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Chrisandgary

I know we touched base on this awhile ago - but I am looking for some more info. Gary is doing awesome (3rd OHS for aortic aneuyrsm on 8/23/05) he has been back to work for 4 weeks and has just quit his job! He and another fellow from the same company became partners and started their own business. We will be on Cobra for 18 months or less (depending on how fast I research all of this) and then we need to find our own health insurance. I understand we can get a small group with 2 employees. My question is - will we have a problem because of Garys heart history - or as long as we go from Cobra to another policy with NO LAPSE in coverage we should be okay? I am not so much worried as to the expense but as to him being uninsurable.
Thanks guys!
Christine
 
Well..... In most states in order for a small group business to be waived from pre existing conditions, there have to be 25 employees... there may be some exceptions in some states, I am not sure. I would try to find the web site for your state for the Insurance Commissioner, also you may want to call Blue Cross Blue Shield in your state and also the Insurance Commissioner's office.. Yes, it could be a problem. We are going thru a similar situation, we are moving to S Carolina but are on an individual policy with B/C B/S of Florida, and even tho I will have continous coverage, I will be denied for 12 months by B/C B/S of S Carolina for my heart condition but S carolina does have a high risk pool but it is very expensive.. I may be better off getting a part time job with medical benefits and going on a group policy, not sure what I am going to do yet.. Please let me know what you find out, I have a feeling that it is going to be a problem. You would think that all states would be the same but they are not!!!! It is a very frustrating issue, especially when you are in that in between age (I am 59). Good Luck Rose
 
As someone else has said, the laws are different in every State. Some States have an insurance pool for small businesses (between 2 & 25 employees). These States typically have a list of insurers that participate in the pool. If I recall correctly, each of these insurers must provide the same types of coverage. Once an insurance carrier, and the type of insurance coverage is selected, the business makes application. Once the application is made, the insurer tests the business for viability. This test may include the need to submit to them financial statement for the company and/or income tax returns for the business and/or its employees. (In the States with which I'm familiar, you can't just start a business and immediately get small business health insurance. Connecticut may be an exception.) Only after they determine the business is viable, based on State established guidelines, must the insurer issue a policy.

Although this is only speculation, my guess is this viability test is probably scrutinized less for two healthy 25 year olds starting some dot com business, than it may be for two fifty somethings, one of whom they learned in the application has had OHS. If the business passes the test, and a policy is issued, and one of the employees has been continuously insured via COBRA, that person is eligible for coverage from the small business without exclusion for pre-existing conditions (HIPPA).

As an aside, even though the business is accepted into the small business pool, the cost of the premiums may be a jaw dropper.

I did what you are considering @ 1995?. When I started I considered the premiums somewhat reasonable, even with a gold plated policy. My small business, by most standards, was fairly successful. By 2002 -2003 the premiums for my wife (the other employee in the business) and I started creeping up towards ~ $30,000./yr. (Although it's a pool, the premiums were still age adjusted.) This premium cost did not include co-pays or deductibles. The business viability testing had become a yearly event at renewal time. So, in addition to the cost of premiums, we were incurring the additional costs of CPA's and our own time to satisfy the insurer, which was obviously attempting to get us to drop their policy. (Interestingly, the CPA company (~15 employees) we were using was under the same scrutiny. They were forced to pass on most of the premium increases to the employees.) We eventually dropped the policy.

My wife got a part time job as a Pharmacy Technician for a large grocery chain. She works two ten hour days per week. She worked there for six months before she was eligible for insurance benefits. Once she received them, instead of the cost of virtual self-insuring, we cancelled our business health insurance policy, and calculated the true worth of her part time salary to be about $45,000./year.

While I must admit our business health insurance policy was an excellent one, the policy she receives at her job is almost as good. Any differences in costs are made up easily by the actual salary she receives. Perhaps of interest, about one year following her receipt of benefits, her policy paid for my second OHS, without a hitch. My only regret is that my former business health insurer, to whom we had paid tens of thousands of dollars in premiums without any significant claims, got off the hook.

