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I was living on the side of Etna when she erupted in 2001 (a ski lodge about 5km up the road from my house was completely wiped out)... and my damn camera decided it wasn't going to work the entire time we were getting the fabulous displays of molten lava fountains and rivers (..grrrr!! :mad: ..). It sure was very exciting and scary, but sweeping up the 3 inches of ash every day soon got old!

I see she was also playing up the other day. Hmmmmmm..... perhaps ol' Mother Earth has a bit of indigestion going on..!

A : )
 
oh my!!

oh my!!

Anna, that's amazing! What a sight!! Perhaps your camera got some ash in the mechanism. That would be frustrating. But wow! That must have been very exciting for you.

Yes, we just had a half inch dusting or so back in the 80's. I remember that the city posted a pick up date and you could sweep, shovel, whatever, your pile of ash to the curb and they would pick it up. Rather than sweep a whole driveway and stir up the dust (about 60 feet of driveway) I decided to hose it down. Well, once the stuff gets wet it gets all sloughy and moves like wet cement would -- in a lumpy and very slow way.....took me almost 3 hours to hose the driveway down to the curb!! Of course the cities who actually took the brunt of the first major explosion were buried in many inches of it. That was nightmarish for them, I'm sure.

It all depends on which way the wind is blowing!

It is interesting how volcanoes often act up in unison. Who knows what the plan is!!

Marguerite

:) My daughter's name is also Anna. Anna Christine. Needless to say, I love the name!! :)
 
Marg53 said:
It is interesting how volcanoes often act up in unison. Who knows what the plan is!!

This is very interesting, it does seem a big coincidence. I wonder if some sort of tidal force is responsible for perturbing the layer of magma, seems like this layer should be causally connected below the crust. Maybe this could be predicted and measured if they've found some way of tuning, bouncing and detecting radiation off of the magma. Something like echocardiography actually...

Its an interesting subject -- I got interested in the dynamics of eathquake prediction at one point while looking for a thesis topic.

BTW: St. Helens has erupted, maybe its a precursor to real lava showing up -- its letting off steam....
 
I've been following St Helens progression on the news - although we're not getting very much about it over here. Is there much of a population in the immediate vicinity or is she more secluded? I seem to remember there was volcanic action also going on in Japan (??) or somewhere else the last time Etna was acting up (2001), so maybe it is all linked up somehow.

Marguerite -
I was very surprised at the consistency of the ash. It wasn't like the fine powdery stuff you find when you've had a fire, but more like black sand - and yes, it was much easier to deal with when it was wet. My parter (at the time) and I volunteered to help clean up the mess at an old age home about half an hour from where we were living since most the nuns who ran the place were too old to do it themselves. It was pretty hard work, but quite rewarding - and the view from Etna from that distance was just spectacular (..albeit a little frightning when you knew you had to head back up there into the plumes of ash and smoke..).

Anyhoo, enough of my ramblings...

A : )
 
many different kinds of volcanoes apparently

many different kinds of volcanoes apparently

There are no large populations of people close by. The park boundary around the mountain goes for miles. There are scattered lodges,etc. but many were wiped out with the first eruption and not rebuilt for obvious reasons (for example, Spirit Lake virtually disappeared!)

Both Portland Oregon and Olympia Washington (that state's capitol) are about equidistant from the actual mountain's peak. Portland has a metro area which is significantly larger than Olympia's and in fact, includes Vancouver, Washington which is growing its own metro area these days (mostly because Vancouver is so close to Portland). The next close large cities are Tacoma and Seattle both of whom can, of course be quite affected (but are less likely) depending on the wind and the nature of a blast. Mt. Raineer looms over both Tacoma and Seattle. It is quite a fat mountain, a monster of beauty.

Apparently Mt. Hood had an earthquake, and it is very close to Portland. Scientists say that those occur regularly and are not related to the eruptive state of St. Helens. I guess the media are taking advantage of us and our curiosity and reporting anything that might be construed as relevant (imagine that, our media being opportunistic and misleading -- how unusual ;) )

So, each volcano has its very own system, they claim. (I will go back and find the link which explained that to me and come back with it) I find that hard to believe, though, really, I mean do we really know what is going on way down there toward the core?

