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Gnusgal

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Well, I go in for my TEE first thing in the morning. I'll let you all know how it went as soon as I am sober enough to do so. ;) Gotta love versed. Vallium has never worked for me (makes me cranky instead), but this summer I got to try the "milk of amnisia" I'd heard so much about. I certainly am glad they have it. I love that I remember NOTHING from my last TEE, and just hope that this hospital will use the same drug (I plan to request it). And it starts working SO quickly...

Anyway, thanks for all your help so far. Hopefully I will have some answers this time tomorrow... Keep your fingers crossed for me!
 
Yep, VERSED does wonders for eliminating any awareness of 'procedures'.

One caution, even after you come to, while you may function and converse with people, it is possible that you will have NO recollection of what you do or say for up to a few hours following the procedure.

It is best to have someone drive you home and stay with you until the Versed wears off. Years ago I remember a doctor telling me one of his patients called him from hundreds of miles away asking him how he got there!

'AL'
 
TEE

TEE

Hi Niki.

I hope the TEE went well for you today. I don't know what they gave me when I had mine but I didn't have a care in the World.
Thank goodness for modern medicine and good drugs!!!

Tammy
 
Hello Niki-

Glad you're done w/your TEE. They're not fun. Hope everything turned out well. Sounds like you've been through a lot of procedures. Bless your heart. I don't remember any drugs I was given, but I do remember they sprayed my throat to numb it. I was sick for 3 weeks after mine. Ucckkkk!!

-Jackie
 
Niki, I'm hoping the TEE goes well for you. I was lucky...they did mine during my surgery.

Versed is the stuff. I had my cath the night before my surgery, and I've lost the memory for a day on either side of it. I don't even remember going off to surgery the next morning.

Let us know how it went....
 
That Versed is the strangest stuff. I had it for three days when they were doing particularly nasty stuff to me. Apparently, I cooperated, talked, and responded to requests, but I have zero memory of those days...a total "black hole" but I am grateful since I have never had any bad dreams about those experiences.

Hope the TEE went great.

--John
 
All over?

All over?

Well, the TEE is over and done. From what I am told by my husband (I don't remember talking to the docs at all thanks to Versed) they found nothing abnormal. They THINK that what they saw on the echo last week was the little tendons that connect the natural valve to the heart wall, but they must not have been clipped out in surgery. Apparently it is nothing to worry about. My card is trying to get me started in cardiac rehab and hopes that will help with my SOB. If it doesn't help, she thinks it might be that there is a small bit of fluid in the paracardial sac around my heart that could be constricting my heart. Guess we'll wait and see.

After the TEE my hubby took me home and I crashed in the bedroom instantly (barely even remember walking in there). A few hours later I woke up feeling VERY cold, despite being under the covers. But my skin was extreemly warm, so I took my temp. I had a temp of 101.4. I called my card's office and they did not think it had anything to do with the TEE and made an appt for me with my PCP. I went, they couldn't find anything to treat (other than fever) and said to wait until my blood culture results came back. If something showed up, they would give me antibiotics, but they didn't want to do that until they knew it was something that needed them, so I wouldn't build up an immunity. I'm greatful for that. So I'm back home, still have a slight fever, and think I may go back to bed. It's been an exhausting day. Thanks for all your kind thoughts and messages. I appreciate it!
 
Well, the fever is completely gone and I'm feeling much better. I have no idea what it could have been from. Guess we may never know... Now it's off to work!
 
Wishing you the best

Wishing you the best

I think I might be getting a TEE next so I want to hear all about it! Let us know and know we are with you!

Lisa
Heart to Heart:)
 
The TEE is fun! SO LONG AS THE SEDATION HITS FIRST! I lucked out and was with the program for about the first few minutes. After enough of the beautiful drug Versed, I don't remember a thing until after the procedure. They spray the back of your throat with a numbing agent. Mine was supposed to taste like bananna, but I swear it was more like black licorice. Hurricaine is what mine was called.

