The Great ER Visit(s) Of Ross

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Ross

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Saturday morning 1:15am, I wake up with my face covered in blood and pillow just saturated. I go to the bathroom, cut up some gauze pads knowing that the seeper I've had since surgery was probably at it again. I shove a pad in and bite down, then clean my self up since I looked like a werewolf that just fed.

1:30 am, pad saturated, going for pad number 2. 2:00am going for pad 3, then 4 then 5 and so on until Lyn gets up for work at 3. I tell her I'll be fine as soon as I get it stopped. She leaves for work thinking nothing more of it.

Gauze is not working. Lets try a tea bag or two for a bit. It's now 4:15am. I take the 3rd tea bag off and it seems to have worked. Replace it with gauze pad and sit in chair to catch a little sleep. Sometime during my short nap, the gauze fell out and I had a gusher going. Now I'm freaking! Grab more gauze shove it in and get my INRatio and test. 3.2. OK I'm in range and yes, there are clots forming, but they are not sealing the opening. They just build and build until my mouth is full.

I start trying to call Lyn at work....No one answers the damn phone. OK I'm bleeding majorily here. Screw it, call for an ambulance. 4:45 paramedics get here. They take my vitals look in my mouth and then proceed to tell me that they cannot take an ambulance out of service to transport me to the hospital. Sort of making me feel like an ass for even calling them. They call the ER and they tell them that even in the ER, there is nothing they can do, that I have to contact my dentist. They say the bleeding has stopped and that I have it controlled. Have me sign a patient refusal form, tell me if starts again, just call and they'll come back.

Now it's nearly 6:00am and I've continued to put pad after pad in and spit out clot after clot because my mouth was full. I call the dental clinic and leave the phone ring for nearly 10 minutes before an answering service answered. I explained that I had all my teeth removed there a week before and that I have one area that I cannot control the bleeding, that I had already called an ambulance and they had already called the ER and that I had to contact the dentist NOW.

The resident on call finally calls me about 45 minutes later and I have to sit with my mouth full of gauze, bleeding all over, with every word coming out of my mouth, and hope this guy can understand me. I can tell right now, this is a green horn and he's feeling like Bambi stuck in headlights. He's not sure what to tell me and then said he was going to try the doctors that did my surgery.

It's now 7:45am when he calls back and says he'll meet me at the ER, to get to the hospital. I still can't get a hold of my wife at work. Screw it, call the ambulance again. They weren't real happy to be back, but I explained that my car is broke down, I can't get a hold of my wife and there is no way I can drive myself bleeding like this. They agree to transport. 9:05am, we are pulling up to the ER doors.

I'm sitting in the ER bleeding away just as always. Got to fill out all the red tape and answer the same questions over and over and over. about an hour later, the ER doc comes in and looks at me and says, " You'll have to see the people that took your teeth out"! I'm friggin furious now. I've been bleeding for well over 9 hours now and to hear this just blew my cord. I told him, as I told every friggin nurse that came in to contact the dental resident on call as he was waiting for me to get there. "Oh why didn't you say so?"

Greenhorn shows up about 30 minutes later. I know I'm in deep trouble when the first words out of his mouth are "Why are you taking Coumadin and Warfarin?" I had to explain to him that Coumadin is the brand name of the anticoagulant and that Warfarin was the generic name. God help me! I'm bleeding to death and I have an imbecile to deal with here. He tries direct pressure to no avail, next up, hemostatic gauze pad from the surgery department, same stuff QAS sells. It's not even slowing it down. I'm amazed at greenhorn. He knows about TRANEXAMIC ACID MOUTHWASH and orders it from the pharmacy which takes forever to get it done. It finally comes and I swish with it for 2 minutes and spit it out. No more blood! I'm starting to feel a little more at ease. Suddenly the river starts all over again.

