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My name is Al, and I live in NJ. I'm 42, and was diagnosed with a severe mitral valve regurgitation in 2004. It hit very suddenly. Lucky me i want to thank all of you who sent me a reply. It really does help to know that there are others out there. I must admit this does have me very scared. I have 4 little boys, and I'm feeling like my time is almost up. You see I never had anything like this ever happen to me. For some reason I can't stop thinking about this thing in my chest. I wish I can just forget about this until it's time to take care of it. My cardiologist wants me to see Dr. Acker in Philadelphia. I don't even know where to begin when asking him questions. So, if anyone wants to help me with this I will be more than happy to listen to everybody. Thanks again for taking the time to reply to my call for help.

Al
 
You'll be OK and you are in the right place.

You'll be OK and you are in the right place.

Al, here is where you'll get motivated and lose alot of your worry. My name is Jay from Long Island NY, I'm 44 with 3 kids and I have been coming here I think for just about a week now and my personal turmoil feels 95% resolved and thank god for this place. You will feel alot of relief from being here. Just browse the boards for a while, read all the posts,do a search for text and I assure you you will eventually find information that will help you. I was diagnosed with aortic valve reguritation approx. 4 weeks ago. No symptoms just some palpitations.
My condition requires a valve replacement. I am going in for a minimally invasive replacement surgery 1 week from today for a biological (tissue valve) with a fantastic surgeon in NYC. I had known for 3 weeks that I needed to face my problem and forget the denial that it was happening to me untill I came to this incredible website. I actually Pre-op'd for surgery today and feel great about it.
I know how you feel and felt the same way just days ago. Make phone calls, get opinions, see as many doctors you need to make you comfortable that your diagnosis is correct and you'll be feeling more in control of your future in no time. Everyone here is amazingly compassionate and attentive and wants to help. Good luck to you neighbor!! Dont be shy just ask!! :cool:
 
You are definitely at the right place

You are definitely at the right place

Al,
I am EJ.
My wife never had a heart problem all her life.
Only time she ever was in the hospital was to have our kid 7 years ago.

2 months ago, my wife went to see a cardiologist to check out a mild chest distcomfort she had. Her PCP thought it was just an anxietety.
I came home from work early to take care of my kid.
Past dinner time, she would not come home.
Checked the answering machine and she and the cardiologist left messages saying she would need to get an emergency surgery to save her life.
Severe aortic regurgiation, aneurysm and dissections eveywhere.
Even at the specialized Heart Center, it was one of the biggest surgery they did.
She made it through. Had some bumps during the recovery but by that time, I found this forum. Knowledge I gained from this place and help all the caring members provided helped me to get her out of tight spots more times than I care to remember. In many ways, I learned a lot more from this place than from doctors. I just cannot thank eough Hank (Founder), Ross (Adminstrator), the other Al (Al Lodwick) and countless other members of this board.

You will be fine. Take your time to see as many doctors you need to see and ask pointed questions. If you need surgery, be sure to ask the doctor's mortality rate and other adverse outcome rate.
Be nice but firm in getting straight answers (Remember you, your wife and your 4 kids have higher stake in this matter)
We did not have time or choice but luckly she was operated by one of the best surgeons.
You do have some time so you would not have to rely as heavily on luck as we did.
Spend browsing this board and don't hesitate to ask questions here.
There are lots of caring and knowledgeable veterans (even doctors) here who have been there and done that....

p.s. Don't forget to take deep breaths whenever you feel stressed. You will be fine!
Like Jay said this is the place you come to lose your worries!


And good luck to you as well, Jay!!!
 
Hello Al. Welcome to our wonderful cyber community! You WILL be fine!!

I love the colorful response you got from Jay and all the great bold support from EJ. They are right! You can get so many answers from those of us who have been in your shoes. Please feel free to start new threads with each and every question that you have.

Some people here like to use the search button to guide their reading. Some like to just ask their questions outright and wait for responses. You do whatever you feel best doing.

It is a huge shock when the news first hits you. But if you choose a surgeon who has done lots of these types of surgeries, and a hospital that is top notch (and there are many) your outlook is phenomenal!