If I recall correctly, I may echo the sentiments of some others in this forum. By most recent count, there are 45 million uninsured people in the US. This is more than the total population living in the North East:Connecticut, Maine, Massachusetts, New Hampshire, New Jersey, New York, Rhode Island and Vermont, combined. 45 million is 20 million more people than the total population of Iraq. Due to the increasing cost of health insurance, this number of uninsured is rising. Because of the lack of health insurance, many people are reluctant or precluded in getting appropriate medical care. For some, an illness resulting in costly medical procedures results in personal financial ruin. (Along with starting a business, you might also consider some estate planning to protect assets. In some ways, maintaining healthcare coverage has, out of necessity, sunk to gamesmanship.) It's a disgrace to the richest country in the world.

I apologize for waxing, and your situation may be different, but your apparent plight, and that of many others, is troubling.

Good Luck!
 
*nods*

Darn right it is troubling....and a disgrace.

Just wish there was something we could collectively DO about it :(.

*sighs*

And, it is worse for those who are single who don't have the option of having a spouse go to work for benefits.....
 
The laws are very different in every state I found out. I'm pretty sure here in MN a small group insurance policy CANNOT turn you down because of health reasons but they can charge you more because of your health although there is a limit as to how much they can raise it. However, I know I can get turned down with an individual policy because of my health condition. I'm also going to be starting a small business once I recover from surgery and a good place to get information about anything that has to do with health insurance is from an insurance agency. I know here, it's free of charge and they shop around for prices pertaining to your health and will meet you with a list of insurance provider's and quotes. The one I dealt with when we started health insurance at the gym I'm at now, knew everything there was to know about health insurance. That's what I'm going to do again once I start the new business. Just a suggestion, it can't hurt it's free.

Carista
 
President Clinton signed a bill for people with pre existing conditions. Or people coming off cobra.
In NM is it called the New Mexico Health Insurance Alliance. It is not something insurance companies want to talk about. I had a heck of a time getting BCBS to tell me about it. But I knew it existed as I had watched him sign it on the news. Now I have been on it for years. The premium is not real cheap but cheaper than some. You join a group of other people. You can also sign up business with workers/no workers.
If a president signed this it should be in every state.
Good luck.
 
I am self employed and I had a valve repair in Jan 2005. Luckly for me I have what I consider a pretty good policy and I am not looking to change. However, being self-employed I do get sales people calling me about different things and three times this year I have had insurence sales calls. They go thru the usual questions and when they get to heart surgery, and they find out I had it, they say I am uninsurable. When I tell them it was a mitral repair one said I have to wait three years, and one said five years, but the last one said no way could I get insurence. I told her I already have it after she took on an atitude about her not being able to help me after finding out about the surgery. I had to remind her she called me I didn't call her.

I don't think I could get it now though. I agree with everyone who says there should be a better way. It's going up again in December, $80.00 added on to the premium and I wonder, how does a person find that extra $s laying around to fund that every month? So many of us are in the same boat. In my case I can pass it on to my customers with higher prices but that just adds to their woes.
A never ending circle.
 
Sounds like you had a great time in the mountains, Pam :).

One thing you wrote caught me offguard just a bit ... about not mentioning your name. Unfortunately, the companies I spoke with a few weeks ago asked...and I told them ... arg. Just curious as to why that is a "no no".....
 
Ah, crap...I didn't think about that (them putting my name in their database or on their radar). Crap....just one more thing :(.

*scratches head*

Maybe I'll tell them I'm Bob Lutz (GM person) or Dusty Baker (Cubs manager)....he he he he.
 
This is a subject that obviously is not directly relevant to myself living on the other side of the world; however I have decided to do a little research on it because it is always such a hot topic. California runs a program for residents that allow them to be individually insured for 36 months even if they have chronic health problems and then provides for guaranteed acceptance with a regular insurance provider at the end of the period with only a 10% loading on the normal premium. I have included the link. http://www.insurance.ca.gov/0100-consumers/0100-insurance-guides/0500-health-series/mrmip.cfm Now I know most of you do not live California, however, according to the following document (page 32) on the Blue Cross site with strategy options to deal with the US uninsured medical problem. There are currently 32 states that run a similar program despite Federal funding having expired in 2004. http://www.bcbs.com/news/reference_guides/Uninsured_book.pdf I am not sure on what the eligibility criteria is in each state, however it could be worth your while following it up. I would be interested to read your comments. :) .
 
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