Had my first shot of Pfzier vaccine.

[Sheenas7]

Just hello every one. I had my first shot on a Tuesday February 9 and that morning prior to the vaccine, my INR was 2.5.
I only had pain in the arm and some feeling of being tired and a malaise. No fever and nothing more. That night I took a regular Tylenos and slept. Next day still felt tired and watched movies and basically didn't do anything much. By 2:00 pm the fatigue lifted and I felt back to normal. A week later my INR was 2.9. That's good. Still in range.
I have heard the second shot carries more side effects. I am suppose to get that in a couple of weeks from today so I'll let you know how it goes. Best to everyone.

 

[dick0236]

My wife and I are due to get our first shots tomorrow AM.

With the benefit of hindsight, I am wondering if I had a mild infection of Covid back in Sept/Oct. I went thru a period +/- couple weeks when I could not walk 100' without stopping to rest, had unusual fatigue and tiredness and I blew it off as getting old with a heart problem.....now I am not sure since the shortness of breath and unusual fatigue is gone and I am back to being a normal 85 year old.

 

[pellicle]

A week later my INR was 2.9. That's good. Still in range.

What sort of variance do you normally see in your INR. That is well within the usual ups and downs I have.

 

[Sheenas7]

What sort of variance do you normally see in your INR. That is well within the usual ups and downs I have.

I have been pretty stable. My lowest being 2.3 and my highest being 3.7 the last few months.
I feel the vaccine did not change much if anything. I like it when I am in the 3's but my doctor doesn't
change anything when I get into the 2.3 or 2.4 range.
I seem to come back up on my own. I believe with Jantoven I have had more 2.5 readings than with Coumadin. But it is mostly in range and so I am ok.
I thought that maybe the vaccine Pifzer could change the numbers but it did not.

 

[pellicle]

I have been pretty stable. My lowest being 2.3 and my highest being 3.7 the last few months...

ok, so reading this I get the impression that you don't change dose much and the result is that your INR result bumbles around between 2.3 and 3.7 on the same dose, is that right?

do you manage your dose in any way or does the doctor do that for you?

The thing which has the most significant influence on your INR stability is anything which uses "the liver" (cytochrome p450, which is a mechanism your body has for removing toxins).

You'll find that a number of things influence this not just drugs. Knowing this one would be surprised if a vaccine had any effect (unless it made you sick).

 

[slipkid]

The thing which has the most significant influence on your INR stability is anything which uses "the liver" (cytochrome p450, which is a mechanism your body has for removing toxins).

Ah so this must be the reason they discourage alcohol use on warfarin? I don't drink anyways so made no diff to me but was told multiple times things like "make sure you cut down your drinking since you are on warfarin now" (despite my telling the dr's I don't drink every time they mention it).

 

[pellicle]

Ah so this must be the reason they discourage alcohol use on warfarin? I

That and increased risks of a fall

 

[pellicle]

and I am back to being a normal 85 year old.

Personally I'm not impressed with being a normal late 50yo , so you're not sexing up the next 30 years...

 

[dick0236]

...........so you're not sexing up the next 30 years...

It is what it is. I forget, tell me again about that word ***.....ing, I forget!

But to be serial for a moment. I had my first Covid vaccination this morning about 8am. No side effects so far. I was really impressed with the vaccination clinic that was set up for only the Covid shot. Their plan is to do about 1000/day.

 

[pellicle]

I forget, tell me again about that word ***.....ing

LOL ...

 

[pellicle]

It is what it is. I forget, tell me again about that word ***.....ing, I forget!

well sexing up something (I have only distant memories about *** its been 10 years) is attempting to increase its appeal with attempts too apply dressings to it selectively

myself I've found other more reliable methods of finding something more attractive

 

[Chuck C]

Just hello every one. I had my first shot on a Tuesday February 9 and that morning prior to the vaccine, my INR was 2.5.
I only had pain in the arm and some feeling of being tired and a malaise. No fever and nothing more. That night I took a regular Tylenos and slept. Next day still felt tired and watched movies and basically didn't do anything much. By 2:00 pm the fatigue lifted and I felt back to normal. A week later my INR was 2.9. That's good. Still in range.
I have heard the second shot carries more side effects. I am suppose to get that in a couple of weeks from today so I'll let you know how it goes. Best to everyone.

Thanks for sharing your experience and your INR result. My mom just had her second shot on Monday, Moderna. Just soreness in the arm at shot site, same as first dose.

