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windsurfer

I found a time on pump poll on VR.com in early 2002 and the shortest AVR pump time was 45 minutes. Now 3 years later I wonder if the times have decreased or is it still about an hour per valve plus extras like CABG, attempting repair, fixing aneurysms,...

Bobco
 
Some are much longer then an hour. I don't remember how long I was on it, but it was more like 4 hours or more.
 
Bobco,
I don't have my surgery report so I can't answer your question. My total surgery time was three hours, so it couldn't have been that long.
 
4 1/2 for me. Against recommendation from surgeon, postponed surgery a month. Was told it cost an extra 1 1/2 on the table. He said he had to get "creative" to put the pulmunary valve in the aortic position.
 
I saw my surgery report last month, and I think I was on the pump for maybe an hour and a half? I had a mitral valve repair. :)

Liza
 
Time on Pump

Time on Pump

Well, it's exactly one-year ago today for me (July 6, 2004). My time on the bypass machine was 159 minutes (aortic valve & aorta replacement; i.e. Bentall Procedure).
 
Looked Dick's record up- bypass time 106 minutes, cross clamp time 64 minutes. No "pumphead", well no more than most Seniors have. :)
 
pgruskin said:
Looked Dick's record up- bypass time 106 minutes, cross clamp time 64 minutes. No "pumphead", well no more than most Seniors have. :)


This may be dumb, but what is "pumphead" :confused:

Thanks,
Michaelena
 
Michaelena,

This not a dumb question but a good one :). This is an overly simplified explanaton but here it goes. A pumphead is simply someone who has been on the heart/lung machine. During open heart, the heart is stopped. However, the blood is oxygenated from the heart/lung machine (pump) and circulated to the organs. The process is continously repeated as it normally does in the body.

Karl




Michaelena said:
This may be dumb, but what is "pumphead" :confused:

Thanks,
Michaelena
 
Michaelana,
The following article best explains "pump head".

"Four years ago, a widely publicized study struck fear into the 500,000 Americans who undergo heart bypass surgeries each year.

Researchers reported that more than two of five patients suffered long-term declines in their mental abilities.

"Pump head," as the condition is called, was blamed on heart-lung machines that pump patients' blood while their hearts are stopped during surgery.

Following surgery, patients with pump head find their memory is off. They also have difficulty with crossword puzzles, balancing checkbooks, recalling words or driving familiar routes. And they might get easily frustrated or experience wider mood swings.

But recent studies, which have received less media coverage, have found that pump head is not as widespread as previously reported.

"Pump head is a real phenomenon," said Dr. Todd Rosengart of Evanston Northwestern Healthcare. "But if you do the operation correctly, it is rare."

A recent study by Rosengart found that bypass patients generally scored as well on mental agility as a similar group of heart patients who did not have bypasses.

Many researchers believe the widely reported 2001 study had flaws that may have exaggerated the problem. Moreover, recent improvements in surgery likely have reduced the chances of getting pump head.

Bypass surgeries are performed on patients with clogged coronary arteries. The surgeon takes one or more healthy blood vessels from the chest or leg and grafts it to the heart, bypassing the blocked artery.

Pump controversial



Because it's difficult to operate on a beating heart, surgeons often stop it and connect the patient to a heart-lung machine. The pump oxygenates the blood and keeps it flowing.

Putting patients on the pump has raised several concerns. The surgeon has to clamp the aorta, the main trunk of the circulatory system, potentially releasing a shower of loosened plaque and other gunk. If the debris travels to the brain, it can block small blood vessels and cause damage. Tiny air bubbles from the pump also could cause blockages in the brain. Finally, lowering blood pressure while the patient is on the pump could cause cognitive problems.

In 2001, Duke University Medical Center researchers reported in the New England Journal of Medicine that 42 percent of bypass patients still experienced pump head five years after surgery.

Researchers tested 261 patients' short-term memory, attention, concentration, language comprehension, etc. Older and less-educated patients suffered the biggest declines.

At the time, lead researcher Dr. Mark Newman said it's devastating for a patient "to have a successful operation that prolongs life but diminishes the quality of that prolonged life."

Study's major flaw



The study had a major weakness, though. Patients weren't compared with a similar group of heart patients who didn't have bypass surgery. Without such a control group, researchers couldn't rule out the possibility that cognitive declines were caused by the patients' heart disease, not the operation itself.

In 2003, Johns Hopkins University researchers published results of a pump head study that did include a control group, and the results were reassuring. Researchers found "no statistically significant differences" between bypass patients and similar heart patients who didn't have the operation.

Researchers concluded that any cognitive problems following bypass surgery may be temporary and reversible within three months.

Newman, the Duke researcher, now says the jury still is out on whether pump head is caused by the operation or by the disease. But whatever the cause, "the concern is still there."