A better TEE is one that is done while your out during surgery. ;)
 
TEE and End or Bronch

TEE and End or Bronch

If I understand right the TEE sounds very much like the broncosopy or endoscopy that I had! I remember it welll until the drugs took effect.... They found a hyetal hyernia and some of my lung problems at the begining.

Lisa
Heart to heart
 
TEE

TEE

Niki and Lisa, hope your TEE procedures go well. Ken has had two and the versed has been wonderful for him - no recollection of anything - just slept most of the rest of the day as the meds wore off. I think that going back to the hospital for any reason must be especially stressful for those of you who've already been through so much. Hang in there; you've got a lot of us who'll be thinking about you and praying for you.

Ken had his last TEE last Thursday so they could determine if his two TIA's were due to any clots or vegetations. Results came back normal, but cardio. is ordering a blood test to check status of CHF since he gained about five pounds last week. The test is called "BNP" (Brain Natriuretic Peptide) and is supposed to give fast results. Not sure how informative it will be since I assume he's still in some form of CHF since his heart is still enlarged with a post-surgery EF of 30-35%. Has anybody ever had this test? Was it helpful?
 
BNP is supposed to be a very good test. It'll certainly help a lot of people. My husband has, in the past, been misdiagnosed with bronchitis, when he really had a very bad case of CHF, with serious lung consequences.

Here's some info on it.

"Press Release
SOURCE: Biosite Incorporated
New England Journal of Medicine Features Role of BNP Blood Test In The Emergency Diagnosis of Congestive Heart Failure
Circulation: Journal of the AHA Spotlights BNP's Ability To Reduce Clinical Uncertainty
SAN DIEGO, July 18 /PRNewswire-FirstCall/ -- Studies published in the July 18th issue of The New England Journal of Medicine and in the July 23rd Circulation: Journal of the American Heart Association support the value of B-type natriuretic peptide (BNP) in the diagnosis of congestive heart failure (CHF) and provide data supporting BNP's prevalent role in reducing the level of uncertainty among emergency department personnel in the diagnosis of congestive heart failure.

"In the study, BNP was the single most accurate predictor of congestive heart failure," said Alan Maisel, M.D., director of the coronary care unit at the San Diego VA Healthcare System and lead author of the New England Journal of Medicine study. "BNP performed better than both the National Health and Nutrition and Examination Survey (NHANES) and the Framingham criteria, arguably the current most accepted risk factor data for congestive heart failure diagnosis."

The publications relate to data compiled from a multi-center emergency department study that evaluated the diagnostic utility of BNP measurements in patients who were acutely short of breath. The study utilized the Triage® BNP Test, a rapid, point-of-care diagnostic tool developed by San Diego-based Biosite Incorporated (Nasdaq: BSTE - News). The blood test, which received FDA clearance in November 2000, achieved diagnostic accuracy of 83 percent, when used alone, without physician examination or traditional tests. This compares to a rate of 67 percent for NHANES criteria and 73 percent for the Framingham criteria.

"In today's busy emergency rooms, physicians are challenged to make fast and accurate diagnoses in order to ensure that patients receive appropriate treatment in a timely manner," said Maisel. "The study demonstrates that even without physician input, the BNP test offers a higher degree of correct and quick diagnosis."

In addition to evaluating accuracy, study investigators sought to determine the degree to which BNP adds to clinical judgment in the diagnosis of CHF. Emergency department physicians recorded the pre-test probability (clinical certainty) that the patient had CHF for 1,538 of the 1,586 participants who presented with acute shortness of breath (97 percent). A Bayesian analysis was used to determine the extent to which the BNP test contributed to an accurate diagnosis. The analysis revealed that physicians were clinically uncertain in their diagnosis of CHF in 43 percent of the patients. By augmenting clinical judgment with a BNP blood test at the point of care the clinical uncertainty was reduced to 11 percent.

