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hensylee

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Tomorrow evening (Monday) Dan Rather is reporting on his nightly newscast about statins and their possible unpleasant side effects. If you get it and others don't, please come in and report back. I intend to try to listen and if so, I will post. Never know what might come up to interrupt at our house.
 
I just noticed your post today so I din't see the show - was it on "60 minutes?" I did find this article on a CBS news site - perhaps this is related?

From:
http://www.cbsnews.com/stories/2004/05/24/eveningnews/main619351.shtml
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Statins' Mind-Boggling Effects

CBS) When Jim Matthews needed to slash his cholesterol and heart attack risk, he joined the millions taking the world's top-selling drug, Lipitor.

After five weeks, he was struck by cognitive chaos and confusion.

All of a sudden, he found himself asking: "Did I go get the mail or did I just think I was going to go get the mail? Did I give my dog her thyroid pill, or did I just think I gave the dog the thyroid pill?"

He couldn't function for hours.

When he came back to his senses, he suspected Lipitor was to blame, but only found one glowing report after another on Lipitor and similar drugs - all called statins.

In fact, some doctors are so high on statins, they seem to think most everyone should take them, that there's no down side. Lipitor's maker even says it may help Alzheimer's patients.

But researcher Dr. Beatrice Golomb warns the studies generating the bulk of the positive press were funded by the companies that make the drugs, like Pfizer, which earns $9 billion a year from Lipitor.

"I made the decision that I really didn't want to take money from the drug industry," says Golomb.

Funded by the government and not the drug makers, Golomb is taking an independent look at studies already done on statins, pinpointing severe muscle problems, which Pfizer has disclosed, and cognitive dysfunction -- not mentioned in patient leaflets.

"We have people who have lost thinking ability so rapidly that within the course of a couple of months they went from being head of major divisions of companies to not being able to balance a checkbook and being fired from their company," says Golomb, an assistant professor or medicine at the University of California in San Diego.

Golomb says statins do help the heart, but may also hamper the brain's performance and trigger other serious problems. She's leading an independent clinical trial to find out what harm statins may be doing. The results should be out in a few months.

Pfizer told us Lipitor's safety is supported by peer reviewed articles and scores of studies,"including the most extensive statin clinical trial program ever conducted." Pfizer "collects all available safety information...and shares (it) with regulatory authorities worldwide."

That may be fight for most patients, but Matthews isn't looking for a repeat of his mental meltdown. He's taking a new tactic: trying to tame his cholesterol with diet and exercise

"Up with the good cholesterol, down with the bad," he says.
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That's the one; I watched it on Nightly News/Dan Rather/CBS. I had found, in my searches about Lipitor, this discussed, but have not heard of any cases of the cognitive impairment. Just the muscle things. It will be interesting to hear the results of this doctor's research.
 
hensylee said:
That's the one; I watched it on Nightly News/Dan Rather/CBS. I had found, in my searches about Lipitor, this discussed, but have not heard of any cases of the cognitive impairment. Just the muscle things. It will be interesting to hear the results of this doctor's research.
There are some articles on the net that alledge the way the statins can cause muscle pain is because the statins lower CoQ10 levels in the body.

Here's another aticle about Dr. Golomb -

From:
http://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/entrez/...ve&db=pubmed&dopt=Abstract&list_uids=15028853
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1: QJM. 2004 Apr;97(4):229-35. Related Articles, Links

Severe irritability associated with statin cholesterol-lowering drugs.

Golomb BA, Kane T, Dimsdale JE.

Department of Medicine, University of California, San Diego, CA 92093-0995, USA. [email protected]

BACKGROUND: As use of a drug becomes widespread, the full spectrum of its effects becomes clearer. Although a link has been suggested between low or lowered cholesterol and irritability/aggression, less is known about possible links between irritability and statins. AIM: To assess the possible connection of statin usage to severe irritability. DESIGN: Case series. METHODS: Six patients referred or self-referred with irritability and short temper on statin cholesterol-lowering drugs completed a survey providing information on character of behavioural effect, time-course of onset and recovery, and factors relevant to drug adverse effect causality. RESULTS: In each case the personality disruption, once evident, was sustained until statin use was discontinued; and resolved promptly with drug cessation. In four patients, re-challenge with statins occurred, and led to recrudescence of the problem. All patients experienced other recognized statin adverse effects while on the drug. Manifestations of severe irritability included homicidal impulses, threats to others, road rage, generation of fear in family members, and damage to property. DISCUSSION: Case series invariably raise more questions than they can answer. These case reports suggest that severe irritability may occur in some statin users. Although this adverse effect may be rare, potentially life-threatening adverse effects of drugs must be taken seriously.
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I wonder, did any of these studies focus on dosage or length of time on the statins?
 
The dangerous side of Statin Cholesterol Lowering Drugs.

The dangerous side of Statin Cholesterol Lowering Drugs.

This is what Dr. Mercola thinks about Statin Cholesterol Lowering Drugs.
Click on the following link please and educate yourself.
Why does more than half the population all of a sudden need to be on these high powered, dangerous, expensive Statin Drugs?

http://www.mercola.com/article/statins.htm#
 
Why does more than half the population all of a sudden need to be on these high powered, dangerous, expensive Statin Drugs?

Could it be because . . . they're expensive???

My last cholesterol level was 135. I can't wait for someone to suggest I take a statin. Fortunately, thus far no one has. I'd never take one "just because" with their potential for liver damage. And God knows I don't need any reduction in cognitive ability. :eek: :eek: :eek:
 
Wow, Hensylee ... thanks for posting the info. My cardio just recommended Zocor for high cholesterol.

