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Val

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I went to the ER with a fever of 101 F because I recently had an ablation was following discharge instructions. Because I was found to have slightly elevated troponin levels and WBC even though I no longer had a fever, they admitted me.

They started culturing my blood and giving me a series of tests including an echo. Only the echo was a little off. Showed slightly more regurgitation across my onx aortic valve than a year ago. Cardiology recommended a TEE (trans esophageal echo) if my blood culture came back positive.

By day 3 Troponin levels were in a steady decline, WBC was normal, so I was to be discharged the following day. That night blood culture came back positive so the next day I had the TEE which show infection of the OnX valve, root and synthetic aortic artery. The same day I met with a surgeon that I didn't know and surgery to replace the OnX is scheduled for Friday, that is 4 days in the future.

This happened yesterday. Suddenly my future is uncertain.
 
Val - I'm very sorry to hear about this. You can do this! This is a challenge, but

YOU WILL BE FINE.

Remember that many people have a successful 2nd heart surgery. It is not what we want, but it is doable. I will pray for you.

I recently had an ablation
Was this a cardiac ablation? I have seen the term "ablation" used for procedures involving tumors.
When was the ablation performed? How soon after the ablation did you start feeling sick?
When did they start treatment with antibiotics? Which antibiotics, and how were they administered?
 
Val - I'm very sorry to hear about this. You can do this! This is a challenge, but

YOU WILL BE FINE.

Remember that many people have a successful 2nd heart surgery. It is not what we want, but it is doable. I will pray for you.


Was this a cardiac ablation? I have seen the term "ablation" used for procedures involving tumors.
When was the ablation performed? How soon after the ablation did you start feeling sick?
When did they start treatment with antibiotics? Which antibiotics, and how were they administered?
IV vancomycin is the antibiotic. Afib / Aflutter heart ablation 10 days before symptoms. Endocarditis is at least 3-4 months old. The recent ablation plus fever is what sent me to the ER otherwise I would never have been diagnosed so early. No symptoms except maybe high normal fever, worsening arrhythmia and a little weight loss.

My insecurities about upcoming valve replacement is: surgeon I don't know, no chance to research valves and unknown how much heart damage endocarditis caused.

This will be my 3rd aortic replacement surgery.
 
My insecurities about upcoming valve replacement is: surgeon I don't know, no chance to research valves and unknown how much heart damage endocarditis caused.
OK, I'm a little lost, but you mentioned earlier that you have an On-X valve.
Showed slightly more regurgitation across my onx aortic valve than a year ago.

Has someone said that will be replaced because of the infection or is this an assumption?

Why are you researching valve types? There really isn't much to research as they (mechanical) are pretty much all the same.

You're already on warfarin right? Your "About" has:

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So you have had an On-X and a Bental some time back.

Best wishes
 
Hi Val,

I am so sorry to hear this. Endocarditis is something I certainly fear and hope that never happens to any of us. However, in your situation, I would focus on the positive aspects. I think these are: IT looks like your case of endocarditis was caught early. This means that hopefully the Bacteria haven’t caused much damage yet. It also means that odds of a successful redo operation are higher. I think that this is good news and your medical team should be commended for being so thorough to have found the actual problem.

I think that valve choice should probably be the same as before? What did the surgeon say. From my own layman’s understanding is that they will need to remove all artificial material and redo your Bentall.

You definetly dont want a 4th OHS, so perhaps a mechanical remains the best option. I think that the studies say that endocarditis risk across mechanical valves is roughly the same.

I will keep my fingers crossed for you.

Please do let us know once you are on the other side.

I would also focus on the positives: They caught this early. I think that this good news in a bad news type situation.

Sending you all my best wishes for an uneventful surgery and swift recovery.

The only think I would say if you are uncomfortable with the Surgeon, perhaps asked to be moved to a top place like Stanford, Cleveland Clinic etc…
 
Sorry to hear about this Val.

On the bright side, they caught it early and, also, it is good that they are able to get you right in to operate.

