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Robert F

Robert F

Once more with feeling, after hitting the wrong key --

I see for Nature no defeat
In one tree's overthrow
Nor for myself in my retreat
To strike another blow.
 
The reference

The reference

I finally found the reference promised in the post above -- the one that sort of confirmed my choice of Hancock Medtronics Porcine valve over Carpentier-Edwards Pericardium (bovine) valve (though really both are excellent). Here it is, for those interested:

http://www.shvd.org/file/6882.htm

70. Performance of the Carpentier-Edwards SAV and Hancock-II Porcine Bioprostheses in Aortic Valve Replacement
W RE Jamieson1, T E David2, C MS Feindel2, R T Miyagishima1, E Germann1
1University of British Columbia, Vancouver, BC, 2University of Toronto, Toronto, ON, Canada



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OBJECTIVE: The clinical performance of second-generation porcine bioprostheses, specifically with regard to freedom from structural valve deterioration, require comparison. The durability of the CE-SAV and Hancock-II may be influenced by stent designs and tissue preservation methods.

METHODS: The CE-SAV was implanted in 1524 AVRs (mean age 67.6±11.2 years, range 20-90 years; males 67.4%) and H-II in 670 (mean age 65.2±12.1 years, range 18-86 years; males 75.4%) (age p=0.000, gender p=0.00017) from 1982 to 1994. Concomitant coronary artery bypass (CAB) was performed in CE-SAV 43.6% and H-II 39.8% (pNS). The mean valve size for CE-SAV was 23.8±2.6 mm and for H-II, 24.9±2.1 mm (pNS). Previous CAB and valve replacement did not differentiate the groups (pNS). The total follow up was 11,770 years for CE-SAV and 4,813 years for H-II (p=0.0003). The median follow up for CE-SAV was 88.1 months and for H-II 89.2 months. Structural valve deterioration (SVD) was defined for analysis as diagnosed at explant operation. Parameters assessed as independent predictors of SVD were valve type, gender, age <65 or >=65 years (or as continuous), size of valve, lesion, previous CAB, previous valve, previous cardiac surgery, and concomitant CAB.

RESULTS: The overall linearized rate for SVD was 0.986% per patient-year for CE-SAV and 0.457% per patient-year for H-II (p=0.0003). The freedom from SVD (explant operation) at 15 years (patients at risk in parentheses) was as follows: (see Table)


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Actuarial (%)
p Value
Actual (%)

CE-SAV
Hancock II
CE-SAV
Hancock II

Overall
67.7±3.3
77.9±6.5
p = 0.042
85.7±1.3 (68)
88.1±3.2 (18)

<65 years
53.2±4.2
69.0±7.9
p = 0.021
68.8±2.8 (40)
78.5±5.3 (13)

>=65 years
88.4±4.1
100
p = 0.042
96.4±1.0 (28)
100 (5)

66-70 years
87.4±5.5
100
p = NS
93.6±2.3 (11)
100 (3)

>70 years
96.9±1.5
100
p = NS
98.8±0.5 (15)
100 (2)





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The independent predictors of SVD, overall, were previous valve procedure (RR 2.2), concomitant CAB (RR 1.8, negative predictor) and valve type (CE-SAV > H-II) (RR 1.8). Valve type (CE-SAV = HII) was not an independent predictor of SVD for age groupings over 60 years of age. The crude ratio for SVD by year of operation was higher for CE-SAV in 6 and H-II in 5 of 11 years of implantation. The mean time to SVD explant was 122.8 ± 3.9 months for CE-SAV and 115.7 ± 37 months for H-II.

CONCLUSION: The CE-SAV and H-II in AVR both provide satisfactory clinical performance with a low incidence of SVD. There is a trend to less SVD by actual analysis for H-II in patients <65 years. In patients >=65 years (66% of the total population) actual analysis does not differentiate the durability of the prostheses.

Peter
 
So how are you doing? I'm thinking about the Ross in a few months. Going through the same dcision making process.

Regards,

Jim
 
Peter - you have my prayers - guess you are on your way now and are at Shands. Can't get a better place for care of all kinds. See you on the other side. GODSPEED!
 
wonder what he's up to and how he is doing...

wonder what he's up to and how he is doing...

peter hasn't been around much. does anyone know if he checked in when hank was having all us members touch base?
 