I know what you mean about not being able to stop thinking about it. It would really help you to find a way to calm that feeling down. Some people ask for medicine from their doctors. Some people find that reading and reading and "talking" with others here is all they needed to find some peace from that dread. We really can help you with that, so ask some specific questions, okay?

Take care and get back to us!

Marguerite
 
Al,
Welcome. The following is a post for another new member regarding waiting. Some is specific to aortic valve but I think alot applies to valve issues and waiting issues in general.
davidfortune said:
Waiting.... Just do it - better to wait (if appropriate) than cut. Cutting is is better when waiting more will start causing permanent damage to the heart. Don't freak out. Read, Learn, Plan....

Get a second (and third if necessary) opinion.Get good advice from more than one doctor. Echos are estimates. Skill of the tech and the doctor interpreting can affect the measurements significantly. Get a second opinion from a different practice. Do so more than once over time if you need to ease your mind. It will either confirm what you doc is saying or contradict his assessment which will then send you to a "tie breaker". Having another well respected doctor weigh in on my issues gave me comfort that I was proceeding correctly.

Blood Pressure - Lower is Better for BAV
I would think an Angiotensin II Receptor Blocker or ACE Inhibitor might be a good idea. Basically as low as you can stand without symptoms may extend the life of your valve. If you pass out (or even get light-headed) when standing up then that is too low.

Symptoms - Pay CLOSE Attention
I didn't think I had them. They sneak up on you and can be subtle. They can be attributed to "getting older" (Not for you but for some of us older than you). I wouldn't say I'm "Short of Breath" which my cardio almost twisted my arm to get me to say. I would now say that I don't have the cardiovascular stamina that I would expect. I feel my heart working harder than it should be with less exhertion than I would expect. I am breathing harder sooner than I would expect. I feel like I have to "take ONE very deep breath at the top of a flight of stairs" - I'm not breathing hard I just need that one extra deep breath. That didn't used to be the case.

Semi-Annual Echo (Annual at least)If your insurance will pay for 2 x a year echos then I would convince your cardiologist that twice a year is better than once (it will help to sooth your worry as it is a very reasonable timeline). If insurance won't pay twice a year then go for once a year unless you "feel" a reduction in your cardio capabilities.

Find a great doctor
This is key. Find a doctor who will talk with you regarding your personal research, BAV disease and the correlation to Cystic Medial Degeneration that leads to Aortic Aneurysm and Dissection. If he doesn't understand the correlation then find a different doctor. Do your research here too (not just on your condition). Talk with other docs, read, get referrals.

Be aware that you are more aware (and maybe worried)
I was/am more aware of my heart rate, chest feelings, cardio conditioning, "chest tightness", etc... than I was before I found out about my valve. I have to remind myself not to freak out when I feel something different. That "tightness in my chest" may be discomfort from a too spicy meal or may relate to the fact that I ate twice as much as I should have or I'm feeling a tremendous amount of stress from work (or heart issues) that day. I monitor myself - I wait an hour or two to see if it goes away. I remind myself what I ate or how much (sometimes too much). I check my stress level. I haven't had a situation where the feeling lasted beyond my self imposed time limit and sent me to the doctor. But I never would have noticed those feelings before my diagnosis 3.5 years ago. I'm not saying "disregard serious symptoms". I'm saying evaluate yourself. Be smart but know your own freak out levels and issues (and when you ate too much).

Heart Measurements
Consisent increases in Left Ventricular size are not a good thing. Please read the consistent here. I have 1st, 2nd, and 3rd echos within one month of each other (from different doctors) where the measurements of EF, EDD, ESV, Aortic Root were all different (not huge differences but some).

Consistent increases in Acending Aorta size are not a good thing. Same discussion as above.

Black and white measurements for surgical timing.... Before Dissection or Rupture! Not very definitive but true. If you have dissection at 4.8 then it won't matter to you that conventional wisdom says surgery should be 5.0 . This to me underscores the critical need for a good doctor. Also- size is relative. Depends on where you started (i.e. if your aorta is bigger than average as "normal" then 4.5 may not be a catastrophic deal. If you are a 100 pound female then 4.5 could be huge).

Consistent increases in measurements over time push the surgery date closer. Stable measurements over time confine us to the waiting room.

