and to divulge their numbers? Face to face appointments or telephone? I've only met one surgeon willing to communicate by phone or e-mail and one who was barely willing to answer any questions even in person.

'AL Capshaw'
Al,
I dont like to throw around my title, but in this case, I did ( I am assistant director of nursing). Between that and the cardiologists name where I work, both docs at Duke picked up the phone immediately. I was rather impressed by their communication efforts. As far as getting the numbers, that was like pulling teeth, but I am a rather persistant little bugger when it comes to my momma. The numbers they finally admit to are NOT the numbers they first give you though. You have to dig it out, being very specific....
Dr. Raissi on the other hand was very upfront about everything, and even gave me his cell phone number to call him any time (even when he was on his vacation) which just added to the feelings we already had about him.
Thanks for asking!
 
djexec said:
Im very much a newbie on the VR.com forum so I will begin by telling you all a little about myself & my condition. I am a 36yr old very active male who was diagnosed 6 years ago with an aneurysm on my ascending aeorta measuring 5.2 cm as well as a bi-cuspid aeortic valve. My father had the same conditions and underwent OHS at age 65. He opted for the St. Judes valve.
Since learning of my conditions, I have been going for regular checkups every 6 months. The aneurysm has not increased at all in size BUT as of my most recent visit, I was told that the parameters under which they now recommend surgery have changed. Whereas for the past 5.5 years I was told that once my aneurysm reached 5.5 cm they would recommend operating, I was told a month ago that it has now changed to 5.0 cm and therefore they are suggesting that I have surgery very soon. If I must have surgery sooner rather than later, I am shooting for mid November '05. My questions are as follows:
1. If my aeortic valve is operating ok at present with little to no insufficiency, can I just have the aneurysm fixed & wait on the valve?
2. If I can wait on having the valve replaced, is there safe minimially invasive technique to repair the aneurysm as opposed to traditional ohs?
3. I have read most of the postings on the arguments for each type of valve replacement and I must say that they were very helpful. I am leaning towards a tissue versus mechanical mainly because of my own perceived quality of life issues but I welcome any further comments to this decision.

Lastly, thank you to everyone who has taken the time to post information on this forum it has been an incredibly valuable resource to me!

Deane
I had an aotic valve replacement on September 26....I had no symptons and it was picked up on a routine physical exam. After several opinions I chose minimally invasive surgery, tissue valve. If you are in good condition, this is the way to go. Right now I can drive locally and was told I can lift 15 lbs in my work out. I feel stronger every day and wil be off Cumadin on Nov. 15. I spent 4 days in the hospital. NYU Med in NY. good luck....Maryann 1941
 
ATLANTA Surgeon suggestions?

ATLANTA Surgeon suggestions?

Well after my latest echo and most recent MRI, the findings are conclusive that my aneurysm is 5.2cm at the widest point. The report says that it is fusiform in nature and that it ends at the take off of the right innominate vessel. There seems to be mild to moderate aortic insufficiency and some calcification & thickening of the leaflets but no stenosis. I go in next week for my cardiac cath & I'm still undecided on my valve selection however I will be discussing this with the surgeons I interview. Any recommendations for CT surgeons Atlanta area would be greatly appreciated. Meanwhile, I will begin the interviewing process with the surgeons my cardiologist suggested, Dr. Alan Wolfe & Dr. James Kauten. Once again I would like to send a HUGE THANK YOU to all who have taken the time to post replies to my thread & those of you who have taken the time to contact me personally.

From the waiting room..... deane
 
PapaHappyStar said:
This is not to precipitate a Mech. vs. Tissue debate, but there does exist a mechanism whereby hard mechanical valves can be corroded and the chemistry of blood affected:

I searched for "cavitation and damage to mechanical heart valves" on medline and found 16 citations, although none of the recent ones are about new generation mechanical valves with observed damage, some older generation mechanical valves suffered from this sort of damage resulting in either failure or increased propensity to cause blood clots. If you use a better search term maybe you can find more citations.

http://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/entrez/...+mechanical+heart+valves&tool=QuerySuggestion

Not making a claim for tissue vs. mechanical valves but I think if there is a chance your native valve can be saved -- my opinion is it is worthwhile to pursue.