After the Duke study, more surgeons began doing a bypass operation in which the heart never stops beating. The goal is to eliminate pump head by not putting patients on heart-lung machines.

At its peak, about one-third of bypass surgeries were done on beating hearts, said University of Chicago heart surgeon Dr. Jai Raman. But the procedure is technically difficult, and as concern over pump head has waned, the number of beating-heart surgeries has dropped a bit, Raman said.

Meanwhile, surgeons have improved pump techniques.

To reduce debris, surgeons are doing less clamping and unclamping of the aorta. And new clamp designs further minimize the amount of debris released.

Newer heart-lung machines maintain blood pressure closer to normal levels and are able to oxygenate blood without making tiny bubbles.

Pump head "used to be very common in the '70s, '80s and early '90s," Raman said. Today, the incidence "is dramatically lower.""
 
Phyllis and Dick,

Thanks so much for your detailed explanation of "Pump Head." It all makes sense now. To make a long story short, in 1984 I had MVR, I was 36. I have always been a numbers type of gal (accountant). When I went back to my job, I found I had trouble doing simple computations in my head (prior to surgery I could look at a column of numbers and total them), there were other things too.

I mentioned this to my cardio and he dismissed it, said that it was probably due to my son who at the time was only 10 months old, and moms can be so distracted by their kids. I thought this made sense but have been troubled by it for a long time. I shared my difficulties with my husband, he was the only one who would listen, but could not offer any reasons. I thought there might be a connection for my difficulties to my OHS, and after thinking about it for a long time, at first I thought the anesthesia was the culprit, but then I thought maybe the heart lung machine, but could not prove it or put a name to it. I didn't know where to start looking, the internet was not available at the time, so I just put it in the unexplained (mystery) file.

A couple years ago I had a head MRI, it showed two arteries blocked. The neuro said that it must have happened during my OHS. The article you quote, now confirms that it was the heart-lung machine. I delivered the film from the MRI to the surgeon doing my forthcoming surgery, I am hoping the same will not happen again (big worry).

I have compensated in my work. Most people don't know I have these difficulities, I just use the excuse, I am a little tired, brain working slowly, oh yes, I used the menopause excuse too.

I sure hope techniques have improved, I can't afford losing anymore gray matter. Sorry this ran long, I just had to get it off my chest. At least there are some people who understand.

Many thanks again,
Michaelena (Pump head?)
 
Not sure I believe any Duke study since they botched up that blood transfusion (oh, you mean the blood types don't match??)

But glad to know the pumphead thing is a minor concern - I have plenty of trouble thinking right already!!

Patty
 
Pump not used

Pump not used

I posted this somewhere else, but maybe it should have been here, I had a chance to talk very briefly with the doctor I believe I will choose for my surgeon. He comes with a great reputation. I didn't have an appointment but he had a minute for me between 2 open heart surgeries scheduled for that day. He will be replacing the Aorta valve, probably with a synthetic valve. He said he does all these replacements "off the machine". I am wondering if anyone can tell me if this should make recovery easier & quicker. I am still hoping to find someone who had theirs done this way.

This is an old post. I later found out the doctor had not read my chart, and thought I wanted bypass surgery. That is often done on a beating heart. I don't think valve replacement is.

windsurfer said:
I found a time on pump poll on VR.com in early 2002 and the shortest AVR pump time was 45 minutes. Now 3 years later I wonder if the times have decreased or is it still about an hour per valve plus extras like CABG, attempting repair, fixing aneurysms,...

Bobco
 
Pumphead

Pumphead

Ok I dont want this to happen to me! I am already losing my mind a little every day! ;)
All joking aside, does anyone here have any experiences of "going to the light" or anything bizarre like that? I know it is crazy but I think about that!

Debbi
 
hard to believe

hard to believe

qtson said:
He will be replacing the Aorta valve, probably with a synthetic valve. He said he does all these replacements "off the machine".

I wasn't aware they could replace the aortic valve off pump. It seems like it would be difficult to do with a beating heart or hard on the organs and brain if no circulation during the hour or so it would take. But I do remember hearing about a doctor doing beating heart valve work down in Florida - not sure which valve or if a replacement.

Bobco
 
Bypass time

Bypass time

Slap my wrist if you like for bringing up an old thread but I found this one when searching for pump head!

My surgery notes say "Cardiopulmonary bypass time was 125 minutes, and the aortic cross clamp time was 104 minutes" I was apparently cooled to 28 degrees C.

I only have the first page of my notes so it only goes up to the replacement of the mitral valve, th aortic valve replacement would have been on the other page!
 
I'm not sure exactly how long I was on the heart/lung machine either, but when I asked how long I would be before surgery he said the surgery would take 4 hours and I would be on the machine about 2. My surgery only ended up taking 3 hours though...so maybe an hour and a half?
 
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