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catwoman

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Acquaintance said something a day ago and I just need to get something off my chest.
I was in Missouri, eating some fried shrimp. Someone I know said in a front of other acquaintances and strangers, "Should you be eating that?" I was taken aback, knowing I was giving up some of my Weight Watchers weekly points for my "treat," but wondering how she knew. I asked what she meant and she said, "You've had heart surgery, you shouldn't be eating any fried foods."
I said, it was OK, my PCP & cardio didn't have me on any meds other than coumadin, that I had lost 35 pounds since going into the hospital for MVR. And that it was OK for me to (occasionally) eat fried foods.
Then she goes into why it took me soooo long to recover from MVR. "My sister had OHS and she didn't have any problems," she said. I didn't say a word in response.

Later a few friends and people I didn't know really well came up and commisserated with me.
First of all, her sister didn't have MVR; she had to have her aorta repaired (dissection, I think). Sister is mentally retarded, probably 50s or 60s I guess, in a facility, does not work/is not active. Heart problem was detected during testing for cancer surgery.

When she laid into me, it wasn't a setting where I could educate her that not all OHS is the same and not all VR is the same.

In my case, I was in severe mitral valve regurgitation, was cyanotic 2MO pre-op, left side of heart enlarging, etc. I could actually hear the valve leaflets slapping at each other. My surgeon tried to repair the valve, too much damage, so he put in a St. Jude and then repaired an atrial septal defect.
I went back to work @ 6-7 weeks, was already back to traveling (air/car) to cat shows. I think I did just fine, at least to other people, but I didn't feel "normal" until February or March of this year. (Mainly because I burn the candle at both ends and in the middle and heart surgery kinda trims the wick you might say).

Sorry, but I just had to vent. Because this person is sure to bring this up again, I do need to be prepared to "educate" her without chewing her out.

But how would some of you folks handle such an "assault," as I saw it?
 
Sorry about that

Sorry about that

Wish I could tell you what to say, but I would have burst into tears. Maybe later on, you could have a private talk with her about how inaccurate her statements were and would she please refrain from those kinds of comments in groups of friends.

Peggy in Alaska
 
Hi Marsha (catwoman) -

I don't know what I really would have done. I am usually so flabbergasted that someone is so insensitive or ignorant that I clam up because it really makes me FLAMING mad and I know that if I open my mouth I'll be sorry later. (It's the Irish in me...)

But what would I have liked to have done, had I been in your situation? I'd liked to have coughed up a hairball for her... but that would really be "catty," like the hairball she coughed up! heehee

Hang in there. We know what it's like. And bravo on your 35 pounds! That's fantastic!
 
I would have said "shut up and pass the hush puppies". :D ;)
 
Jeez, what people say!

I usually grin and say, "You wish you had arteries as clear as mine." That almost always works, and keeps things in a light mood.

When people persist, followup lines for that become progressively less jolly. I'm afraid I don't have the restraint or tolerance for knotheads that Susan gracefully shows. I figure life's too short to suffer cheap shots easily.

Sounds like you didn't have much of a chance to say anything anyway. That was just a mean-spirited way for her to behave. She must have been working off her annoyance at something else on you. Hopefully, she'll realize the shallowness of what she said and apologize to you later in some way.

Best wishes,
 
Marsha-

You have been assaulted by a ****. And in my present situation I don't use that word lightly! :p

If she starts in again, just let her rant, and then quietly tell her that there are all kinds of heart conditions, and that she doesn't have any understanding of the type of heart problem that you have. Then offer to educate her if she has a half hour to spare. Valve problems are quite different from blocked arteries.

Enjoy your fried shrimp, they are SO-o-o good! Gee, Joe had fried chicken last night, it was good too.
 