"Significant indecision can accompany diagnosis, when physicians must rely on subjective or time consuming diagnostic methods. Reducing that uncertainty is a critical step in proper treatment, which may lead to cost efficiency and better patient outcomes," said Peter McCullough, M.D., M.P.H., chief of cardiology at the University of Missouri-Kansas City School of Medicine and lead author of the Circulation study. "We were able to show that this blood test is more efficient in correctly identifying congestive heart failure than all the conventional tools available to the physician in the emergency department," he added.

The study is the first prospective, blinded international multi-center study to definitively examine the use of BNP as a test to evaluate emergency room patients who are acutely short of breath. Of the patient population, 744 patients (47 percent) had a final diagnosis of CHF, 72 patients (5 percent) had a history of CHF but their shortness of breath was due to non- cardiac causes, and 770 patients (49 percent) did not have CHF. Two independent cardiologists, who were blinded to the BNP results, adjudicated these diagnoses.

The 1,586 patients recruited for the study ranged in age from 18-years-old to 105-years-old. Seven centers (two in Europe and five in the United States) participated in the study. Almost half of the patients were women; almost half were African-American, and about half were Caucasian.

Maisel concludes that BNP testing significantly adds to clinical judgment in diagnosing CHF. "Data support the use of this test for patients who present to emergency rooms with breathing problems and suspected congestive heart failure," said Maisel. "It appears that while blood tests for cardiac markers (creatine kinase, troponin I or myoglobin) have become essential to the diagnosis of a heart attack, the BNP blood test has now become integral to the diagnosis of CHF."

Drs. Maisel and McCullough are consultants to Biosite. The study was sponsored by Biosite.

About the Triage BNP Test

The Triage BNP Test is currently the only blood test used in hospitals to aid in the diagnosis of CHF. In approximately 15 minutes, the test measures circulating levels of BNP, which are elevated during heart dysfunction in both symptomatic (late-stage) and asymptomatic (early-stage) CHF patients. The portable test can be used in hospital emergency departments, clinical laboratories, and heart failure clinics to enable efficient and accurate diagnosis of patients who are experiencing shortness of breath or other symptoms associated with CHF.

Shortness of breath is a vague symptom common to a number of diseases. Critical time is spent trying to distinguish between non-cardiac and cardiac causes of this symptom. The Triage BNP Test can be performed at the point-of-care and offers rapid results, which allows CHF treatment to be administered in a timely manner.

Biosite secured a semi-exclusive license to BNP from Scios Inc. (Nasdaq: SCIO - News) in 1997. The license covers technology and patents for use in developing a test that aids in the diagnosis of CHF by measuring levels of BNP.

About Biosite

A leader in the drive to advance diagnosis, Biosite Incorporated is a research-based company dedicated to the discovery and development of novel protein-based diagnostic tests that improve a physician's ability to diagnose debilitating and life-threatening diseases.

The Company combines integrated discovery and diagnostics businesses to access proteomics research, identify proteins with high diagnostic utility, develop and commercialize products and educate the medical community on new diagnostic approaches that improve health care outcomes. Biosite's Triage® rapid diagnostic tests are used in approximately 50 percent of U.S. hospitals and in 40 international markets. Information on Biosite can be found at www.biosite.com .

Except for the historical information presented herein, matters discussed in this press release are forward-looking statements that are subject to certain risks and uncertainties that could cause actual results to differ materially from any future results, performance or achievements expressed or implied by such statements. Statements that are not historical facts, including but not limited to statements that are preceded by, followed by, or that include the words "will"; "believes"; "should"; "intends"; "anticipates"; "plans"; "expects"; "estimates"; or similar statements are forward-looking statements. Risks and uncertainties include risks associated with sales, profitability, product discovery and development. Other risks that should be considered include, risks associated with expansion or development of a direct sales effort in domestic and international markets, and risks and expenses associated with litigation, contract disputes, patent conflicts, product recalls, manufacturing delays, shipment problems, seasonal customer demand, the timing of significant orders, changes in reimbursement policies, competitive pressures on average selling prices, changes in the mix of products sold, and the other risks detailed in the Company's Annual Report on Form 10-K, Quarterly Reports on Form 10-Q and other SEC filings. The Company disclaims, however, any intent or obligation to update these forward-looking statements. Copies of the Company's public disclosure filings are available from the investor relations department.

