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Anyone have any tips on what to watch for once Gary is out of ICU and in a regular room? His admission for heparin is 8/21 8/22 cath and 8/23 is the 3rd ohs - this time for a an aortic aneurysm.
I have been told by many people to not leave his side one he goes into a regular room - I just want to make sure I know what is supposed to be being done and when. Do I steal his chart :D
Thanks guys - I am getting very anxious again as the time is drawing near. I am having flashbacks of 2 surgeons telling us he has a 10% chance of not making it.I woke up this morning with horrible scenarios in my head.
Christine
 
Christine,

I totally agree that someone has to stay in the room with the patient. One thing that may help is have the nurse go over the doctor's orders when he is transferred to the floor. I am a peds nurse and I always bring the chart into the room and go over the orders with the parents when I admit a patient and continue to tell the parents any changes in orders. Write down the meds and the doses. Medication orders are probably one of the biggest areas where errors occur. Every time the doctors come in ask them what the plan is. Because of the cut backs in nurses and aids it is not uncommon that the family has to get the patient cleaned up for the day and help the patient move around after the first couple of times. Do not hesitate to be an advocate for him. If you have concerns or need help, ask for it.

Write down any questions that you have for the doctors. I tend to forget all the questions I had for the doctor as soon as they walk in.

Debbie
 
I always tried to be there when the doctors made their rounds for the day. That is usually quite early in the morning, but each doctor is different. That way I knew how things were going. I also did as much personal care for Joe as I could, given his situation at the time. Once he was unhooked from tubes, etc. I could give him his bedbath and help him with other personal things. You will know instinctively when there is something you have to watch out for, and who you have to keep an eye on.

Most nurses and nurse aides are terrific, but there are some occasional loo-loos who don't have a handle on things, or really don't know what they are doing. And they have the potential to harm someone.

A couple of outstanding dingbats I remember, was an aide, who was actually doing the nursing care for the post surgical cardiac patients. I have no clue where his nurse went during this time, but it left ONE RN for a whole floor of cardiac patients and this weird aide.

She was extremely "tired" or something, leaning on doorways and closing her eyes, and walking very slowly. She was supposed to take Joe for his first walk after valve surgery. He was a day from the ICU, on Percocet and on oxygen. So, in she comes, grabs his oxygen line about 10 feet from from the wall plug (to get it loose so she could attach it to the portable oxygen tank) and gives it a yank. It boomeranged around both Joe and I. Quite amazing.

Then she looked at Joe who was in la-la land and said, "OK, now get up!" Never offered him her hand, never did anything to steady him, and he was not even coherent. It was a broken hip waiting to happen. I stopped her and told her to get lost and not come back. Then I flagged down the only nurse available who was stressed out to beat the band and asked her to help. She got right up into my face and asked me why I had a problem with aides handling patients. She told me that they had all been trained in a Nursing Home setting and knew what they were doing. Couldn't believe it!

I had a meeting with the Head Nurse on that one.

Another time, when Joe had a massive bleedout (not from heart surgery.) and was going through dressings right and left, had 33 units of blood products to try to stop the bleed and keep him in this world, there was the lazy night nurse. This was an RN. He decided that he didn't want to be bothered changing Joe's dressings during the night, so he found some of those small bed pads and packed them around Joe's bleeding incision. Then at the change in shifts, in the morning, he told the next nurse that the bleeding had slowed down considerably. Fortunately, I came in right about that time, and saw the sloppy looking wad of stuff. I opened it up and found tons of blood, told the new nurse and also the doctor who was starting to round. Joe could have died from that one.

Then there was a time when Joe had serum sickness, and could not move any of his joints. His body was frozen and they let him sit upright in a wheelchair for several hours. He could not move at all, and there was no doctor in sight. He also had not urinated in about 6 hours, since he had lost kidney function. I threw a fit and insisted that SOMEONE come in to examine him, and I didn't care who did it. So a Nurse Manager came and told the aides to get him onto the bed so he could be examined. Four of them tried lifting him, and then they dropped him. Fortunately, he wasn't harmed. But my God, can you imagine! After the examination, he was transferred to the ICU where he stayed for a couple of weeks.

So, when people tell you to keep an eye on things, it's situations like this that make you very, very vigilant. You can't know what could possibly happen. Just be aware, be there as much as you possibly can and when you have to, be vocal.

By the way, there have also been roomates of Joe's who have had things happen, like falling out of bed, starting profuse bleeding (again, not heart surgery related), having massive bowel accidents that needed immediate attention, and I was able to alert the nursing staff when these patients could not talk, ring the bell or when the nurses didn't respond.
 
