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Depression?I do not feel I am the only one who has felt like ..umm.. why did they save me for this?
How many have gone through this? Or am I abnormal?
Sometimes I simply wonder ..?
May I bring this topic up? Because I have a need to discuss it. Thankyou Yaps
 
May you discuss this? Umm, sure, why not.

I think we all suffer the "Why me" blues from time to time. It's perfectly normal so long as it's not interrupting your entire life and your consumed with those thoughts.

It's especially difficult for me. I went into surgery expecting to be feeling better, breathing better, and better. Guess what? All the opposite things happened. It gets me down sometimes, like now while I watch people going camping and canoeing, running after their kids while playing ball, etc. I can no longer do any of that because I'm stuck to oxygen 24/7/365. I have to remind myself daily that I'm very lucky to be here at all. I'm not totally worthless, just highly inconvenienced. I found things to keep me occupied that I enjoy. :)
 
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I feel as though ..why save me..I was at work and had been feeling sooooo bad.. its different for women I guess took the ER a few to realise Id had a heart attack, with-in eight hrs Id had a quadruple by-pass and new mitral valve, do not remember much, just snatches of memories.
But so much has changed for me. And at times I wonder ;why save me ?When they did the quad, they didnt know the arteries they used had blockages further up, I wasnt feeling better , didnt get better ,until they put stents in the by-pass arteries, 8 total, as they also put some in subclavien , and hip(cant remember name of that one)I spent the better part of last year in and out of hospital.
Now I go back in tomorrow for hip arteries, blocked again. I think Im just going to call ROTOR ROOTER MAN :D hehehe
Anyway , I do get some what down, tend to get tearful of almost anything.. depressed I guess , some say its normal, just wonder about the extent, do all get this way?Thankyou for listening..love Yaps
 
No, most people don't, but then most people don't have as many problems to deal with either. When we have multiple things that go wrong, it is very easy to get these feelings. Just don't let them control you. If your really having major difficulty with accepting it all, please talk to a professional. I don't like them either, but if I hadn't had their help coming out of this last round, I truly think I might have been suicidal. I went through too much hell to simply give up if you know what I mean. :)
 
I was most depressed when I found out about my stenosis. I did some things right (found Hank's place on the web, got to know some people and some things). Started to learn about my condition and my options.

But I was also bitterly disappointed that my heart was betraying me, especially while I was still in my forties. It was so young to be diminished, when I had always led a vigorous life, and counted on the physical stength I had built up over years of labor. I felt like I had worked hard: that I deserved to have a strong heart.

And there was the long, slow wait for it to get to a point where I could do something about it. Four years. It was Hobson's Queue: you want to get it over with, but you don't want to go through it yet.

That gives you much too much time to think about it, and all that it means. Plus, after a while, your loved ones (quite reasonably) get sick of hearing about it, even if it's updates of information and improvements in treatment options. So, eventually you get to brood about it alone, to study it alone, and to feel isolated by it as well as damaged.

We all have ups and downs with our heart issues. You read more about the positive side because that's much easier to focus on, seems to lead to good responses, and leaves us feeling better about things and ourselves. We like to remind ourselves that we're not alone, and that there are many hands here to help support us when we're in the dumps.

It's perfectly OK to talk about depression. It is a natural companion to heart disease, and bears discussion like any other symptom.

Best wishes,
 
Yaps,
I'm not going to address whether depression is normal or not. I'm going to cut to the thought that you know, and I believe, you're depressed.( I do think it's different for women. ) You have a disease symptom going on, and just like any other symptom, you need to find all the causes and a treatment.
Discussing it in the forum is a great way of acknowledging it and expressing it. Whatever the circumstances are that is causing it, you need to tell your doctor and get some medicine.
Over the years I've changed my thinking from "Why me" to "Why not me?"
Bad things happen to people, and I'm a person. I try to understand it, take inventory of what is going right, and then work on finding some type of fix for it.
Bottom line is, just keep talking or typing. You've got a great place here to talk things out. Please mention it to the doctor. Medication can be a tremendous help.
Love,
Mary
 
ummm, yes, we need to discuss this from time to time. Depression goes right along with heart issues, especially for those who don't bounce (??) right back after surgery. Many don't.