While we all agree on your statement in the last paragraph, I don't think there is anything in these studies to fight about. These studies don't cite even one valve that was "damaged" to the point of needing to be replaced. One study said the incident of cavatation damage was low. These reports use word like "suggest" and "may" but nothing was very deffinitive. Bjork-shiley have long been known for defective strut welds on certain models. Whether or not cavatation adds to the problem is debatable, but you still have the defective strut problem.

"mechanical valves suffered from this sort of damage resulting in either failure"
Could you point out to me the report of a valve that failed due to cavatation?


The problem is damage causes wear- NOT waring out! The point of these studies is to understand the wear process and to improve mech. valves. Nothing in these studies said that mech. valves weren't durable. It kind of like stating that you when you replace the tires on your car, heat and friction
will cause damage to the tire- while that is true, it is normal. Lets face it- life wear us out, ending badly for us all. :)
 
djexec said:
Well after my latest echo and most recent MRI, the findings are conclusive that my aneurysm is 5.2cm at the widest point. The report says that it is fusiform in nature and that it ends at the take off of the right innominate vessel. There seems to be mild to moderate aortic insufficiency and some calcification & thickening of the leaflets but no stenosis. I go in next week for my cardiac cath & I'm still undecided on my valve selection however I will be discussing this with the surgeons I interview. Any recommendations for CT surgeons Atlanta area would be greatly appreciated. Meanwhile, I will begin the interviewing process with the surgeons my cardiologist suggested, Dr. Alan Wolfe & Dr. James Kauten. Once again I would like to send a HUGE THANK YOU to all who have taken the time to post replies to my thread & those of you who have taken the time to contact me personally.

From the waiting room..... deane


Deane,

Why the cath? I would be careful about the cath. The mri picks up everything neccessary, why increase the risks? My surgeon does not require it and is really against ccaths for Bicuspids.
 
OK I'm pretty new to this and don't feel like doing my homework.lol. I read all these posts about no problems with coumadin. So I ask what are the problems with the drug?

I would love to have somebody that has spent the time to research all the pro' and con's of which valve to get to write them down on this thread. Kinda of a Ben Franklin if you will.I just can't seem to get a handle on this. I read one post and I lean that way, then I read another and I lean that way. I am a pretty decisive guy but for some reason I just don't know what to do.
Thanks

BTW I'm 54 and have aortic valve stenosis.
 
RandyL said:
OK I'm pretty new to this and don't feel like doing my homework.lol. I read all these posts about no problems with coumadin. So I ask what are the problems with the drug?

I would love to have somebody that has spent the time to research all the pro' and con's of which valve to get to write them down on this thread. Kinda of a Ben Franklin if you will.I just can't seem to get a handle on this. I read one post and I lean that way, then I read another and I lean that way. I am a pretty decisive guy but for some reason I just don't know what to do.
Thanks

BTW I'm 54 and have aortic valve stenosis.

Randy,
It would be hard to write down a list of pros and cons as it applies to all
situations, however TobagoTwo has done about as good a job as can be done.
He will be along to point you to his exhuastive primer on the topic. Don't worry about "leaning"- it happens to all of us.
 
RCB said:
"mechanical valves suffered from this sort of damage resulting in either failure"
Could you point out to me the report of a valve that failed due to cavatation?


The problem is damage causes wear- NOT waring out! The point of these studies is to understand the wear process and to improve mech. valves. Nothing in these studies said that mech. valves weren't durable. It kind of like stating that you when you replace the tires on your car, heat and friction
will cause damage to the tire- while that is true, it is normal. Lets face it- life wear us out, ending badly for us all. :)

here is something on the fda web-site -- a bit dated ... 1995, newer mechanical valves are better

http://www.fda.gov/cdrh/ost/reports/fy95/fluid.html#anchor1668654

and an article whose full text I couldnt find:
http://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/entrez/...d&dopt=Abstract&list_uids=10503622&query_hl=7

Without being an expert in any sense on mechanical valves, here is what I picked up during my decision phase:

Mechanical valves obviously work very well for many poeple ... there are many healthy, active people on this site with them. They rarely fail and are your best bet if you want to avoid another valve surgery.

The catch is something about their dynamics/interaction causes changes in blood chemistry and deterioration in the smooth surface of the valve, many researchers think it is the rate of pressure and temperature changes around edges as they accelerate and decelerate while opening and closing. This leads to a statistically greater chance of clot formation as the valve ages, from what I have read this does not happen with tissue valves.