Wishing you all the best with your procedure.

Please keep us updated on how things go, once you feel up to it.
 
I missed this in my first reading

That night blood culture came back positive so the next day I had the TEE which show infection of the OnX valve, root and synthetic aortic artery

so basically this whole graft needs to be redone.

I hope the procedure goes well.

Best Wishes
 
I have Googled my surgeon and he seems well qualified
That is good news.

He's not an OnX fan so it will probably be a St. Jude.
I think both valves are good. I'm personally a little partial to St. Jude, as that is what I currently have and my surgeon made a good case as to why he prefers that over OnX. I'm also glad to hear that his first priority is a mechanical valve. I believe that you are about 68 years old. If it was your first valve surgery, tissue would be a very reasonable choice. But, in that this is your 3rd surgery and you really want to avoid a 4th, mechanical seems to be the optimal choice. 1) You are already on warfarin and know what life is like on warfarin. 2) As mentioned, you want to avoid OHS #4 3) Having had endocarditis, you could be more likely to get it again compared to the average valve patient. Studies have shown that tissue valves are more succecptible to endocarditis than mechanical valves. 4) You went through your first tissue valve in just 8 years, suggesting that you might have a condition which causes you to go through tissue valves relatively quickly, such as elevated Lp(a). But, it sounds like you were about in your late 40s when you received your tissue valve, and getting 8 years for someone that age is pretty normal, even if on the shorter end of the normal range. Having said that, if during the operation he decides that a mechanical valve won't work, in that you are almost 20 years older now, all things being equal, you should get more mileage out of a tissue valve this time around than you did the first time around.

Wishing you great success in your surgery and recovery.

Please keep us posted when you feel well enough to do so. You are in my thoughs.
 
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Thanks for your kind thoughts. Surgeon second choice would be a homograph valve which does sound like a great option but the surgery is much more complicated.
I had a homograft when I was 28, it saw Mr through till 48

They are great options if they are done right.

Best wishes
 
Hey Val

Surgeon second choice would be a homograph valve which does sound like a great option but the surgery is much more complicated.

I thought I'd just add something more to this if you're still reading.

So to me the advantage of a mechanical in your situation is that you can get a mechanical with a bental (aortic artery graft) pre attached by the manufacturer, but you can not get a homograft that way. As such that will need to be done in surgery and will further complicate what will already be a complicated surgery.

So I'd be sort of surprised if he picks a homograft in your case.

For my surgery when I was 48 I had a mechanical (ATS) and a aneurysm repair (Bental) and my surgeon picked the ATS because that had a graft pre-attached and at that time On-X did not. I'm grateful for that fact because I'm glad that I got the ATS rather than the On-X valve for a number of minor reasons.

I hope your surgery goes well.
 
Hey Val



I thought I'd just add something more to this if you're still reading.

So to me the advantage of a mechanical in your situation is that you can get a mechanical with a bental (aortic artery graft) pre attached by the manufacturer, but you can not get a homograft that way. As such that will need to be done in surgery and will further complicate what will already be a complicated surgery.

So I'd be sort of surprised if he picks a homograft in your case.

For my surgery when I was 48 I had a mechanical (ATS) and a aneurysm repair (Bental) and my surgeon picked the ATS because that had a graft pre-attached and at that time On-X did not. I'm grateful for that fact because I'm glad that I got the ATS rather than the On-X valve for a number of minor reasons.

I hope your surgery goes well.

Hey Val



I thought I'd just add something more to this if you're still reading.

So to me the advantage of a mechanical in your situation is that you can get a mechanical with a bental (aortic artery graft) pre attached by the manufacturer, but you can not get a homograft that way. As such that will need to be done in surgery and will further complicate what will already be a complicated surgery.

So I'd be sort of surprised if he picks a homograft in your case.

For my surgery when I was 48 I had a mechanical (ATS) and a aneurysm repair (Bental) and my surgeon picked the ATS because that had a graft pre-attached and at that time On-X did not. I'm grateful for that fact because I'm glad that I got the ATS rather than the On-X valve for a number of minor reasons.

