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Harpoon

Ok, I just gotta rant a little here so please indulge me and feel free to hurl rotten food in my general direction, or better yet, ignore this thread all together.



I'm getting REALLY sick and tired of Bushie, US "dependence" on oil and the power that large corporations have over the American public.


I'm really sick of it.

Yeah, I drive a car that takes at least two full tanks a week to get by. I spend maybe $60 a week on that gas and it's not getting any better. I can't afford to buy a better car (BUT MAN DO I REALLY WANT TO) and I can't afford to retrofit a diesel to burn corn oil or make some other drastic effort to reduce my oil consumption. I can't walk or ride a bike everywhere, part of my job is travelling, driving from assignment to assignment, sometimes over 50 miles in a 6 hour shift. We have a taxi service in the area, the prices are outrageous. The public transportation here is either from the college campus to the bars and back or from a few designated car pool lots to the county office buildings and back unless you're disabled and need transportation to and from your doctor's or work, but that's a special shuttle service that you have to be qualified for...


GRRRRRRRR......


I didn't see it, but I heard about it on the radio, Prince whatever from Saudi Arabia hand in hand with President Bush, promising to do "something" about rising oil prices....

Doesn't anyone get it? They have us! What the hell do we have to offer to the Saudi's and/or any other OPEC nation so that they'll bring down the price of oil?

NOTHING!

What do we have to force them to do it?

NOTHING!


Where does the Bush family get their money? How did G.W. make his fortune????

OIL!!!


Grrrr.....



And in this country we burn more of it than anyone else on the planet. Most of what we burn is in gasoline for less than fuel efficient cars and trucks and SUVs... GAWD! What the HELL do you need an SUV for? They're friggin' unsafe! Prone to rollovers in even minimal speed crashes (ignore what the auto industry and gov't testing labs tell you, they're LYING.) As a photographer for the newspaper, over the past five or so years, about 70% of all the auto accidents I've shot involved an SUV. Half of those SUVs were on their sides. One was UPSIDE DOWN! You can't tell me they're safe. They use death statistics. SUV crashes don't cause death to the driver as often as say, motorcycles do...


Today, while on my way to shoot a softball game, I passed a gas station that's been closed for about two years. The sign in front still has some of the numbers for the prices that gas sold for back then. $1.80 something.... The three digits to the right were gone, but the price of gas was below 1.90 a gallon... What is it now, $2.30? $2.35???


That's just one issue, I've got a whole hell of a lot more here...

Stem cell research.
Rights to choice in reproductive issues, marraige, gender orientation, individual freedoms and liberties...

Hell, if stem cell research could show a way to regenerate damaged heart valve tissue without the need for surgery, reverse congestive heart failure, hypertension, congenital defects, wouldn't everyone on this forum be in favor of it???

Yet Bushie wants to limit all that, no new stem cell lines. There's less than 36 such lines in the U.S., only a third of those (it might be less, I'm a little fuzzy on my numbers, but then so is some of the reporting) are actually viable, usable for some form of research and of those, not every line can be used for EVERY type of research that's being done on stem cells....


Energy, tied into Bushie's fascination with oil. Anything to drive up the price of oil, real or inflated, anything to put more profits into oil companies, more money into the wallets of those who own such companies...


Corporate greed... Again, OIL. But look at a thousand different industries. Find me a member of a board of directors in some Fortune 500 company (or any multinational corporation for that matter) that is willing to take a pay cut if profits slide. Who's willing to cut their own wages down for the benefit of the company? The folks at Enron didn't do that, they pillaged the company coffers, lied to the stake holders, the corporation they ran, and pocketed every last dime they could before the feds caught on and in their wake, the "little people" gert the shaft. Creditors out a LOT of money, workers without jobs... There's a whole trickle down effect there, lost income, lost wages, lost contracts, downsizing and restructuring to ensure the core company of Enron would survive, yet thousands of people were effected regardless....

Same thing with Adelphia. Their old headquarters was in rural Pennsylvania. The only industry there was timber and that was pretty bleak and past it's time. Everywhere you go in "Adelphia territory" you see run down homes, singlewide trailers and broken down schools. In Coudersport, where Adelphia's world headquarters used to be, you could pick out Adelphia owned properties. They glistened in the sun. Regas bought up entertainment hubs, movie theaters, restaurants, arcades. He gave LIBERALLY to the arts because he wanted the best people working for his company and you have to offer a LOT to draw talented people to the middle of nowhere... The town loved him and what he had done for them, until he was ratted out.

Why? Greed, power, money...


Just frustrating..... :mad:


I'll shut up now.
 
Bravo!!!! Im not only on the same page as you, Im on the next chapter!I couldnt have said it better... life in this century centers around OIL....

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uh oh - here we are again.

Harpoon, I am marching in YOUR parade. And our parade is growing every single minute. I can't understand how citizens can't see what has happened to us in the last 5 yrs!

I have seen lots of presidents come and go, but I have never seen one who gives a public speech nearly EVERY day - and on our dime - and our gas.

Lots of flak is coming after these posts.
 
WOW! That should help the BP!

I agree with the problems if not the causes, but agree we are heading off into dire straits...no pun intended...ok, yes I did mean it! Hey, that is the best I can do this early.

Don't even get me started with schools, kids and parents.

And then I'll get really radical and say ... Let's Repeat Detroit Pistons!!! Now that should really set off some controversy!
 
You want to try living in England - petrol (gas) here is, at the cheapest I've been able to find lately, 83.9p per litre. That's about $1.60 a LITRE!!! Or, £3.80/$7.25 per gallon. :eek: :eek: :eek: And don't get me started on the prices they charge when you head out into the countryside/major cities!!!
 