Greenhorn starts calling other doctors and comes in and tells me I'm being admitted that he's done all he can do. I'm begging for this cat to listen to me and get some plasma ordered and going in case it is a Coumadin issue. He's not budging. I told Lyn and Chris, because they are now there, to get on the phone and call anyone that knew anything about anticoagulation and tell them I need them NOW. This guy is saying he's going to leave me be for 3 or 4 days until my Coumadin level drops and he's going home! I'm going to be dead in 24 hours at this rate of bleeding.

He said he's turning this all over the attending physician because it's now out of his hands. I'm questioning why I'm being admitted if there isn't anything more he can do? I mean come on, I'm here with uncontrollable bleeding and your walking out on me. I tell Lyn and Chris to call this Dr. that he mentioned and pray she knows something about anticoagulation.

About the time Lyn gets up to go call some more, in comes Dr. Norch. I'm in tears here, just absolutely losing it and praying she's not an idiot too. She agreed that we should, even though I'm in range, knock the INR down with plasma. Lyn asked why not Vit k and she told her that she could, but wouldn't because it makes it hell to get therapeutic again. Thank God! An Angel is in my presences.

They transfer me from the ER to a room. Get IV's going, but hold the ship! Ross doesn't have a plan that covers this hospital and his insurance is denying coverage for this incident. There is an all out fight going on to get my plasma and other drugs, plus room and board covered. I can't believe this now. Not now!!!!!!!!!!

Finally, someone at the insurance company knew what was going on and as far as I know, covered it because I got my plasma and other things about another hour later.

Plasma flowing. 2 units of plasma and my INR is down to 1.8. I'm still gushing non stop. I don't know if you've used or seen those vacuum containers that they suction you with, but I was filling those at the rate of 2 per hour. The nurses on the floor were freaking and called the medical supervisor about it and had him come up. Greenhorn was called back in and told that he had to do something, that I was bleeding out right now and cannot wait any longer.

It's now 6 something in the evening. In comes Greenhorn and another resident, which is the guy I saw on my initial contact with the Clinic, Dr. Levani. I have no fight left. I'm just glad to see that Greenhorn got someone to help him. I know he didn't know what he was doing, though he was made to do it. My room has now become an operating room. 2 doctors stitching away on my bottom jaw and 3 nurses providing operating room flashlight lighting. They restitched my entire bottom jaw. Walla, bleeding stopped and no longer happening. Now I get my Morphine and Ativan and something to eat for the first time in 24 hours.

I don't care that Greenhorn was just that, I only wanted him to own up to what he didn't know, educate himself and get back in the saddle and do something. In the end, he did the right thing, but why did it have to take all freaking day to get to that point?

People my nerves cannot take anymore of this crap. I don't know if I'm going to be getting more bills or not. I can only assume that I am because I have to fight for everything and fight in this fashion all the time. I'm tired. Anemic, stressed out, sorry, I have no reserve left!
 
OMG, my BP has gone up just from reading about your ordeal.....I can't even imagine what it must be like to be refused for an ambulance and medical care when you were obviously in need. Horrible.
 
Oh, sweetie. Of course you are tired and anemic. But to say that you have no fight left is a dishonor to your own valiant self. You are a fighter. This too shall pass. In your deep down self, you were ready for this inevitability and you showed up at ER with your self-respecting boxing gloves on. GOOD FOR YOU!!!

Now you are stitched up, hopefully on the mend again and ready to face another day. I think you have "duty" as your middle name and I have every faith in you that your personal strength is battered but intact.

So try to look around you for the good stuff, sigh a lot, relax those shoulders, give in to the remaining recovery period and hang in there!!

We all will be sending prayers and good vibes your way.

Best wishes,

Marguerite
 
I am so sorry this happened to you. It's a terrible story. Why didn't your original surgeon stitch you up in the first place knowing you had to be on Coumadin?
 
I am so sorry this happened to you. It's a terrible story. Why didn't your original surgeon stitch you up in the first place knowing you had to be on Coumadin?

There were 4 doctors that worked on me originally. Two were out of town and state and the other would not come in and told the resident to handle it. He was perfectly capable of doing so, just scared to death to do it. It hurt like hell, but I didn't care if that's what it took to put a stop to it.