Perspective sometimes changes
Waiting didn't bother me too much. 6 month echos were just cautious because my doc didn't think we were in line for surgery for a few years (maybe). For some of us (not all) the change comes and the priority shifts from waiting to planning since surgery is dictated by decreasing heart function (i.e. increasing heart dimensions). I would rather still be waiting.... But I don't have that choice. Planning for surgery sucks. However, I am eternally grateful to my general physician who heard the almost inaudible murmur 3.5 years ago and sent me to the cardiologist. If I didn't know about my valve I wouldn't recognize the subtle symptoms I have and who know how much damage to my heart I would have let occur before I realized what was going on. And I still would have ended up in surgery - just in much worse shape.

Conflicting feelings. Sucks to be here. Glad it isn't worse. Glad I live in a big city with top heart centers and great docs and surgeons. Wish I was 60 just getting to this point rather than 41. Glad I don't have CHF due to an unknown BAV....

Anyway - I hope some of these ideas and thoughts help. It may be years before your surgery (maybe not). Either way my suggestion is to live your life, enjoy everyday, keep you eyes and ears open, be aware of symptoms but don't freak out.

Good Luck,
David
 
Hey there Al,

You need to stop looking at this as "why me?" and start thinking how lucky you are to have a condition that can be repaired. There's a lot worse stuff out there than a leaky heart. You'll do just fine once you get over your initial shock. I know I was a lot more nervous when they first mentioned surgery, than I am now only 3 days away from my own mitral repair. If you have had severe regurge since 2004, you need to be getting this taken care of. How are you keeping up with those 4 boys?

Just start doing some searches for whatever questions you have. I think everyone crawls in here at first, confused and terrified, and then ends up being so proud of our accomplishments. Just get a surgeon who has done a lot of these things. My surgeon has done about 20,000 valves, so I'm just hoping he doesn't try doing mine blindfolded to liven things up:rolleyes:

You'll do great, and your boys will be so proud of you!
 
Hi Al, Welcome to this wonderful community! I don't have all that much to add, Ask questions, do searches and we'll all do our best to walk you through this. Good luck on your research and be sure to check in often and let us know of your findings.
 
Hi Al

I'm Evelyn whose spouse, Tyce, had AVR in June of '02......on the very day that I retired from teaching school.

I read your post with great interest and much reflection. I, too , was the "wreck" when I found this site. I, too, was scared out of my mind that I would lose my husband on the operating table. I, too, was just sick from worry and angry and frustrated and couldn't rationalize "why us!!!"

Well, this place is the very best. Everyone here responded, took me under their wing, gave advice, suggestions and most of all love and support and got me through it. I was much better once we knew the date of the surgery, but the waiting is absolute hell...and that's all you can say.

Get yourself an appointment, and then take it one day at a time. Talk with your wife about the surgery, make sure your on the same page, and when the time comes, keep yourself as busy as you can to keep your mind off of it. I'm sure everyone on this site will tell you their reactions were the same. I know all I wanted was for Tyce to have his surgery RIGHT NOW so we could move on with our lives and we wouldn't be taking any chances losing him. Remember that the success rate is like 98-99% and while you'll be sore and hurting for a bit, there is life after OHS.....a great life, too.

You WILL get through this, just don't try to take on more than you can handle every day. Everyone here has been where you are, and we all understand the dynamics of a major decision like this. Please feel free to vent----it's ok, we KNOW where you're coming from.

It's absolutely worth it to read the old threads....you can't have too much knowledge when it comes to OHS. Everyone here will help you all you want.

Evelyn
 
Hi from NJ

Hi from NJ

Hi Al, you already got great advice, but i wanted to welcome a fellow NJ member, we live in Camden County. I'm not the heart person, my 18 yo son is. but i agree w/ what everyone has already said. I too would get a second or third opinion. there are alot of great surgeons in the area, from philly-NYC so if your insurance allows I would talk to a few, even if you decided to stay w/ your origonal surgeon, at least you wouldn't have to think later you should have talked to a few docs.
as others have said the success rates for valve surgery are very high especially for a first heart surgery and a surgeon w/ lots of experience.
I don't know enough about local adult heart surgeons to offer an opinion, Justin has had all of his at childrens' hospitals, but had a few at CHOP right next to U of P.
Good luck and I would read alot of the valve choice and preop threads as well as the anitcoag threads, then if you have specifc questions I'm sure you will get lots of good advice, lyn
 
There are great surgeons everywhere. I found a gem in New Jersey, and wouldn't trade his work for anyone else's.