Dear Marsha, I can really feel your frustration and anger. I've had the same thing happen to me over and over.. and they don't even know me.. They just 'assume' because I ate one egg that I'm not taking care of myself. I never had a cholesterol problem for 10 years until the last couple years. Heck my husband had the high cholesterol - and didn't have a heart attack - but I had a low one and I did !!! But that's not important - what is important is how to deal with these 'ignorant' people. My cardiologist once told me - they're ignorant don't listen to them. I don't hang around with the same friends I had before. Mainly because they couldn't bother to take the time to understand my medical condition - or they were so 'adament' that they knew everything and I was doing everything wrong.. Even my own sister said to me - well if you'd taken care of yourself !!! She said that when she smokes and she ate awful.. We don't talk much anymore.. Its very upsetting.

I usually fume for days to my husband when someone upsets me and says things they don't know anything about.. Half the people I work with think I had a bypass.. and they don't understand it and what's more they don't want to. They just want to 'categorize' us all - god forbid they should try to understand something and actually 'learn' something..

I think the best way to handle it - at least for me - was to have 'empathy' for people like that. It helped me in getting over the pain of them 'hurting' my feelings. Perhaps they 'think' they are being helpful.

I tend to think for the most part people at work are just being office 'caddies'.. but I do think some are actually trying to educate me sincerely.. But only you can judge her sincereity.. I've made alot of 'new' friends since my heart attack. I think its worked out best for me.. I don't care to try and 'convince' someone that what I'm doing is 'alright'...

After all it 'really' doesn't matter what they think - the only thing that matters is what I think.. I hope this helps..

Sending lots of HUGS...
Best Wishes
Marilyn (runner)
 
We had a big discussion on this forum a few years ago regarding this subject.
It just shows how ignorant many, many people are when it comes to heart surgery.
I got the same thing at work a lot of times.
Before my surgery I smoked, drank a little and and didn't eat 'heart healthy'.
Well no more smoking or drinking but I still eat whatever I please.
My arteries were all clear and my cholesterol was at 170.
Just try to stay cool and educate these people.
 
Some people can be really nasty!

Some people can be really nasty!

Hi Marsha, I know it's easy to think afterwards that you could have said this or that, but when it's a totally unexpected situtation, we tend to say nothing. Anyway, one of the things you could have said when she mentioned a slow recovery, if you'd had enough time to think, was that you're not trying to compete with anybody and the important thing is not how fast you recover, but how well, and that you're feeling great. That alone might have shut her up. I go through something similar when people keep insisting that I should have had a little brother or sister for Bruna and that having only one child is bad and all that predictable stuff. I'm so fed up with hearing all this that now all I say when other women keep going on about it, is that it's none of their business and I don't see how my decision would affect their lives. I also say that I wonder how many of them would help me bring up the kids. Well, it seems to work because it just puts an end to the subject. Being rude is not my style, but there are times when you see that some people are just out to get at you and that's when you have to stick up for yourself! I hope this helps you handle things better next time you come across someone like that again, which I hope you don't.
Débora
 
Marsha,
I hate that you were in Missouri when your acquaintance decided to showcase her ignorance.
Please don't hold it against the rest of us!
I don't think she's a Missourian, but in the event that she is, I will apologize for her boorish behavior.
Try not to give it another thought. Next time you see her, look straight at her and picture her head as a piece of shrimp! Then just stand there and laugh!
Mary
 
Marhsa, I can't believe that people can be so rude. The best way is just to ignore her because that's what she proves that she is, ignorant. Missourian's usually are very thoughtful and wouldn't think of saying something so rude. If there is a next time, kill her with kindness. It will blow her mind. Hugs are coming your way!
 
Hi Marsha.....

Very few words.....IMHO, Just CHEW HER OUT!! You'll definitely feel better.

Evelyn
 
I know I'd probably say something like:

"Yeah, you're probably right... but I shouldn't be drinking coffee, or talking on mobile phones, or sitting in front of a computer, or breathing in the polluted air, or doing 100 and 1 other things that are likely to end up killing me one way or another, so I figure I can lock myself away from the world, do all the "right" things and live a long and miserable existance - OR - I can eat my fried shrimp from time to time, indulge in a few other pleasures in life and enjoy whatever time I have left to the fullest!!!".