We have a member from the early years, who also had breast removal, then lukemia but gleevic saved her, heart valve replacement and a few other matters. She always seemed so up, but she had her times, too. Another member was a heart transplant patient. Nicole from S.C. was/is quite serious. I had a serious other sort of surgery last year and it has taken a full year to even begin to feel like me again - and what was there before isn't there now, and never will be, but I have accepted, albeit ungraciously. Numerous, including our dear Ross, members have had multiple situations that probably brought on much depression. It is certainly a serious matter, this depression, and we do need to help each other through it when we can. Prayers don't always immediately help the sufferer. Listening and talking most always do. With the things you have, it is no wonder that you have down days.

When I feel depressed, sometimes I just let it come; I will read, go somewhere, call a friend just to chat. I have one friend who gets so down that she calls and says ' let's talk - I always feel better when we finish'. Talking it out is probably the best way. Even when we feel physically bad, conversation draws us out of ourselves so that we think of something else - just for a little while, anyway.


blessins - Ann
 
Depression is part of the mix for a lot of heart surgery patients, and also others who have serious and debilitating health problems.

My husband has had enormous multiple health problems and has some disabilities from them. He has had depression and takes medication for it. It really helps.

He a fighter, never gives up and I admire his fortitude tremendously. You will get there as well. Just keep on taking little steps at a time. Things will improve eventually.

But if you feel this is hindering your recovery and your quality of life, speak with your doctor about it. You've survived these things to enjoy life to the best of your abilities. Don't let it stand in your way.
 
Sounds like this has been going on for awhile. If that's the case, and you haven't already, please pursue the possibility of antidepressants with your doctor. It sometimes takes awhile to find the medication that works for you, but the results are generally well worth the effort. I also strongly urge you to consider seeing a therapist. A good one (get some referrals from reliable sources) will not only assist you in dealing with your feelings now, but almost more importantly, will teach you skills you can use the rest of your life. I wrestled with some depression in my early twenties that I just couldn't seem to shake on my own. I finally sought out some therapy as I was just plain sick of being miserable. Turns out, that was hands down the best investment I've ever made in my life. It's not that things don't arise from time to time that are difficult to deal with, they just don't defeat me anymore. Depression around heart surgery is not uncommon, but it can be successfully addressed. I wish you well.
Sue
 
Rain
Oh my goodness yes, you can discuss it here. If not, then where? I remembered a post I made back in 9/2001, right after I had found this site. My "spells", I call them "pity parties" are limited to 24 hours. Thats a rule I made for myself. I have had them since I was old enough to realize I had heart disease, I suppose about age 5.

I copied it here, because I like it. I simply purged on paper, and it felt wondeful!! Now-a-days I don't necessarily publish the thoughts, but it still feels good to write them down.

God bless you, I will pray for you, and you just hang in there. You obviously have a reason to still be with us. I agree that asking for medication is perfectly appropriate, considering the feelings you are having.

Here is my old post..... so you see.... you are not alone.
Mindy

9/2001
How long do I have to belong here, before I unload?? Hahahaha, I just wrote this scathing letter to you all, and I dumped it somewhere!! hahahaha Isnt life a scream?? I was ranting, mad and screaming about myself and I got dumped!!! Well, Im going to try again!!

Im sick of being sick.

Im tired of being sick and tired. (yawn)

I want to sleep with my left ear on the pillow.

I want to sit with my back against a chair.

I wish I didnt feel like a human bomb (tick tock)

I wish I could get physically excited without everyone in the room knowing it!! (ticktockticktock)

I wish I could just get a plain old fashioned cold, without everyone freaking out!!

I wish I didnt have to (rarely) use the handicapped parking spots.

Im tired of pooping out at parties. Going home to bed early.

Im sad that I have never known a living soul that I could say these things to. (ha! there you are!)

Im tired of making Doc appts.

I wish my most frequented hotel did not have 14 stories, and a
C.I.C.U.