It takes a while to acclimatize to the idea of having a valve problem. You do chew on it a lot. You bore your family and friends with it because it haunts you. Its every possible misbeat registers on your consciousness. And the waiting seems endless. It's really the worst part of valve disease: you want to deny that you need to have anything done, but eventually you're wishing they'd please finally do it and get it over with.

I'd never been in a hospital, never had anything that a doctor ever really needed to do anything about until I was told I had aortic stenosis. It was quite a blow, as I suppose on some level I had assumed I was invulnerable. And here I had a fatal condition.

You'll feel a bit foolish, afterwards. Most likely, it won't be anywhere near as bad as you expected. This is a good thing.

Best wishes,
 
Al,

Heart issues in general, and I think any heart issue that mandates surgery in particular (in this case valve issues but there are of course others), are hard to ?get your head around? for some of us. Valve issues are a mechanical issue. They cannot be ?fixed? by medication, exercise, eating right. If and when they get severe enough to begin to cause damage to the heart, then surgery is unavoidable unless you choose the really nasty alternative CHF and eventual demise.

Waiting is a weird time ? at least it was/is for me since I didn?t have any symptoms that I recognized as such. Symptoms can be sneaky. They can slowly, subtly creep up on you when you don?t know they?re there. You don?t realize that you have to take that ?one really deep breath? at the top of a flight of stairs ? not huffing and puffing just need that one DEEP breath. You worry about phantom? (or are they real?) pains, tightness, fullness, shortness of breath, hearing your heartbeat, feeling your heartbeat. Do I have tightness in my chest or just ridiculously stressed from work (like I have been 100 times before but never really noticed the physical signs)? SOB or just wayyyy too full from eating wayyy too much? Hyper-aware is how I categorize myself for the last 3 years.

The key if you are not symptomatic is empirical evidence. Measurements from echocardiograms. You can?t see that anything is wrong. You can?t feel that anything is wrong. I CAN?T have heart problems!!!! That just isn?t possible. I?m healthy. I exercise. I don?t smoke. I drink one glass of red wine (albeit a BIG glass) a day. I drink other alcohol only occasionally, socially and in moderation (usually since my wife says I?m an a**hole when I?m drunk so I almost always avoid that). No drugs. Monogamous sex? I CAN?T have heart problems??

Don?t let all the conversations here freak you out. Maybe? (for you) it isn?t wise to spend too much time here until it is nearer time for your surgery. Being here focuses your mind on the issues that may not affect you for years?, or months?. Maybe? being here and getting ideas, philosophies, debates, discussion, information, launching points for your own research, and camaraderie will give you peace of mind and comfort that a whole bunch of these folks (some with much less information and much less planning than you will have) made it through these surgeries and lived to tell and lived to kayak off waterfalls, and lived to ride gnarly trails, and lived to love, and lived to see kids graduate, and live to see grandkids, and live to share their experiences and hope with others like you and me.

I think (when it is time) finding an awesome surgeon is THE MOST IMPORTANT decision you can make. I watched the video of a Ross Procedure last night and Holy Sh*T!!!!!! I KNEW that open heart surgery was a big deal, but SEEING it really gives perspective on the IMPORTANCE of the SKILL and EXPERIENCE of the guy (sorry ladies not to many female heart surgeons) doing the cutting!!! I guess that is true for any surgery (my wife?s rotator cuff surgery made me wonder how they could tell the difference between what to sew and what to file and what to cut?) but this is Heart surgery and the proximity to other important stuff is really sobering. GET A GREAT SURGEON (when it is time). Get a great cardiologist in the meantime (and get at least a second opinion). I personally experienced differing opinions on surgery timing and this is too important to leave to the opinion of a single doctor.

Meantime ? just wait. Learn what you want to learn. Live your life ? a leaky mitral valve isn?t likely to kill you suddenly. Not like a heart attack could. A leaky heart valve is not going to cause a heart attack (blocked coronary arteries cause heart attacks but not leaky valves). Long term leaky valves can cause congestive heart failure but that won?t be an overnight thing.