Burair, I loved your idea of an echocardiogram! I have these ethereal notions that everything is somehow related and a part of the same pattern. That understanding lies in finding the pattern and extending the similarities. I had hoped that identifying that spiral like dimension of the DNA would link us to many broader discoveries and solutions. (A very silly example was my discovery that a group of flies who had congregated in my "who left it open" garage were all buzzing in the very center of the wide open space. I swear, they were buzzing in a DNA pattern! Why was that???)

I can't believe the things I confess on this forum!! :eek: You will all assume that I am completely nuts!

:D Marguerite
 
Alice etc.

Alice etc.

I wonder why they think so, and also like you said how do they know. I know that they have theories of plate tectonics and think that the crust is drifting in fractured plates over a layer of magma, there is a 'ring of fire' of active volcanic activity rimming the pacific, perhaps this is due to isolated pockets of magma forming on the edge of a plate close to the top of the crust or something like that.

The pattern notion is not as ethereal as some may have you think, there are very established patterns in nature and some of the top physicists have the same belief in the connectedness of nature ( they would be very disappointed if proved wrong ), you should read Brian Greene "The Elegant Universe" ( I attended a talk by him while I was at Columbia last week in which he talked about the state of string theory, he is extremely good at presenting fairly esoteric ideas to a wide audience ... actually i dont know they are so esoteric, maybe more esoteric to physicists not doing string theory )

Also the prevalence of spiral patters in nature is actually a very deep question with lots of subtleties ... spiral patterns exist in galaxies, hurricanes, DNA and in orbital motion etc. Sinusoidal patterns are all over the place i.e. show up in solutions to many of the wave equations that seem to govern diverse domains of natural science, and maybe there is some sort of universal guiding principle that dictates why it must be so...

A real adventure in wonderland..... ( even nuttier than you !!! )
 
Exacticacly!

Exacticacly!

Burair. Looks like a must read. I suspect you might have many more titles for me!! My father (now 84) had once found chaos theory to be quite fascinating. Alas, he is moving steadily into dementia now (or Altzheimers) and I don't think his mind can maneuver this kind of thinking very pleasurably any longer.

As far as Alice in Wonderland. My comment up there is "exacticacly". Perhaps soon you will rent the Disney cartoon version of Alice to share with your 2 year old. The caterpillar sits atop a mushroom puffing his water pipe (?) and mutters "exacticacly" quite often. One of our family's favorite mutterings....... :)

Back to the volcano.... one can visit www.oregonlive.com and get the Oregonian newspaper articles, webcam visuals, history, etc. I'm sure the Seattle Times has a similar website (after all, the mountain IS in Washington) but I've been happy with our little Oregonian.

I'll try to copy one article into a separte thread next, but it is rather long.

Another clear day. Hope we get to see her when she blows!! Cloudy stuff on it's way in I think.

:) Marguerite
 
from The Oregonian

from The Oregonian

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Magma certainly surging toward the surface
Magma: The molten rock remains as enigmatic as it is volatile, despite the reach of science and technology
Tuesday, October 05, 2004
MICHAEL MILSTEIN
As earthquakes continued while the volcano vented Monday, evidence piled up that the culprit driving Mount St. Helens' behavior is the superhot molten rock known as magma.
Magma's path and ways are mysterious. But geologists Monday said magma was certainly surging toward the surface at the mountain, shoving a dome in the crater up and fueling spectacular blasts of steam over the past few days. Eventually, they say, Mount St. Helens will probably erupt an explosive brew of lava, rock and ash.