I hope your surgery goes well.
The reason my surgeon would use a homograft is if there is active infection. Unlike mechanical and biological valves, homograft is resistant to endocarditis.
 
The reason my surgeon would use a homograft is if there is active infection. Unlike mechanical and biological valves, homograft is resistant to endocarditis.
this is quite old thinking (and was the reason I suspected he'd mentioned it). I recall reading of this shift some decade or so ago but did another search this morning to make sure. I was going to post this with my above, so I'll leave it here now for you to read and if inclined be asking him

The choice of a homograft or mechanical valve for an aortic position in active endocarditis depends on several factors, including the patient's profile, the extent of the infection, and the risk of infection recurrence:

  • Patient profile: Patient preferences are a key consideration.

  • Infection extent: Homografts are recommended for complex infections that involve the root or aorto-mitral continuity.

  • Infection recurrence risk: The risk of infection relapse should be avoided.
Some studies have found that mechanical valves may have similar or better outcomes than homografts:

  • One study found that mechanical valve-based reconstructions had similar or better short- and long-term outcomes than homografts.

  • Another study found that homografts did not provide a significant benefit over conventional prosthetic valves in terms of survival or freedom from reinfection.

One of the links in that AI summary is this one:
https://pmc.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/articles/PMC7475423/
(from 2021)

Comparative Effectiveness of Mechanical Valves and Homografts in Complex Aortic Endocarditis​


The benefit of homografts in IE remains debatable because of the lack of RCTs (2,3,5-10,15-18).​
...​
No significant differences in overall mortality and infection recurrence have been described compared to mechanical or biological substitutes in IE (2,3,8,14,18). Klieverik et al. (14) reported similar recurrent endocarditis rates in homograft recipients compared to mechanical valves with lower freedom from reoperation (76% vs. 93%, respectively). Sabik et al. (12) reported a 95% freedom from recurrent infection exceeding 2 years and an operative mortality of 3.9% in 103 patients with prosthetic valve endocarditis (PVE).​


and

https://www.sciencedirect.com/science/article/abs/pii/S0003497520314338

Revisiting the guidelines and choice the ideal substitute for aortic valve endocarditis​

(from 2020)

Results​

Of 159 patients with complex active endocarditis, 48 (30.2%) had a valve plus patch reconstruction, and 85 (53.4%) had a root replacement. Of all, 50 (31.5%) had a mechanical valve, 56 (35.2%) had a bioprosthesis, and 53 (33.3%) had a homograft. The groups were similar in age, sex, body mass index, comorbid conditions, organism, abscess location, and mitral involvement (all P > .05). However, patients receiving mechanical reconstructions were more likely to have native valve endocarditis (46% vs 37.5% vs 17%; P = .005) and less likely to undergo root replacement (32% vs 28.6% vs 100%; P < .001). Marginal risk-adjusted operative mortality was lowest for mechanical valves (4.8%) and highest for homografts (16.9%; P = .041). Long-term survival after root replacement was worse with homografts than with mechanical valve conduits (adjusted hazard ratio, 2.9; P = .045).​

Conclusions​

In patients with complex endocarditis, mechanical valves are associated with similar, if not better, short- and long-term outcomes compared with homografts, even after adjusting for important baseline characteristics and limiting the analysis to root replacements only.​

emphasis in text mine

Best Wishes
 
oh, and in Australia at least there are two types of preservation of homograft tissue:
  • antibiotic preservation
  • cryo preservation
the former is the older style and my own was a cryo preserved one. I understood that the cryo preserved valves are the more durable (based on the study done by the institution that did my valve) and I would wonder if the "marinated in antibiotic" helped facilitate that impression in the earlier days that homograft was more resistant to "Active Infective Endocarditis"

Questions but no answers. "Homograft" is not like just one product ... there is a whole set of categories of it.

Best Wishes
 
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