I intend to ask just exactly why none of the originals would come in. I have a feeling Greenhorn didn't want to appear as though he couldn't handle it to his superiors at my expense.

Granted, they did stitch me up originally, but with disolving stitches. The upper jaw stitching is now starting to come apart, but I never had any seepeing from it. I did have a seeping problem from day one with the lower jaw, but it appeared to be controlled. Just until the stitch let totally loose. The bottom is now stitched with stitching that does not disolve and will have to be removed when the time comes.
 
Ross- I don't know how you kept your cool as long as you did! Glad your finally back on the road to better health...
 
Good Lord, what an ordeal. I assume the oozing from your bottom jaw has stopped now and your readings are back up.

Sit back and relax and try to think of happy thoughts Ross.
((((hugs)))))
 
If I could kiss this lady, I would. I mean to tell you, there is nothing like having someone who knows anticoagulation when you need them to be there!

My New Hero, Dr. Elena Norch

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American University of the Carribbean '98
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Aultman Hospital: Canton, OH '02 (Internal Medicine)
 
Ross, I'm sooo sorry you had to go though alll this. Glad you found a dr that could help what an angel sent. Theres still those angels watching over you Ross don't give in. Try to get some rest and recop from all that bleeding. You will continue to be in my prayers and thoughts.
 
What an ordeal

What an ordeal

This is unreal:eek:

My pressures gone up (LOL)

Id be dealing with the original Dr. not coming in

I wouldn't have been able to handled this,id'a lost it totally

Why are you on coumadin and warfarin??:eek::eek::mad:

woulda been my start point,ooooohhhhhhhhh Ross

Yet it shouldn't surprise me happens here all the TIME TOO.

Thank God you got a good Dr. in end result and as Freddie

says (send a card ) they are few between for doctors.

Get some much deserved rest Ross.


zipper2 (DEB)
 
Ross ~ I'm so sorry you had to go through such a harrowing event. I hope the rest of your recovery is uneventful. Hopefully, you can get some rest now. Take care, Dawn-Marie
 
Ross: I am so sorry to hear this. What a horrible ordeal! I have many thoughts on the whole thing, but I better keep them to myself. We all knew something was wrong, because as soon as you were able to post after the teeth removal surgery, you posted. Then nothing! I'm glad they got you stitched back up! What were they thinking?

Don't stop fighting! I can understand how exhausted you are, and I know that can wear you down. Keep up the good fight my friend.

I will keep you in my thoughts and prayer!
 
So sorry you went through this horrible ordeal, but so thankful that Dr. Norch came to the rescue. Rest up Ross- many many hugs and prayers coming your way!
 
Dude...that post scared the crap out of me, I can't imagine being in your shoes. It just blows me away at the lack of knowledge that some have around anti-coagulation. What is even more scarey is the fact that some docs don't see patients as people and simply try to pass the buck along to someone else. They have no idea how that plays with a patients mind ! I'd rather a doc tell me "Hey, Im in over my head and I need to get someone down here to help you" rather than best guessing or BSing their way through.

Glad your home now, hopefully things heal up and you can put this mess behind you for good....
 
Rossman

Thank God you are OK!!! Wow, what a post!!! I would have been screaming
"BLOODY" murder....no pun intended. Now rest and relax and start healing all over again.

Evelyn
 
Dude...that post scared the crap out of me, I can't imagine being in your shoes. It just blows me away at the lack of knowledge that some have around anti-coagulation. What is even more scarey is the fact that some docs don't see patients as people and simply try to pass the buck along to someone else. They have no idea how that plays with a patients mind ! I'd rather a doc tell me "Hey, Im in over my head and I need to get someone down here to help you" rather than best guessing or BSing their way through.

Glad your home now, hopefully things heal up and you can put this mess behind you for good....

Exactly! I don't mind that the guy is new and learning, but for cryin out loud, show some balls and do the right thing as it comes to you. In the end, he did the right thing, but he spent all day trying to get someone to back up his behind and that was uncalled for. You can't imagine the thoughts running through my head when this guy is virtually saying he's done and going home.
 
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