 

[Chuck C]

well sexing up something (I have only distant memories about *** its been 10 years) is attempting to increase its appeal with attempts too apply dressings to it selectively

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myself I've found other more reliable methods of finding something more attractive

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Is that one of them Australian lamas? They sure grow then pretty there!

 

[Sheenas7]

ok, so reading this I get the impression that you don't change dose much and the result is that your INR result bumbles around between 2.3 and 3.7 on the same dose, is that right?

do you manage your dose in any way or does the doctor do that for you?

The thing which has the most significant influence on your INR stability is anything which uses "the liver" (cytochrome p450, which is a mechanism your body has for removing toxins).

You'll find that a number of things influence this not just drugs. Knowing this one would be surprised if a vaccine had any effect (unless it made you sick).

My doctor manages my INR. He doesn't change my dose much. That is right. I do seem to stay in thet range most of the time.

 

[pellicle]

I do seem to stay in thet range most of the time.

its a pretty valid approach given the range which is "low risk of harm". I'm just one to try to optimise things

 

[pellicle]

Is that one of them Australian lamas? They sure grow then pretty there!

to quote from a Clint Eastwood movie
"purrdier than a two dolla hore"

 

[Chuck C]

to quote from a Clint Eastwood movie
"purrdier than a two dolla hore"

And the more whisky you drink, they prettier they get!!

 

[slipkid]

I had my first shot (Pfizer) last Thursday morning.

I purposely did it right after work since I then had 2 days off to recover if I had a reaction (I work nights now, 12 hour shifts that are actually 15 hour days but I digress). So glad I did it that way because I would not have been able to work either Thurs or Fri night. Was totally exhausted. I normally get about 6 hours sleep a night if I'm lucky but both of those days I slept for 11 hours (and would have slept more but I had things I needed to get done).

My arm was so sore I could not lift it over my shoulder either of those days either but it was not sore as of Sat night.

Was difficult staying awake at work Sat/Sun/Mon nights and am still more tired than usual (had off last night & tonight) but bearable.

Tested my INR last night and is a little lower than previous tests (went 2.2, 2.0, 2.3, 2.2, 2.1, then 1.9 last night) but nothing alarming. And could just be my usual variance, who knows.

I believe that my soreness/fatigue is because I have already been infected with Covid but recovered, so my immune system already was keyed in to it so to speak and went crazy over the top (which I also believe is why they tell you to expect a bigger reaction to the 2nd shot than the first, for those who had not been exposed yet).

Not looking fwd to the 2nd shot but at same time am not expecting it to be any worse than the first one, if my theory is correct regardin exposure, but who knows...

 

[Chuck C]

I believe that my soreness/fatigue is because I have already been infected with Covid but recovered, so my immune system already was keyed in to it so to speak and went crazy over the top (which I also believe is why they tell you to expect a bigger reaction to the 2nd shot than the first, for those who had not been exposed yet).

Yes, I believe this is exactly right. Reports are that those who have had Covid have a significant reaction to the first shot. I am in the same situation as you. Had Covid in June. Got my first vaccine about two weeks ago and I can relate to your comments about being tired. I had a very low grade fever and tired for several days. I was just two weeks out from valve surgery when I received my vaccine, so I had a little bit of a double whammy for a few times in terms of being tired. My symptoms from the vaccine were very similar to how I felt when I actually had Covid.

Studies have shown that those of us who have had Covid have an amazing antibody response to the first shot, so much so that many experts are claiming that we don't need two shots:

" University of Maryland School of Medicine and the Icahn School of Medicine at Mount Sinai, have shown that previously infected COVID-19 patients mount an antibody response to a single dose that is equal to or exceeds two doses in those not previously infected"

https://www.usatoday.com/story/opin...-doses-mrna-covid-vaccines-column/4771797001/

 

[slipkid]

Dr's are so far behind the curve on so many things though, that I am sure practically none of them know to tell patients that have tested positive to NOT get a 2nd shot though. I know this is the case around here anyways, at least for some people, because some of the people I know at work who DID test positive, some of whom were really sick, are all getting two shots anyway (they might not need any at all). I feel that if the antibody tests are working now (last year they were mostly junk with no regulation/oversight and something like only 20-30% accurate) people should get tested first to see if they even need the shots now to save the doses...but what do I know....my Dr's historically refuse to listen to anything I have to say...

(We just had 4 more people test positive at work in the last week btw)