I wish my body didnt look like Frankensteins bride!!

I want to drink 6 martini's!!

I wish a valve job meant going to the auto mechanic.

I want to run until my legs get tired. I want to water ski again, and roller skate, heck, how about bowling??? I want to cut myself shaving and QUIT bleeding the same day!!

I want to be forgiven for having these awful, selfish thoughts.
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Mindy
AVR with apico-aortic conduit
1999 - AVR Bjork Shiley 1978
Valvotomies 1960 and 1970.
Guidant AICD 2002

"I get up, I walk, I fall down. Meanwhile, I keep dancing."
 
left ear on the pillow

left ear on the pillow

oh yes, my best sleeping position..lol..cant do that..hah!... to all of you ..thankyou..Love Yaps
 
Yaps et al
Depression is very common after all types of surgery. Regardless or surgery some 10% of the population suffers from depression from time to time. Most often it is treatable through therapy and medicine. Some people are just wired that way.
I think we all know that depression is a potential outcome of major surgery especially surgery as serious as OHS. Lets face it, we have been through years of frustration and very scary stuff. I don't think that I am atypical in that by time came for surgery I had been through so many trials and tribulations we feel at out wits end. Finding out that I had a malfunction of the heart, the most vital organ in the body for the essence of life, then the "why me"...followed by multiple medical consultations and tests. Lots of fear just wondering and not knowing. Not knowing if we believe the doctor's advice and seeking out other opinions. And with valve replacement there is no clear cut right answer as the best course of treatment so we are overwhelmed with decisions and that is difficult to make as non physicians. And for me I was disheartened that I heard so many opposing views as to what the "right" operation would be. Then the grueling days in the hospital, wondering if we would ever wake up to our loved ones on this earth. For me I went through an extraordinary spiritual and religious searching reading the bible and consulting with ministers. Then that scary old OR with wrenching pain of a cut open sternum, pain, pain. Catheter, tubes, being out of work.
Yes such an ordeal can lead to depression.
For me, I prepared myself, studied up on all the alternatives for operation and the consequences, stayed in good physical shape before the operation, and had a very positive attitude both pre and post op. My main goal was to chose a valve that would allow me best to return to running, biking, roller blading and swimming.
While I have occasionally taken small doses of Paxil post op to help with migraines, three months post op , I threw away the antidepressants (not recommended for all-never stop cold turkey like I did, It is dangerous ) and use endorphins from my daily gym routine as my anti-depressant.
The moment I woke up post op, even though my chest was killing me I could feel a difference in my blood flow and I felt elated. I knew I was better. The incision pain was secondary.
Mostly I wake up everyday grateful that my surgeon and modern medicine repaired my heart problems and I am alive despite having sever aortic regurgitation. I am so happy to be alive it overrides all else.
My joy and happiness of living another day have been enough for me to combat depression.
Just my take.
 
About 2 weeks post op, I was standing next to my wife and just started to bawl uncontrollabley. We hugged real tightly for a few minutes while I cried it out. She asked me what that was all about. I said "I don't know". Well, Katie just put it into words for me 3 1/2 years later. Thank you.
Quetlin said:
Your life was seriously interrupted and you must find a whole new footing for the future!
Getting new footing can be a daunting task and need not be undertaken alone. Keep sharing. Seek medical help as well. We are here for you.
 
ticktock>>

Maybe we should ALL have lists like that. =) I recognize myself in more than a few of those....


Yaps>>

Before surgery I had a few big bouts of depression, mostly feeling terrible about dragging my family through everything that I was going through. It was tough because while I knew for myself that I could handle ANYTHING that was put in front of me, I didn't like the idea of putting my family through the same kinds of things, or having to watch them watch me go through it all. In some sense, I would have prefered they kept their distance while I was preparing for surgery and doing all the testing. It was my "cross to bear" not theirs...

I guess that's a pretty selfish thing. They were dealing with it with me because they loved and cared for me and knew how sick I was and where that could very well have been headed. They had their own fights to fight and I was too wrapped up in my own struggle to see it at the time. That's Ok though.