Early valves were explanted with cavitation induced failure; new smooth, hard surfaces ( pyrolytic carbon ) are better at resisting damage due to cavitation but the mechanism which induces cavitation still exists -- creation of regions of low pressure around sharp, hard edges.

This is the main argument for tissue valves and why many clinics implant them even when they eventually cause re-stenosis and need replacement.

I think everyone who studies their options while facing VR knows much of this in one guise or another -- meaning I have just been stating the "first principles" of VR:

-- mechanicals last longer but require anti-coagulation to resist side-effects due to blood damage.

-- tissue valves deteriorate faster than native valves and mechanical valves and many people will need to almost certainly face multiple surgeries.

and according to some papers, which make sense to me:
-- Mechanical valves have a mechanism by which their surface erodes ( due to friction from imperfect materials and design )

My hope for myself is -- by the time I need repeat VR there is a new valve on the market which has a good enough hemodynamic profile to not cause progressive damage to blood chemistry, and is biocompatible and durable enough to last me the rest of my life. BONUS: it can be implanted via catheter.

( promised myself I wouldnt get long winded on this subject -- but there's a song in my native tongue which says: No worthy promise is easy to keep ... or something like that :)

Best of luck to all who need to make this decision -- its not an easy one and it helps to talk about it to a large extent, but a vast majority of people end up ok either way.
 
Cardiac Caths

Cardiac Caths

coryp said:
Deane,

Why the cath? I would be careful about the cath. The mri picks up everything neccessary, why increase the risks? My surgeon does not require it and is really against ccaths for Bicuspids.
Has anyone else in this forum been recommended against receiving a cardiac cath prior to surgery? :confused:
 
djexec said:
Has anyone else in this forum been recommended against receiving a cardiac cath prior to surgery? :confused:

I had one the day before my AVR - I guess I thought it was pretty much standard procedure.
The way my cardioloigist explained it was that there is a certain inherent margin of error with echocardiograms and the cath could measure more precise pressure gradients.
He also mentioned they liked to use the cath determine if there was anything else that needed to be done while they had me opened up the next day.
In my case the thing that none of the pre-op tests showed was the level of calcificaton of my valve - my surgeon said afterwards that it was one of the worst ones he had ever seen and that I was lucky to have the AVR when I did.
Mark
 
Hello Randy

Hello Randy

RandyL said:
OK I'm pretty new to this and don't feel like doing my homework.lol. I read all these posts about no problems with coumadin. So I ask what are the problems with the drug?

I would love to have somebody that has spent the time to research all the pro' and con's of which valve to get to write them down on this thread. Kinda of a Ben Franklin if you will.I just can't seem to get a handle on this. I read one post and I lean that way, then I read another and I lean that way. I am a pretty decisive guy but for some reason I just don't know what to do.
Thanks

BTW I'm 54 and have aortic valve stenosis.

Randy,

FYI....I was 53 when they found my valve problem....about like you are right now. I had an AVR in March(at age 56) and feel much better than before. It is weird how the difference isn't noticeable til it is fixed. I opted for a tissue valve and flew from Sarasota to Boston to have it done. I had many reasons...but number one was I didn't want to feel like a patient the rest of my life. I am very happy with my choice but it is such a personal one that you have to let yourself come to the decision that is right for you. There are many ideas that float around here on both sides of the coin.
Ironically, when I sought out a specific valve and surgeon we were in complete agreement on the type. In Sarasota they were much more reluctant to give me a tissue valve! they were really pushing mechanical.
Good luck to you and trust in who you chose to do the surgery and the valve that goes with that choice!
Fondly,
Karen
 
starkone said:
Randy,

...In Sarasota they were much more reluctant to give me a tissue valve! they were really pushing mechanical...

I was 47 when had my AVR done at Sarasota Memorial by Dr. Martin Beggs. Both he and my cardiologist Dr. Rick Yaryura spent a lot of time with me discussing my options, including minimally invasive procedures. I never felt I was "pushed" in one direction or the other - they left the final decision completely up to me.
I chose a mechanical primarily to avoid the increased risk associated with re-ops.

Mark
 
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