Everyone should get their cholesterol checked!!!
 
Statins for all?

Statins for all?

A year ago a cardiologist from the NIH spoke at our hospital and in effect said everyone should be on statins and that they had no side effects. Soon after ,one of my friends from the photo club sort of disappeared and when he finally showed up said he developed severe abdominal pains and weakness was hospitalized with a near death experience. Diagnosis? pancreatititis and rhabdomyolysis secondary to statins! Be careful.
 
Thank you, Marty. Coming from you it means a great deal.


A year ago I had a very large tumor removed from my adrenal gland - got to thinking about it this morning and went back on the net and here's a fda report that is very interesting - long, but interesting and full of stuff. It's in medical jargon but you all can decipher if you study/think about it a bit.

http://www.fda.gov/cder/foi/label/2002/20702S33lbl.pdf
 
I'm glad my wife threw all those statins in the trash.
She has tried every last one of them and had all kinds of grief.
Maybe high cholesterol is a bad thing but these drugs may kill you sooner.
Also the guidelines have changed so much in recent years for cholesterol and blood pressure.
Make you wonder if the drug companies just want a reason to collect a few more billion dollars.
 
Statement in mail today

Statement in mail today

5/13/04 Lipid Panel....$55.00....Liver Profile $72.00..Total. $127.oo... Had asked for another one because they did not tell me to fast..when the last one was done...Hope the Insurance company does not realize, 2 cholestrol tests so close together. Threw his results in Garbage can and his script for Lipitor, too. :D :D My total is 204...I'm not taking any drug that would hurt my liver...Need it to gobble up my coumadin everyday. :D I love my PCP..but he is an Internist..and will throw all tests my way. :D Will se him again in Sept for scripts for Pap smear, Mamo..Doubt if he will even ask about my cholestrol..b/p is around 135/78... He has mentioned b/p pills too..but change the subject...I put a lot of faith in my Cardio..He never says anything about my b/p, ect. Just listens to my heart and says..Sounds good. :D Se you in 6 months...His clinical nurse takes care of my coumadin levels..I'm glad my PCP does not...He is so busy with so much other stuff. :D :D Many years ago, I remember wal-Mart had free screening for cholestrol screenings...Friend went nuts when she found her's..Drove us all crazy with not wanting to eat certain foods.. Haven't talked to her in 10 years. wonder how she is doing? :She was probably age 40 at the time...Bet she gave up that diet.. :D Bonnie
 
P.s.

P.s.

Hubby is under care of same Cardiologist's that I have..He is on b/p medicine..but he has never been told by them to have a cholestrol test done :confused: :confused: :confused: ....He only goes in for b/p checks...Bonnie
 
I've been reading this thread (along with the other thread about statin drugs), and I'm really glad I did! My mom (she's the patient - aortic dissection and valve replacement) was put on cholesterol medicine by her cardiologist several months ago, and she's been having leg pain and weakness, and the memory issues. But as far as I'm concerned, she probably doesn't even need it! :mad: The cardiologist said she had "hardening of the arteries", and so needed to go on the medicine (of course, he didn't give her a chance to improve her diet - just take the pills! :mad:), but her family doctor (who tested her cholesterol) said it was fine. I don't have all the numbers, but the total was 160. Maybe I'm wrong (definitely not the first time), but is that high? It's now down to 153 or something, but with the muscle pain/weakness, I just don't think it's worth it.

Anyhow, thanks to whomever started this thread and the other one, and all the posts. I've defintely learned alot!

-Heather K.
 
Heather, I am 71. I told my cardio this week that I had just QUIT and would never take another statin. I know the consequences and would take my chances and if I just drop over one day, so be it; at least I'd be standing up and walking without pain in my muscles. He said he agreed about my stopping and I needn't live in misery - not necessary. Nobody should. I truly believe they are going to make more and more discoveries about the new 'miracle' drug called statin. They have already taken one off the market. Every drug has side effects.

If your mom stays on the statin, ask for (demand) a pkc test and that will tell the dr her muscles' current condition. Don't let her live in pain. Please.
 
I'm going to do a little bit of experimenting with my Lipitor.

I had been having some pretty severe problems with my shoulders. The left more than the right. I was even to the point of considering surgery to correct a rotator cuff problem. I went through a course of Prednisone which helped immensely. It is however starting to return. I have a suspicion that maybe the worsening of this problem since surgery may be Lipitor related. I'm thinking of finishing my current refill of Lipitor and then skip a month or so and see if I get any relief. I absolutely don't want to have surgery if I can avoid it!

I think doctor's "orders" are for nurses to follow. Doctor's "advise" is for patients. I am to the point that I am taking my Lipitor prescription under advisement and may choose to ignore the advise.
 
Why don't we just ask our doctor's..Do you take them? After all, seems like they want everyone over 30 on them :eek: :eek: I'm 39. :p :p Bonnie
 
hensylee said:
If your mom stays on the statin, ask for (demand) a pkc test and that will tell the dr her muscles' current condition. Don't let her live in pain. Please.

Thanks for the advise Hensylee! I think I've talked her out of taking them, for the time being anyhow. She's going to get second opinions on whether she needs them or not, from the PCP and the surgeon. So we'll see what the other doctors say, and go from there.

BTW, a friend of mine takes statin drugs, and she was told by her doctor that she also needs to take something called CQ10? She said it was like a vitamin or something? Was anyone else told this, or know anything about it?

Thanks,
Heather K.
 
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