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Karlynn

My husband is having a colonoscopy tomorrow and, of course, he left it up to me to read the pre-test directions. This is a large GI group in the NW Chicago Suburbs. They have 8 doctors in the group. The instructions say that if you are on Coumadin or Heparin, to stop it 5 days prior to the procedure and also consult your cardiologist. :( :( :( :( Why couldn't they just have said - consult your cardiologist?

I've been trying to find the link here for the ASGE's protocol, but the one I found no longer works. Does anyone have a working link? I'm going to email it to the group.
 
ASGE (American Society of Gastroenterologists?)

ASGE (American Society of Gastroenterologists?)

Hi Karlynn

A while back there was a lot of discussion about colonoscopies and warfarin. If memory serves the guidelines indicated that the doctor should do what he thought best. The alternatives were given--bridge with heparin or not bridge at all. I think on Al Lodwick's website there is an article about colonoscopies.

I'd try searching for previous postings on this site--I think warrenr started the thread. It was quite serious and there was a link to the ASGE.

Hope this helps.

Sandra
 
Hi Karlynn,

6 months after my MVR....I had a colonoscopy. They removed me from my Coumadin 5 days prior. In the interium...was on Lovenox. I do understand that you can have this procedure on Coumadin. Just a matter of finding someone that will agree to do so. If you happen to find one in Chicago....PLEASE let me know.:) There is also the virtual colonoscopy.
 
Hey Devil lady, here ya go, knock yourself out!

http://www.asge.org/nspages/practice/patientcare/sop/preparation/2002_antiCoag.pdf

RECOMMENDATIONS
The decision to reverse anticoagulation, risking
thromboembolic consequences, must be weighed
against the risk of continued bleeding by maintaining
the anticoagulated state. The degree of reversal
of anticoagulation should be individualized. A
supratherapeutic INR may be treated with fresh
frozen plasma. In one series, correction of the INR to
1.5 to 2.5 allowed successful endoscopic diagnosis
and therapy at rates comparable with those
achieved in nonanticoagulated patients.3 In contrast
to the use of fresh frozen plasma, the administration
of vitamin K has a delayed onset of action, and prolongs
the time required to re-establish therapeutic
anticoagulation.4
After appropriate endoscopic management, it is
generally safe to reinstitute warfarin therapy within
a few days. In a series of 27 patients who developed
gastrointestinal bleeding while on warfarin, there
was one episode of thromboembolism after withdrawal
of anticoagulation for a median of 4 days and
no subsequent bleeding after reinstitution of antico-
agulation.5 When rapid resumption of anticoagulation
is desired, intravenous heparin should be used.

http://www.asge.org/nspages/practice/patientcare/sop/preparation/2005_heparin.pdf

Gastroenterology Service, Brooke Army Medical Center, San Antonio, Texas 78234-6200, USA.

BACKGROUND: Gastrointestinal endoscopy is often required in patients taking aspirin, nonsteroidal anti-inflammatory drugs (NSAIDs), or anticoagulants. Because proper guidelines are lacking, we believe that most endoscopists use their own criteria and judgment for stopping and restarting these agents during the periendoscopic period, and the practice varies widely. The aim of our study was to identify these practices among ASGE members. METHODS: Questionnaires, each containing 22 questions with 157 responses, were sent to 3300 ASGE members, including all Gastroenterology Fellowship Program Directors. One thousand two hundred sixty-nine questionnaires were received and analyzed. RESULTS: Physicians stopped aspirin and NSAIDs more frequently before colonoscopy (81%) and ERCP (79%) than before upper endoscopy (51%) (p < 0.001). Ninety percent of physicians stopped aspirin and NSAIDs for 10 or fewer days. Only 20% of physicians performed sphincterotomy when aspirin and NSAIDs were not stopped compared with 88% and 85% (p < 0.001 for both) of physicians performing cold biopsies at esophagogastroduodenoscopy and colonoscopy, respectively, and 77% and 69% performing hot biopsies for the same procedures (p < 0.001 for all compared with sphincterotomy). Depending on the indication for anticoagulation, 51% to 60% of physicians stopped warfarin before upper endoscopy; 71% to 82% before colonoscopy; and 26% to 51% of physicians used a "heparin window." All physicians restarted warfarin immediately after diagnostic endoscopy, whereas 80% restarted it 7 or fewer days after therapeutic endoscopy. CONCLUSIONS: We conclude that a wide variation exists regarding the management of aspirin, NSAIDs, and anticoagulants in the periendoscopic period. There is a definite need for a consensus statement or guidelines for managing patients taking these agents.