I might suggest a few simple things that I learned the hard way.

Ask everyone who enters the room or treats the patient if they know his name and what his medical problem. This was important to us because we have a common name. One of the partners in the cardiologists' practice confused my husband with another patient who had a similar name (ie. Dance and Dancer).

Make sure that everyone who touches or treats the patient, including you, visitors, and nursing assistants, washes their hands before touching the patient. I asked everyone, including the attending doctors.

Know what medications and doses are prescribed and when they are given.
Ask the nurses to show you the names and doses when the meds are given. Make sure to check the patient's name as well. Everytime meds are given, check to be sure they are the correct ones and for the right patient.

If you believe that there is or may be a problem or that a mistake is being made, ALWAYS speak-up and question and trust yourself on this one. If you believe that something is serious, like the wrong meds being given, you can demand that they stop. It does help if you have a copy of the patient's medical power-of-attorney with you. You can demand that they call the doctor, or if you have the number of the doctor's service, you can call yourself. I have done this. I have found that the charge nurse can work wonders. You can ask to speak to the charge nurse or a hospital administrator. This does get people's attention and sometimes things are solved quite quickly.

Wish you the very best,
Blanche
 
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Debbrn said:
Christine,

I totally agree that someone has to stay in the room with the patient. One thing that may help is have the nurse go over the doctor's orders when he is transferred to the floor. I am a peds nurse and I always bring the chart into the room and go over the orders with the parents when I admit a patient and continue to tell the parents any changes in orders. Write down the meds and the doses. Medication orders are probably one of the biggest areas where errors occur. Every time the doctors come in ask them what the plan is. Because of the cut backs in nurses and aids it is not uncommon that the family has to get the patient cleaned up for the day and help the patient move around after the first couple of times. Do not hesitate to be an advocate for him. If you have concerns or need help, ask for it.

Write down any questions that you have for the doctors. I tend to forget all the questions I had for the doctor as soon as they walk in.

Debbie

I wish you were my nurse when I was on the floor. I took a look at my chart and was chastised like a 5 year old with a hand in the cookie jar. I ditto what you said above. Above all don't hesitate to make a stink when the pain medicine doesn't come on time. Just mention Joint Commission standards and see everybody hop around like a bunch of jack rabbits. :)
 
Definitely the medication issue. When I was in the hospital waiting for my second OHS, a nurse came in with "my meds" - NOT!!! She argued with me when I told her these were not the meds I took. She said (honestly) "maybe your doctor changed all your meds". I told her that my doctor informs me if he changes meds and, since I did not know about it, it was not the case. I told her to leave my room and get the head nurse.

The head nurse came back in a few minutes later with my correct meds and apologized. I never saw the other nurse again. The head nurse said the original nurse felt very badly - YA THINK???

I often wonder about the poor folks who cannot understand what is being given to them. How many die for the wrong reason?
 
Christine:

The only advice I can give you is if your husband has any complaints in the step down unit, don't take the nurse's diagnosis. Ask to see a doctor. I haven't posted in a while since I lost my mom in February. She had her surgery done at Columbia Presbyterian by Dr. Oz. My brother stayed with her every single minute. When she started having complaints of chest pain, the nurses insisted she was having a panic attack instead and gave her a Percocet instead of getting a doctor's advice. I think sometimes the nurses are just too lax and don't take complaints seriously. Insist on a doctor checking him out if he has any complaints whatsoever. I'm sure Gary will be fine. I wish you all the best with Gary's surgery.

Kathy
 
KathyAntonelli said:
Christine:

The only advice I can give you is if your husband has any complaints in the step down unit, don't take the nurse's diagnosis. Ask to see a doctor. I haven't posted in a while since I lost my mom in February. She had her surgery done at Columbia Presbyterian by Dr. Oz. My brother stayed with her every single minute. When she started having complaints of chest pain, the nurses insisted she was having a panic attack instead and gave her a Percocet instead of getting a doctor's advice. I think sometimes the nurses are just too lax and don't take complaints seriously. Insist on a doctor checking him out if he has any complaints whatsoever. I'm sure Gary will be fine. I wish you all the best with Gary's surgery.
Kathy

Kathy,
I am glad to see you posting a response to this serious question. Sometimes we forget how important a family member can be in terms of advocating care.
I hope you have had some measure of healing since the time that you lost your mom,
 
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Christine ...

What hospital is he having the surgery done in?
 
j0ej0hn said:
Christine ...

What hospital is he having the surgery done in?

Weill Cornell - Check your IM I just IMed you! Good to hear from you!
Christine
 
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