You gotta figure out what level of research and information will help you come to grips with your condition and then live with it after that.

My thoughts were (and are): I don?t want to waste my time. This definitely made me feel mortal. I hadn?t been to a doctor in over 20 years when the first doctor I went to diagnosed my heart murmur and sent me to a cardiologist ?Just to be safe? over three years ago. Mortality sucks. We all have it ? it just sucks when you discover that it actually applies to you personally. It made me re-evaluate priorities. Now that I FEEL that my time here is finite (maybe 20, 30, 40, or ?? years?. But still finite?), I think about what I?m doing with it.

When it is time for fixing the problem ? then you will have no choice. Meantime ? enjoy life, friends, family. Don?t obsess about this and let it rob you of that enjoyment.

Good luck. Sorry you?re here, but Glad you found us.

David
 
Thank you David!!

Thank you David!!

It really did help reading what you wrote. You have me pegged. I really feel better knowing that people like you are out there helping me through this. I have been obsessing about this whole thing over the last 2 weeks. I can't believe how my whole life just took a wild turn. Right now I'm trying to find the right surgeon. Thanks for your words of wisdom, and if it's all right with you, please feel free to write me back on occasion.

Thanks,
Al :eek:

P.S. Hey I noticed we are the same age, take the same meds, same problem
 
hi al,
welcome to this site. it has been a lifesaver for me from the very start.
my husband, joey, and my dad are both valvers. joey had a ross procedure done by dr. stelzer 5 yrs ago at beth israel, nyc. my dad had avr and double bypass surgery done 7 yrs ago by dr. damus at st. francis heart hospital, long island, ny, and just had mitral valve repair done minimally invasive by dr. colvin at nyu (last week).

the waiting, we found, was the worst part. once you've gained some knowledge and found a surgeon you are comfortable with and make that date, it feels like a whole load has been lifted.
please take your time, read many posts here pertaining to your condition, surgeons, etc. try to relax and enjoy friends and family, and most importantly, try to remember that we are the lucky ones.
how many people do we all know who never had the chance to get "fixed"? those who just had heart attacks and that was the end?
we are the lucky ones.

please let us know how your search goes.
be well,
sylvia
 
tobagotwo said:
I'd never been in a hospital, never had anything that a doctor ever really needed to do anything about until I was told I had aortic stenosis. It was quite a blow, as I suppose on some level I had assumed I was invulnerable. And here I had a fatal condition.

You'll feel a bit foolish, afterwards. Most likely, it won't be anywhere near as bad as you expected. This is a good thing.

These short phrases capsulize my experience. When I found out I had a heart problem and would need surgery someday, I felt like someone with a death sentence! I thought my life was as good as over. Time went by, things calmed down, I felt better, then later symptoms came, I got a little scared again, had the surgery, and have felt better since. Things will never be quite like they were before; I'll never forget that I'm a heart patient. But, my life was certainly not over! I'm thankful for every healthy day I have. I know I may have to have surgery someday, but it doesn't stop me from enjoying life now.

As others have said, we should be thankful we have a condition which can be treated. There aren't any more important organs in your body than your heart, but there are a lot of diseases worse than valve problems! (I'm talking about things like certain kinds of cancer, kidney problems, liver problems, etc. which can't be fixed at all. I don't want anyone to think I'm minimizing their heart problems; I know it has been very tough for some of us.)
 
Welcome!!

Welcome!!

I do not think there is more that I can say which hasn't been said. I shared your anxiety and fears until I read read and read some more. I am 33 with 4 kids - I was terrified when I was diagnosed. I have found that support and education have calmed my fears. I suspect that you will feel the same.

Best of luck to you - and no need to worry about the support running out here!!!
 
Thanks to all that replied !!

Thanks to all that replied !!

I want to thank all of you who responded to my call for help.I know this is going to be one long road, but it really does help reading all your words of encouragement. This is truly a great place. I must admit it has been very difficult to get refocused on life as I know it, but I am trying. I'm sure I'll be back asking more questions soon, so beware!! :eek:

Thanks,

Al
 

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