PMID: 8885352 [PubMed - indexed for MEDLINE]
 
It's more the screening level colonoscopy that I'm concerned with. In Warrenr's Dad's case this was what he went in for I believe and was removed from warfarin without any bridging for 5 days. I would be more comfortable if their instruction sheet just said "If you are taking an antigoaculent PLEASE MAKE SURE YOU HAVE DISCUSSED THIS WITH YOUR GI AND YOUR CARDIOLOGIST AND HAVE A PLAN MAPPED OUT." But instead, their first instruction was "go off your Coumadin for 5 days prior." Not to mention that they also include Heparin in what you should stop 5 days prior.
 
Karlynn said:
It's more the screening level colonoscopy that I'm concerned with. In Warrenr's Dad's case this was what he went in for I believe and was removed from warfarin without any bridging for 5 days. I would be more comfortable if their instruction sheet just said "If you are taking an antigoaculent PLEASE MAKE SURE YOU HAVE DISCUSSED THIS WITH YOUR GI AND YOUR CARDIOLOGIST AND HAVE A PLAN MAPPED OUT." But instead, their first instruction was "go off your Coumadin for 5 days prior." Not to mention that they also include Heparin in what you should stop 5 days prior.
These Doctors simply do not see leaving Coumadin as a real threat for us valvies. They'd rather play the numbers by their stats book then to use some thought in the process.
 
Karlynn:

My PCP & I are preparing for me to have a colonoscopy in several months. My insurance does not cover a "routine screening" colonoscopy, so we're building a case for a "diagnostic" c-scope -- positive family history of colon cancer, personal history of polyps, etc., plus something to warrant a "diagnostic" procedure. (Sigh!)

Dr. Murphy, who oversees my anticoagulation, says I am NOT to go off warfarin for the procedure. He says that if any "small" polyps are found, the GI doc should be able to remove them, if no more than just a couple. He did say that if it's a big polyp, with a large stalk, that a repeat c-scope should be done while I'm on Lovenox.
I had 2 small polyps removed 5 years ago.

I'm comfortable with Dr. Murphy's thinking, and I think I can get my GI doc to agree. We tried to get insurance to OK a colonoscopy 2 years ago (but was turned down) and the GI doc agreed to do the colonoscopy with me on warfarin.

We just have to get it approved for coverage by insurance. Otherwise, it's about $1,400 :eek: out of my own pocket, I think, which is what the doctor's office settles with insurance for the procedure.
 
Hey Karlynn, I had a colonoscopy about a year and a half ago and was bridged with Lovenox. I have trouble with Lovenox and it was a nightmare on it, but I guess it was better than going into the hospital for Heparin IV, although at the time, I wondered. I was having some bleeding and I guess the reason to come off the Coumadin was if there were polyps to remove, they could go ahead and do it then rather than not go off the Coumadin and then have to have another colonoscopy if polyps were found. Thank God my bleeding was from a fissure and not something more serious. My husband is having his screening colonoscopy on Friday and I just looked at his instructions and they say that if you are on Coumadin, Insulin, or Plavix to consult the doctor about any changes in dosage. We go to the same gastroenterologist so when I had mine, I called the cardio about the Coumadin. It does say to stop all vitamins, aspirin, Advil, Aleve, and Ibuprofen for 7 days before the procedure. LINDA
 
Asge

Asge

From my research over the past two years it seems that the ASGE is one of the few major medical organazations that is on top of this situation. Unfortunately alot of Endo's/Gastro's are not. The following is an abstract from a survey the ASGE conducted in 1996. Even then they recommended that protocols needed to be established and the ASGE did in fact establish guidelines in 1998 and then again in 2002. The guidelines from 1998 and 2002 are virtually the same.

Gastrointestinal endoscopy in patients taking antiplatelet agents and anticoagulants: survey of ASGE members☆☆☆★★★
Shailesh C. Kadakia, MD, Carlos E. Angueira, MD, John A. Ward, PhD, Mark Moore, BS

Received 25 August 1995; received in revised form 23 September 1995; accepted 3 January 1996

Abstract
Background: Gastrointestinal endoscopy is often required in patients taking aspirin, nonsteroidal anti-inflammatory drugs (NSAIDs), or anticoagulants. Because proper guidelines are lacking, we believe that most endoscopists use their own criteria and judgment for stopping and restarting these agents during the periendoscopic period, and the practice varies widely. The aim of our study was to identify these practices among ASGE members.

Methods: Questionnaires, each containing 22 questions with 157 responses, were sent to 3300 ASGE members, including all Gastroenterology Fellowship Program Directors. One thousand two hundred sixty-nine questionnaires were received and analyzed.

Results: Physicians stopped aspirin and NSAIDs more frequently before colonoscopy (81%) and ERCP (79%) than before upper endoscopy (51%) (p < 0.001). Ninety percent of physicians stopped aspirin and NSAIDs for 10 or fewer days. Only 20% of physicians performed sphincterotomy when aspirin and NSAIDs were not stopped compared with 88% and 85% (p < 0.001 for both) of physicians performing cold biopsies at esophagogastroduodenoscopy and colonoscopy, respectively, and 77% and 69% performing hot biopsies for the same procedures (p < 0.001 for all compared with sphincterotomy). Depending on the indication for anticoagulation, 51% to 60% of physicians stopped warfarin before upper endoscopy; 71% to 82% before colonoscopy; and 26% to 51% of physicians used a ?heparin window.? All physicians restarted warfarin immediately after diagnostic endoscopy, whereas 80% restarted it 7 or fewer days after therapeutic endoscopy.