Wow! What a blast from the past!

Haven't heard from Peter in a long time.

Ann, sounds like you've been to Shands before? If you ever come again, look me up. I'm there every day!
 
Hi Peter, I also did extensive research, as a registered nurse with ICU backgroun I really did not want to be on coumadin,and knew the clicking would drive me crazy. One difference is longevity of mech v. it may last longer but its the secondary complications that can threaten life , also has higher infection rate than pig or homograft.Ross proc. sounds good but outcomes have been inconsistantand you need a very skilled surgeon. They dont do Ross proc here in Mpls due to failure rates. I went with a homograft and love it its been 3 yrs and when they do the echos they always say now what valve is it? I can take and eat whatever I want . I have had 2 unrelated surgies and had no problem because I dont have to take blood thinners. I too talked with Elkins and Cleveland Clinic , I would not go to Montana,!!!! When I had surgery my measurmnt was almost 5 without any symptoms , I had been athletic most of my life ,so they felt thats why I might of had no symptoms. Medtronic has a new valve called Mosaic its been out for several years here in USA but implanted in other parts of the world for 8 years withexcellent results,its special coating to reject calcium which is why most tissue vales deteriorate. Its a hard decision,what really helped me was actually calling Medtronics and Cryolife etc and talking with their R&D people , they will gladly explain diferent vales and send you detail;ed studies. hfk
 
Sylvia,

Is Joey's Ross procedure still holding up? I sure would like to be one of the Ross success storie myself!!!!!

Regards,

Jim
 
I just want to say this has been a great discussion on valves - tissue versus mechanical. Can you all come with me when I go in to discuss this with the surgeon??!! I'll definitely have to print this one off and put it in my pre-surgery 3-ring binder.

Thanks to you all.
 
Hi peter, Great convesation , I too found same information on coumadin . Everyone now has choices, years ago they did not.The surgeon has alot to do with it aswell, if they don not feel comfortable putting in certain valves they will not recommend them and discourage their use. Most Dr.s only know how to put in 2-3 different valves . Each valve is techancillay diferent and implanted differently . when they find a valve they like to put in and is easy for them and quicker that becomes their favorite ,bottom line. So you wil;l here and read alot , it sounds like you definately do not want to be dependent on coumadin, that drove my choice . Its hard you have chose whats best for you. Nothing is ever 100% either way . hfk
 
pig-11 mechanical-forever???

pig-11 mechanical-forever???

Yes, chilihead, my 1st valve , a porcine, lasted 11 yrs. I got it at age 34.
I now have carbomedics mechanical, (click ,click..) and lots of bruises from being on coumadin and having a low platelet level.
Got my new valve in '00.
I was hoping something would have been invented in those 11 yrs so I wouldn't have to go mechanical. But, oh well.
Gail
 
food for thought

food for thought

My take on reading all this is to keep in mind we tend to have a need to stand up for ,even defend what we had as being the "right" choice. Truth be known...it is the surgions. He/She knows what her skills are. What she is familar with and He or She is the only one that will be able to actually look at the insides of your heart. So, I belive the real question is which Dr's do you have available in your areas and how do there skills stack up against one another. If one is versed in one approach such as the ross see what the others strenths are. Some prefer mechanical with a standard approach. I prefer the standard approach. Having been an RN, I want them to have as large a field to see through as posible!!! The hell with scars.

I am lucky I have a whole team of Dr's ; two Cardio-thorasic surgions(one of which is know around the world), a cardiologist(asso. prof. of the dept.)his Np , a Neuropsycholigist, a internist who has orders to keep in touch with my caro. at all times. ,a family Dr.
 
Medtronic,

Good point and I agree. That is why I have gone to several doctors in the area and finally found one htat is highly capable at doing all of the valve choices including over 160 Ross procedures. I'm pretty sure my first choice will be a Ross followed by a stentless pig valve if the Ross won't work. I'm looking for 15-20 years until my next surgery and am hopeful.

Thanks,

Jim
 

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