Harpoon you need to go yank your trigger in that thread about guns.....

Harpoon you need to go yank your trigger in that thread about guns.....

Why does Harpoon get by with this crap, but Barry nearly gets thrown out of the forum for much less?? :confused: Barry never called my President or my family names. I?m seeing a trend here.... if you?re a liberal who agrees with the biggest mouths in the forum......... Okay, I?ll stop. Think about how many threads Harpoon has started like this...... a lot. :mad: Can we all say "double standard"!

Harpoon, I could make a very long list of reasons we drive SUVs, but it?s none of your freakin? business. I?ll just keep driving around you people (in the small cars) on the icy mountain passes... yeah, the ones spinning in circles and CAUSING the wrecks the SUVs get blamed for. :rolleyes:

I think Clinton was the biggest pr_ck ever elected..... :mad: but I wouldn?t call him one in public. :p
 
I think a great start would be to repeal all federal and state tax's on gas.

In some parts of the country, $0.50 per gallon is tax (federal, State and Local). We can look back to 1989 when the federal tax per gallon was $0.095/gallon and then it jumped to $0.184 thanks to ole Slick Willie.
 
Name-calling?

Name-calling?

What name is it you object to? "Bushie"?

Rain said:
Why does Harpoon get by with this crap, but Barry nearly gets thrown out of the forum for much less?? :confused: Barry never called my President or my family names. I?m seeing a trend here.... if you?re a liberal who agrees with the biggest mouths in the forum......... Okay, I?ll stop. Think about how many threads Harpoon has started like this...... a lot. :mad: Can we all say "double standard"!

Harpoon, I could make a very long list of reasons we drive SUVs, but it?s none of your freakin? business. I?ll just keep driving around you people (in the small cars) on the icy mountain passes... yeah, the ones spinning in circles and CAUSING the wrecks the SUVs get blamed for. :rolleyes:

I think Clinton was the biggest pr_ck ever elected..... :mad: but I wouldn?t call him one in public. :p
 
Just My Two Cents

Just My Two Cents

As a newcomer to the board, I really hate to see an outbreak of political stuff, whether from the left or the right. I know this is the Small Talk forum but personally I'd rather see it at least loosely related to health issues, and also I would like to see the tone remain civil. There are a great many political sites on the Web and also plenty of places for angry exchanges of all kinds. Must we test our BP levels with political invective?

Just my two cents.

Bob
 
Why don't we shut it down ourselves?

Why don't we shut it down ourselves?

Ross' wife is very sick (see post elsewhere) and he would certainly shut it down if he were paying attention.
 
My Yankee girlfriends...

My Yankee girlfriends...

My two Colorado girlfriends are the best! :D

Pam said:
Okay, now I'm all fired up and pissed - just in the right mood for DENVER TO BEAT THE SPURS TONIGHT!!!!!
Whoa Pam...wait a minute there. The SBC Center is 35 miles from my house, but I won't be driving my big fat SUV down there tonight cause I'm having a long Margarita lunch at Los Cucos in a minute... :D

Rain said:
I think Clinton was the biggest pr_ck ever elected..... but I wouldn?t call him one in public.
Private, maybe? :D
 
Yes, I do consider that name calling.

Yes, I do consider that name calling.

PJmomrunner wrote:

Name-calling?

What name is it you object to? "Bushie"? I searched this whole thread and found only one instance of name-calling...
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Oh, one is okay? How many do you need before it?s considered offensive? Cough *Clinton* cough.

And there was really no name calling here... so I guess it?s okay (in your opinion) to curse & yell at me because I drive an SUV......
:rolleyes:

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Harpoon wrote:


GAWD! What the HELL do you need an SUV for? They're friggin' unsafe! Prone to rollovers in even minimal speed crashes (ignore what the auto industry and gov't testing labs tell you, they're LYING.)
 
Wow! It is getting wild here! Come on...lets not make hurt feelings.

I know...let's all cheer for the Pistons!!!!
 
ANYBODY WANT TO TALK ABOUT ***? Noone seems to argue about that subject. It gets pretty kinky sometimes(the subject and the ***) but we don't
argue
 
GemmaJ said:
You want to try living in England - petrol (gas) here is, at the cheapest I've been able to find lately, 83.9p per litre. That's about $1.60 a LITRE!!! Or, £3.80/$7.25 per gallon. :eek: :eek: :eek: And don't get me started on the prices they charge when you head out into the countryside/major cities!!!

Be like John Prescott... take two jags! :D
 
yeah, this is a great thread huh? Seems like the mud is flowing. . . and funny, Pam, as much as you disliked living in Boulder as a Republican and getting harrassed, you sure are feeling free to dish it out and label all the liberals in Boulder.

Signed, your job-holding, very-informed, never-smoked-joint-in-her-life, liberal neighbor.
 
Pam Osse said:
Melissa:

Just responding to the author of this thread. It's called a stereotype. Harpoon seems to want to label Bush as a money-grubbing, oil loving, kiss all the butts of countries for $$$ in his pocket and all SUV drivers are evil. ]

I've got an idea. If you want to argue with Harpoon, PM him. Have a real, upclose and personal discussion, and leave the rest of us out of it.
 
Here's an idea.........

Here's an idea.........

How about Harpoon just takes responsibility for posting a crappy thread. :eek:

How about us letting him know that he has to play by the same rules as the rest of us.....
 
Well, Bush is for the rich like himself anyway. He is just taking care of daddy's friends and his own future. And while he is at it, trying to screw up SS. He just can't leave it all alone. He juat has to touch everything till it is all screwed up when he leaves office. Had to have a say. Not my president.
 
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