Conclusions: We conclude that a wide variation exists regarding the management of aspirin, NSAIDs, and anticoagulants in the periendoscopic period. There is a definite need for a consensus statement or guidelines for managing patients taking these agents. (Gastrointest Endosc 1996;44:309-16.)
 
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For those of you new to the site, you probably don't know that warrenr's Dad is severely paralyzed from having warfarin stopped for a colonoscopy.
 
Marsha, I would think that they would rather pay for a "routine" c-scope than a repeat to get a polyp that they had to skip the first time. But they didn't ask me.

BTW "routine colonoscopy" is an oxymoron.

So Karlynnn, how did it go?
 
So many of these doctors just don't get it.
They are more interested in covering their behinds, than in the welfare of the patient.
I feel fortunate that my cardiologist and my gastro guy, are located in the same medical building at our hospital.
They talk to each other and agree on the procedure.
The gastro guy had me stop my Coumadin for two days prior.
Then before they took me in, he had my INR checked and we did nothing until we knew the results.
We went through the test and he removed five polyps with no problems.
I beleive my INR was about 2.3 at the time of the test.
Rich
 
Hubby had the colonoscopy - had several biopsies taken to decide if he has Crohn's disease or ulcerative colitis. Never had any problems until Saturday and I guess his colon looks not so good. Very strange. Glad he wasn't on Coumadin so we didn't have to postpone the test until the procedures got worked out.

I wonder if more people were like Warren and pursued legal action if the pendulum would swing more towards the middle for doctors and anticoagulation. It's obvious they fear bleeding so much more than stroke right now.

Thanks Warren for all the links.
 
colonoscopy

colonoscopy

Here are several problems from my viewpoint:

1. Many of the physician's today were trained many years ago when coagulation was measured in pt only. They did not do INR's. The old way was not as accurate and there were many bleeding issues. Many of these physicians have not updated there knowledge and rely on past experience which for most of them were encounters with bleeding problems. Years ago a pt that was in range, by today's INR standards would have been high in many cases therefore bleeding. I have noticed over the past two years in dealing with many physician's that most of them still use the term PT when talking about coumadin levels. They don't use the term INR. I think we will see a big difference as the old school physicians retire being replaced by newly trained physician's. It will just take a long time.

2. There are many lawsuits filed in the area of anticoagulation management but most of them don't make it to trial. They are settled out of court and everything is hushed up for the most part. I have read of mediacal board sanctions placed on several physicians over the last year for mismanagement of anticoagulation.

3. Another problem is the fact that a lot of people on coumadin are elderly and when they do have an adverse event, the family members may not be aware of all the anticoagulation issues and therefore chalk up the stroke or death to the thought of it was there time to go and the pieces to the puzzle never get put together.

I think if a study were conducted on all long term coumadin patients that had a stroke or death (root cause analysis) the study would reveal a very high percentage of these being caused by anticoagulation mismanagement. Much higher than what experts currently estimate.

I find it hard to believe that patients with mechanical heart valves only have approx a 20% chance of stroke per year if they don't take any coumadin at all. No doubt in my mind that if all of you stopped taking coumadin for a full year much more than 20% of you would clot.

Dr. Stanley Cohen of Cedars-Sinai, Los Angeles Ca, found that out of 187 total strokes at there facilities between 2003 and 2004, 7% were preventable and caused by stopping of coumadin for procedures. These 7% were not patients with mech heart valves. They were patients that were taking coumadin for indication of atrial fib and not even given bridge therapy.

Just my thoughts
 
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tommy said:
Karlynn, sorry to hear the potential DX's.
Hope it all works out for him.

Is he able to restart his Coumadin tonight?

Sorry for the confusion - he's not on Coumadin - it's me! My concern was because I'm sure my turn is coming and this is the biggest group in the area.
 
warrenr said:
I find it hard to believe that patients with mechanical heart valves only have approx a 20% chance of stroke per year if they don't take any coumadin at all. No doubt in my mind that if all of you stopped taking coumadin for a full year much more than 20% of you would clot.

Isn't it possible that many of the patients who are taken off warfarin and have a thromboembolic event within days are probably in a state of rebound hypercoagulation?

I believe the number is more on the order of 6-8% thromboembolic events per year for those with mechanical aortic valves and no anticoagulation. The 20% must be for mitral valves?

In any event those percentages should be plenty convincing for anyone to become proactive and diligent in managing their warfarin.

Randy
 
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