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ShezaGirlie said:
You may have hit upon something... Will the statin drug be out of your system completely within a month? Keep us posted please.
I quit in March and it took a little while and probably my muscles are still trying to get back to normal, but within about a month I was feeling relief. The half life of Lipitor is about 14 hrs, so it should come out of the body quickly - the effects of it will take longer. I am not back to normal, but it is 85% better and I walk anywhere I want - no cane - no walker. Just me., all by myself! S'wonnerful

Heather, I complained about the muscle pain about 4 yrs ago and my cardio NP suggested COq10 along w/the Lipitor so there must be something to it, medically speaking, I guess - you might add that to your mom's regimen, especially if she stays on the statin. Our body mfgs it anyhow so it won't hurt her.
 
Hi
I have been on a statin drugs for years and the lastest was crestor. Have since stoped it but are till having trouble witth my legs and muscles. I have restless leg sym. too.I tthink I might as well give my body to be a science experience why ther are a few things worth using for anything.
 
Here's an article by Dr. Mercola on the statins like Crestor - I didn't know of the article "August 2003 American Journal of Cardiology found that lowering bad cholesterol with statin drugs may not reduce the rate at which plaque builds up in the arteries surrounding the heart." I'll have to try to get a copy of that article to show my doctor when he tries to make me take the statins.

From:
http://www.mercola.com/2003/nov/8/crestor_statins.htm#
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Crestor and Other Statins: Are They Really Worth the Risk?

By Dr. Joseph Mercola
with Rachael Droege
With at least 12 million Americans taking cholesterol-lowering drugs, mostly statins, and experts? recommendations that another 23 million should be taking them, it?s no wonder that the drug companies are scrambling to get their piece of the pie by releasing new and ?improved? statin drugs.

AstraZeneca just released their new statin called Crestor (generic name rosuvastatin). According to the company, Crestor is less expensive and more effective than similar drugs like Pfizer?s Lipitor, which is currently the statin market leader, taking in about $8 billion of the $13 billion total statin sales in 2002.

And while it appears that the drug may be slightly better than other statins at raising good (HDL) cholesterol levels, there are loads of safety concerns surrounding the drug. For instance, the highest, 80-milligram dose of Crestor could not be approved because of serious side effects including muscle and kidney damage. Some say the drug may produce side effects even at lower doses, and caution that patients should be closely monitored when on the drug.

Of course, all statins pose risks, so the question of which statin is most dangerous is somewhat tongue-in-cheek. Dangers of statin drugs include, but are not limited to, a potential increase in liver enzymes so patients must be monitored for normal liver function, muscle aches, weakness, immune system suppression, an increase in cancer risk, and a serious degenerative muscle tissue condition called rhabdomyolysis.

Naturally, one would assume that with the extensive list of side effects associated with statins, they must be doing some pretty good things. Well, what statins do do is lower cholesterol levels, that is true. But if lowering your cholesterol is your goal, why not try a healthy diet with little to no grains and sugars? This will work in the majority of cases. On a side note, eliminating sugar and grains will inevitably cause beneficial side effects, such as normalizing your weight, increasing your energy and lowering your blood pressure and triglycerides.

But suppose that lowering your ?bad? (LDL) cholesterol was not actually the key to lowering your risk of heart attacks and heart disease? Would you still want to risk all of those statin side effects? Well, this is just what several research studies have found, raising the basic question of whether statin drugs even work to lower the risk of heart disease.

One study, published in the August 2003 American Journal of Cardiology found that lowering bad cholesterol with statin drugs may not reduce the rate at which plaque builds up in the arteries surrounding the heart. This finding flies in the face of the widespread belief that lowering LDL cholesterol levels is the best way to reduce arterial plaque. In the study, participants taking varying doses of a statin did generally lower their cholesterol. However, all the groups had an average increase in arterial plaque of 9.2 percent.

Another study published in the December 2002 Journal of the American Medical Association looked at the effect of statin drugs versus usual care (improving diet, exercise, etc.). While the statin group did lower their bad cholesterol levels significantly more than the usual care group, both groups had the SAME rates of death and heart disease.

In light of these reports, and the known dangers of statin drugs, you would expect some major news in the area of statins, but the studies received hardly any mainstream media coverage. As with many health care issues, you?ll have to sort out the truth for yourself.
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I've been resisting my doctors' efforts to put me on cholesterol prescriptions for years, on the theories that: 1) usually, the less medication the better; and 2) the side effects from medications are often potentially worse than the condition they are supposed to treat. I'm feeling a bit vindicated now. Thanks for starting this thread!

:mad: The pharmaceutical industry makes its billions on treating our ills, not curing them. Not unlike bandages on gangrene.
 
And just maybe......my father does not really have Parkinsons! It could be his Statin! Afterall there is no definative test for PD.

Ok, we need to start our very own degree process here at VR.com so we can doctor ourselves and loved ones. ;)
 
Hi All,
My primary Care Dr. put me on Crestor back in the summer and it messed up my INR someting real bad plus I had musle cramps like crazy! Two weeks and they had to double my wafarin aand I crashed after they stopped the drug. I would never take it again! I know everybody has different side effects to drugs. But I seem to have the worst even ones they don't list. The cardiologist said it wasn't supposed to effect the INR but sure did mind.
Just be careful trying any new drug.
 