For all the high-tech sensors that ring the mountain, researchers remain unsure just how far the magma has risen and how fast it's moving.
"Sometimes you don't know until after it's erupted or after you have many examples to go by," said Wendy McCausland, a doctoral student at the University of Washington who has studied Mount St. Helens and other volcanoes.
Tracking magma is like trying to see what's happening behind a wall. Scientists must rely on the sounds it makes and the earthquakes it triggers as it busts through rock and emits gases.
But the symptoms that suggest magma's menacing arrival are not consistent.
Most earthquakes beneath Mount St. Helens have been within roughly a mile of the surface -- shallow by geologic standards. But carbon dioxide gas wafting from the crater suggests the magma has come from greater depths -- and such magma, "fresher" and containing more gases, can be far more explosive.
A few steady and sustained tremors -- like the hum of organ pipes -- also suggest magma rising through a vast subterranean plumbing system. However, it's difficult to tell precisely where it's coming from.
"Usually we rely on what we're seeing at the surface to tell what it means," McCausland said.
The first clear seismic footprint was the shallow earthquakes.
"Often times, the first time it shows up seismically is relatively shallow, yet we know it's come from greater depths," said Paul Wallace, an assistant professor at the University of Oregon. "Sometimes it just mysteriously appears."
It may be that some of the magma has risen from depths so hot and soft that rocks might bend rather than break as it forces its way past.
"It's hot and it's plastic and it's goopy, so you don't really know about it until it hits a cap that's harder and more brittle," said Edward Wolfe, a U.S. Geological Survey researcher who studies Mount St. Helens.
Magma begins roughly 60 miles beneath the surface, where the Earth's crust slides from beneath the Pacific Ocean under North America and then melts. It rises to feed volcanoes such as St. Helens, pooling in spots, like balloons against a ceiling, before working its way higher.
The speed of earthquake waves rippling through the ground and the chemical makeup of St. Helens magma, suggest a pond of magma roughly five to nine miles beneath the surface. A bottleneck of cooler, harder rock may separate it from smaller ponds of magma higher in the volcano's plumbing.
It's not clear precisely how or why magma forces past that bottleneck.
But how it emerges may depend on how long it waits underground.
Lava flowing in tranquil streams from volcanoes in Hawaii rises fast, hot and fluid.
Mount St. Helens can be more explosive. Its magma comes thicker and frothy with gas. It may move slowly enough, its gas bleeds off until lava simply oozes out, said U.S. Geological Survey scientist Christopher Newhall. Or it may shoot out like a shaken champagne bottle that's suddenly uncorked.
The mountain's catastrophic 1980 eruption probably released enough energy that a repeat is unlikely soon, scientists say.
Eruptions in coming days and weeks, scientists say, probably will resemble those that built the mountain's dome later in the 1980s. Rushing flows of hot ash may appear with such blasts but are unlikely to endanger people.
Final proclamations, however, are not possible until the magma shows up.
Michael Milstein: 503-294-7689; [email protected]
 
another blast!

another blast!

She's at it again. Blowing ash and steam to the N and NE (sorry Johnny and Mark). Much bigger this time. Still not cataclysmic. News is all over it.

:) Marguerite
 
Well, she's quieted down for the time being. I guess this is a story that will just be teasing us for awhile.

This was in the paper today with a cute photo. Sorry I can't get the photo for you......... a little grey mountain. The top comes off and is cut to match the current crater and you can see the little dome inside :D Incredibly kitchy!! Very silly!

More From The Oregonian
Turning ash into cash
An eruption of inspiration led to a business in souvenirs
Wednesday, October 06, 2004
JOHN FOYSTON
The Mount St. Helens before-and-after salt and pepper shaker business has been good to Robert and Peggy Zoeller: It hasn't made them rich, but it's paid the rent for 24 years.

Theirs is the most memorable eruption souvenir: a copyrighted, ash-flecked replica of the mountain that Harry Truman knew; the top third detaches to leave the crater we see today. Peggy Zoeller reckons they've made thousands of 'em since the first one sold in July 1980.

Robert Zoeller had been injured a few months before at his railroad job. He was looking for something to do when the eruption inspired him to go to the library and check out a hundred books, Peggy Zoeller said. With those, he taught himself how to make molds and ceramics, and the couple began making shakers and selling them to gift shops around the region.

Now, they're sold mostly at shops along the Spirit Lake Memorial Highway, and cost about $16. (You can buy one in Portland at Paul Bunyan's Deli on the Interstate MAX line, 8419 N. Denver Ave., 503-289-0808). But the Zoellers are gearing up for next May's 25th anniversary of the eruption with a limited-edition shaker with mother-of-pearl glaze and silver trim.

They'll also reintroduce the Mount St. Helens music box -- twist the plume and it plays "Memories" from "Cats" -- and they're bringing back the ashtray, too. But as a dish this time, now that much of the world except Mount St. Helens has quit smoking.

:) Marguerite
 
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