But then it's always much easier to come up with snappy come-backs when you've had time to mull over things, isn't it? :rolleyes: As long as YOU are happy with your choices that's the important thing..... and congratulations on your weight loss. I bet now you've had your surgery you've got even more energy to keep it off.

All the best
Anna : )
 
What a witch!

What a witch!

Gosh, Marsha, I think I would have had to go for the jugular. Next time ask her what med school she graduated from. She wants you to heed her unsolicited advice about something she obviously knows nothing about over the educated opinions of two licensed physicians, one of whom specializes in cardiac issues???? :confused: Tell her she can get arrested for practicing medicine without a license. :eek:

Try not to lose any sleep over such a senseless woman. Some people are just consumed with negativity. Try and avoid her in the future. If it is really getting your goat, then you could try writing her a letter explaining "things" to her, but it is most likely a waste of your time and energy. Might make you feel better, though.

Take care and God bless.
 
Thanks for the comments and suggestions. I'm still fuming, and I have to see this person again this weekend. I may take her aside in private and give her a little education.

Glenda and Mary:
No, she wasn't from Missouri. I was in Cuba, Mo. (not much there, huh?) for a cat show, stayed in Sullivan. Drive between Cuba and St. Louis on I-44 was just gorgeous. I always enjoy going to Missouri; may go back for a show just across the state line from St. Louis, in Collinsville, first weekend of November so I can visit my niece who lives in STL.
 
It's telling this person made such remarks in such a public place. I think this she has an axe to grind with you that has nothing to do with what you eat nor how long you alone took to recover.In your case I probably would have smiled and thanked her for her concern and asked her what she recommened for desert.I have a lot of empathy for your situation.I wasn't even out of the hospital an hour when my sister decided to rip me to shreds about every single aspect of my life.I was in too much schock as it was, to deal with her BS too.Now? I avoid her.As I do anyone who is so ignorant and proud to be so.I bet deep down,amoung other things, this twit is really jelous of your strength.
 
I think Eloise is probably right.

I was wondering also if the catty lady's sister even had OHS. A distant cousin of mine had aortic aneurysms repaired through his groin, in and up both sides, somewhat like an angiogram. It's no cake-walk but certainly the recovery would likely be easier than a gentle saw through the ol' sternum... and some nice and sharp twisty wire to fasten it back together...
 
Marsha

Marsha

If you are alone with her, I would say..By the Way, how is your sister doing? Did you let her stay at your house during her recovery? Did you drive her to her post-surgery doctor's appointments..Did you carry food to her for the first few weeks..(Knowing that she was in a facility)..she will probably say, no, she went back to her facility. Then I would say, oh, but you did visit with her the first 3 months to make sure she was doing O.K.? I bet her sister went straight to the facility and she never knew how badly her sister really felt.......then, being the nice person I am....Be kind to UNKIND people (they probably need it most :p ) bonnie
 
Catwoman,

I get that all the time. I'm usually at a BBQ joint or a fried fish place like Zeke's on camp Bowie. I just tell them I had a valve problem, not a problem with clogged arteries. I ride my bicycle a lot and go to chili cookoffs but only at restaurants where there are people who generally don't exercise at all, do you here stuff like that. You can also tell them that since your heart was rebuilt, your odometer has been rolled back and that you can eat or drink anything you want. That always gets them wondering!!!!!

Have fun.

Jim
 
Wow Marsha, I can relate. This has happened a couple of times to me. The first time, I was able stay calm and tell myself the person meant well, but was ignorant and presumptious. I told her that I'd be happy to fill her in on all my medical particulars when she had some time. Not another word.

The next time, I was already wound up about something else, and the smarta** part of me replied "I already have a mother, thanks." I regretted that one, but somehow it *felt* better, LOL. This was with a person who has always rubbed me the wrong way, so perhaps that had something to do with it.

For me, the key is not to let my emotions spin up too quickly in response (hey, I'm a redhead underneath this grey, OK?) :D
 
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