Lipitor gave my mother in law Parkinsons. Her MD even admitted it as it was the only different thing in her life and it occured so fast.She started feeling stiff and crampy the next day after starting it. Crestor has been also getting a bad rap lately with alot of complaints from patients so be careful with that one.Might find the FDA pulling that one off the market. Metagenics has an alternative to the statins called Cholarest. I am friends with a naturopathic doctor who highly recommends this to her patients with cholesterol problems in place of the statins.Not sure if ok with coumadin but i can find out if anyone interested. Metagenics is known for their human clinical trials for safety, efficacy and high quality. They sell to health professionals only so you can't get it over the counter. AzPam
 
Hi Pam,

Thanks for the info. I found this description on a site that sells Cholarest. It would lead me to beleive that having a "postive effect" on the platelets would increase ones INR. Also, if one would have blood pressure on the low side.would this be safe? If you could look into it further...that would be great!
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More than half of all adults in the USA have total cholesterol level over 200.
CHOLAREST is a remarkable natural product that promotes healthy blood lipid synthesis and metabolism with no incidence of serious adverse reactions.
Maintaining healthy cholesterol levels, CHOLAREST can have a beneficial impact on cardiovascular health.This effect was observed in relatively short time periods ( 12 to 24 weeks).
Cholarest SC features policosanol, a natural compound derived from sugarcane that delivers powerful, natural support for healthy blood lipid levels and other important factors related to cardiovascular health.
Supports healthy lipid metabolism.Supports the health of arterial walls by preventing lipid peroxidation.
Positively effects platelet function, which is an important factor in supporting healthy blood flow.Helps to maintain healthy blood pressure levels already within normal range.
 
Yikes!!!!

Yikes!!!!

I just read the article and a few of the posts on this thread, and I am wondering if it's the Lipitor now making me tremble from time to time....I mean where azpam had said that it gave her mother Parkinsons, I wonder if this will happen to me considering my Cardio just boosted my Lipitor Dosage from 10 mg. to 40 mg a day....Yikes!!!! :eek: :eek: :eek: :eek: :eek:
 
Wow, this is all really scary....I am on Lipitor, have restless leg syndrome and various aches and pains etc. But, untreated my cholesterol (familial) hovers around 400 and I already have one totally clogged artery and one carotid is being followed as it is about 40- 60 % blocked. So, clearly something is going on. Maybe I am one of the people who needs to stay on it.

On the other hand, my father, who had high cholesterol, lived until 79, and my mother will be 89 next month...hers is high, but not as high. He wasn't treated until late in life for his cholesterol.

Quite a dilemma. No point in discussing it with the cardio or pcp as they will most definitely say to stay on it. I will have to do some more research.
 
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CoEnzyme q10

HeatherK said:
Thanks for the advise Hensylee! I think I've talked her out of taking them, for the time being anyhow. She's going to get second opinions on whether she needs them or not, from the PCP and the surgeon. So we'll see what the other doctors say, and go from there.

BTW, a friend of mine takes statin drugs, and she was told by her doctor that she also needs to take something called CQ10? She said it was like a vitamin or something? Was anyone else told this, or know anything about it?

Thanks,
Heather K.

Heather:
there are studies and the first patent on statin drug (mevacor, MercK) that recomment 150 to 200 mg of CoQ10 every day if you are on statin drugs. It is because the statin drugs block the production of cholesterol in the liver and they also stop the production of CoQ10, which is vital for muscle, nerve and other bodily functions. I was on zocor for 2 years and developed phase II dyastolci dysfunction and was told I would probably need a heart transplant to live long enough to raise my children. My did not improve for about 18 months. I then started taking CoQ10 and mannatech nutrients and within 4 to 6 weeks had a significant improvement in heart function and now, my dr doesn't think I will need a transplant. I am still on Lipitor but will probably stop it due to all the other issues related to it. I personally don't think that cholesterol is such a big issue anyway. Cherie
 
Last May my cardio had me start taking Lipitor to lower cholesterol. In just a few weeks I had a hard time funcitoning. My congnitive skills went out the window. I would find myself looking at my hand (at work) trying to remember what I wanted to write... certainly a very strange feeling. I did stop taking the meds and my thinking skills came back... :)

I was glad to read the article about others reaction to the meds... I was beginning to feel a little crazy...

bethanne
 
8 month update on Hensylee

8 month update on Hensylee

I started this thread. Guess you need an update from time to time. It's been 8 months since I quit Lipitor. Just this week, I realized, that improvement is still coming. My muscles seem to function better and better; walking is so much smoother and the muscle cramps and pain are gone. I feel good most days; before, I felt bad most days so maybe there was more than muscle problems going on. I am a whole other person now. For the better.

I had a cardio appt yesterday and went over cholesterol numbers for a couple of yrs. They were lower when I was on Lipitor so Lipitor does its job as far as lowering cholesterol. In fact my nmumbers were excellent.

I stopped Lipitor in March 2004, had a lipids done Sept 2 and numbers were up, but the cardio said they are not up that much; that was encouraging. He had given me Zetia in May, but I have had much major family matters going on and just couldn't seem to get in the rhythm of taking the Zetia, so, in effect I have to say that it can't be counted for these 8 months at all. In effect, then, I would have to say I was on no cholesterol lowering medicine during these 8 months. I am religious again about taking the Zetia so next blood test should show whether it's doing a good job.
 
I have reduced my Pravachol from 40mg to 20mg per day and also am feeling much better, but I can't help wondering if I would be 100% with no statin. My PCP has suggested adding Zetia to the Pravachol and I didn't want to add another drug so I would be very interested to know how you fare on the Zetia alone, Ann and if you suffer any side effects. Keep us posted. I'm so glad that you are feeling so much better.
 
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