Afterwards I had a different kind of depression. While I was elated to be alive and sucking in air on my own (with some oxygen for a while) I was aware of the life altering experience I was going through, of the significance of what had happened, of what course my condition had taken and the probable (???) outcome. When I got home, I had some trouble dealing with a sense of "dumbness." There were a lot of things, memory and cognitive function, that I had lost for a while as a result of the surgery and prolonged time in pICU and it took most of a summer for that to fade. Now I'm a lot better with things, no medication, however there are times when I get hard on myself because of my newest limitations and the greater effort I have to put in to take care of myself on top of responsibilities I have to my immediate family (wife and son) and the less "unique" problems of not having the greatest income and other job related crap...

There's so much I want to be able to do, so much I NEED to do, but yet I have a lot of it on hold right now because I simply don't have either time or the space or the resources. I have to believe that in time, it will come back around, but for now I push through with what I have.


I was never bothered by my condition, I was born with it, guess that makes me lucky in a way. I've never known any different. I click now, but that's about the only real obvious change besides the new scars on my torso. my diet hasn't changed that much besides getting healthier. I never drank much so that wasn't hard to give up. Non-smoker all my life. I'm still active, not as much as I want to be but that's just because I don't have the time right now (see the previous paragraph)


If it's getting really hard on you, seek out help from your doctor. it may be as simple as taking an anti-depressant. You might benifit from some counseling or a support group of some kind. In many ways, you're in one right now by being a member of this forum.

We're all hear to help and support each other and we've all been through it.


Personally, I've always found taking time to appreciate small stuff helps my mood a lot. On the next warm, clear night, go sit outside and look at the stars for a while, maybe lay out a blanket or just stand, whatever's comfortable. Look at the stars and the sky. Try not to think about your heart beat or anything else related to your heart, take in the sight before you and focus on that for a while.

I love doing that, always have. I'll go out and stand in the driveway at 2 in the morning (or later) on a warm summer night and take a few deep breaths, closing my eyes and just listening to the night. I might stretch out my arms or lay out on the driveway that's still warm from the sunlight of the previous day.

I know not everyone can do this (some don't have driveways) but the premise is the same, take a moment or two just to BE and experience what's around you outside when it's quiet. Night's the best time to do it, less distractions and people probably won't notice you as much standing their like an idiot doing absolutely nothing! =)

When you go to an appointment or have some proceedure (especially something like an MRI) you can draw your mind towards that experience you had and maybe "relive" it to some degree. That helps too.

Most importantly, talk to people you feel comfortable with and let them know how you feel. The people closest to you will listen for as long as you need them to.
 
hensylee said:
Prayers don't always immediately help the sufferer. Listening and talking most always do. With the things you have, it is no wonder that you have down days.

Talking it out is probably the best way. Even when we feel physically bad, conversation draws us out of ourselves so that we think of something else - just for a little while, anyway.

Excellent observation/notes, Ann!

The problem I had with this was that I talked too much...in other words, some people, at some point, simply do not want to hear any more about it, if you catch my drift. Unfortunately, a fine line does exist between talking it out and talking it out too much.

However, talking it out is usually, if not always, best...because you do not want to bottle those feelings up inside...you'll drive yourself crazy. I know. I've been there, done that...still do sometimes.

I, too, have a friend that we can talk about anything and everything...and we do. Unfortunately, she lives miles away from me and is preparing to move to NC from VA. But, the phone is a wonderful tool ;).

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Harpoon said:
Personally, I've always found taking time to appreciate small stuff helps my mood a lot. On the next warm, clear night, go sit outside and look at the stars for a while, maybe lay out a blanket or just stand, whatever's comfortable. Look at the stars and the sky. Try not to think about your heart beat or anything else related to your heart, take in the sight before you and focus on that for a while.
One of my very favourite "getaways" was sitting on my letterbox (..it was a big chunky brick thing..) at night looking up at the stars. For some reason it really does clear your mind and put your problems back in perspective. I'd always come inside feeling so much more at peace.

A : )
 
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