Biosite® and Triage® are registered trademarks of Biosite Incorporated. New Dimensions in Diagnosis(TM) and the Company's logo are trademarks or service marks of Biosite Incorporated.

SOURCE: Biosite Incorporated"
 
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BNP Test

Nancy, thanks so much for all of the information on this test. It's too bad that none of the doctor's Ken saw from January through May this year recommended it since his "asthma/bronchitis" was obviously CHF. Love these HMO's!
 
It's not just the HMOs, I guess it's been a tough call in the past. But now with this new test, there are NO excuses for making that kind of stupid mistake.

I hope that everyone here and everyone who is reading these messages, insists on the blood test if they suspect CHF.

My husband went on for four months with it and eventually had to have a thoracentesis and then a lung thoracotomy and decortication. He was in bad shape.

It was a nurse practitioner who made the original diagnosis. That person will be out of the loop from now on.

Heart patients-breathing problems-squishing sounding lungs-no improvement with antibiotics---DUH! maybe it's not bronchitis.

BNP test to the rescue.

Did I sound too mean?
(I hope so) :D
 
I was lucky to not remember any of my TEE except the initial spray of the throat (which tastes AWFUL!!!!!). After that there is nothing. It's a little disconcerting that people came in and talked to me and I have no recolection whatsoever, but there is NO WAY I want to remember the procedure. My regular card came in to help the guy who was actually doing the TEE (because my anatomy is so odd most people can't figure it out right away) and I don't recall her being there at all. She talked to me, but I didn't even know she showed up until my hubby informed me later that day. So I called her today to find out exactly what she had told him. This is what was found:

Nothing abnormal showed up. They were able to see the Paracardial sac a bit more than "normal" but there was not fluid. My card thinks it MIGHT be possible that the paracardium has hardened, and is constricting my heart when I am active (giving me the SOB I've been experiencing). She is HOPING that cardiac rehab will do the trick, and so am I. In the mean time, she is sending my echo and TEE results to my surgeon to look over and get his opinion. She is going to get me into rehab as soon as possible. I asked her what could be done if the rehab doesn't help and it IS the paracardium causing the problem. She told me they could go in and actually remove it from around my heart (I believe she used the term "strip if off" :eek: ) which would mean more OH surgery. I am PRAYING that rehab works. I really don't want to have my chest cracked open yet again (especially since I know it won't be the last time, either). Now I just hope I can fit rehab into my schedule. Teaching isn't the most flexible of jobs...

Thanks for the virtual shoulders!
 
Niki,
I am so glad it went alright for you, you have been through enough this year. I just got (borrowing) a tredmill, docs never recommended rehab, just get a tred mill and walk two miles a day. I am feeling better since I started the tred mill Sunday, I am almost up to a mile. Walking out side was too distracting and there are little hills that I never noticed before. The tredmill keeps me on track. You are in my prayers !!!
Best of Luck and Keep in touch,
FAYE
 
Niki,
I hope rehab does the trick for you. If you want to research the surgery you described (removal of the pericardium), the technical term to search on is "pericardiectomy." The condition of the pericardium interfering with the heart's beating is called "constrictive pericarditis."

Keep us posted on how rehab goes...we're rooting for you!

--John
 
Rose,
Take this report to the doctors who misdiagnosed your husband. I also was misdiagnosed by my PCP with bronchitis and pneumonia to the point that I was perhaps only weeks short of death. I still go to him -- he's such a nice guy -- and I did take him a report about this or a similar test so that he perhaps won't make the same mistake again.
 
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