Day 7 Update - the good, the bad, and the ugly

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TheGymGuy

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Hi all,

Wanted to post up and let you know that the recovery continues quite well. (knocking on the wood). We did walk around shopping outlets for close to 75 minutes yesterday until I had to sit down and take a break. It was not much of distance but I was standing or slowly walking all of the time. Anyways, the purpose of this post is to share the bad and the ugly, and to say that every time I have a symptom, it is a symptom that you have written before and most of the time that keeps me very calm and I feel in control. As some you will get to know me better, the "control" thing is very important to me, and if something is happening I would rather feel that I can do something about it or at least understand it than not.

Ok, so the good:

Slept for almost 6 hours last night and most of it was on my back or left side propped up with pillows behind me, around me, under my arm, etc. Either way, sleeping almost straight and getting some decent shut-eye is making me feel more human again, and this is a huge deal.

I can do lots of little chores around the house. Today, I opened a box with bunch of books and magazines and sorted them across shelves in my bookcase. I did not lift anything heavy, but moving my arms around to inserts books, and sitting up and down multiple times seemed like a pretty good workout.

My spirometer is only used once a day to see if I can set a new record on reps 8-10 (I call my inhales reps, like repetitions in exercising), so I use first 7 reps to warm up and hit my goal of 2000 or better, and then I try to break 3000 for last few reps. I try to keep the ball in the "BEST" zone (this is the lowest setting when you breath slowly(, and try to not let it out to "BETTER" or "GOOD". I use this spirometer, which I bought before the surgery and learned how to use it so that I knew my baseline numbers and had something to work towards after the surgery. http://www.amazon.com/Respiratory-C...S3RC/ref=sr_1_1?ie=UTF8&qid=1333473478&sr=8-1 And it is a lot harder to hit high numbers than the crap that hospital gave me to play with.

I take stairs several times a day and last night I forgot my "heart pillow" downstairs so I sort of ran down to get it and when I made it down I was surprised that I could make it down so quick. Actually, I need to start slowing down and pacing myself. I need to walk before I run.

My body weight is somewhat stable, so is the apetite. I know how to gain and loose weight pretty well, and this might come and bite me in the butt later, but I was really worried about loosing lots of weight post surgery. If I loose or gain weight I want it to be because I want to and not because it's a side-effect. Even if my appetite is slightly iffy at times, I still pile on lots of delicious, non-junky food every chance I get. So far, I am only 3 lbs lighter than I was before surgery and to me this means alot.



And, now that the good is out of the way, here is the bad (most of it does not bother me, as you have all prepared me for it, and I know in time it will all go back to normal):

My resting heart rate is 79-81 most of the time. If I try to meditate and get my mind to a "happy place" I can barely get my heart rate to 76. I know that as my heart remodels this will get better. My pre-surgery resting heart rate was 59-61 and 50-52 if I meditate.

My heart beats pretty strongly. This is annoying when trying to fall asleep. Well, this and the soft clicking that emulates from my throat. This will too get better with time. This strong beating at rest is very similar to strong beating I would experience when my heart would go into over-drive when I used to workout. Just providing notes for comparison.

Pain Levels and things that hurt. Some things hurt, though, today is day 7 and I skipped my tylenol 3 earlier and will probably start taking them once in 6 hours now along with my antibiotics.

My right shoulder hurts on and off, there is huge 3" incision across my right clavicle which was used as an access port. I believe the procedure is called deep circulatory arrest and antegrade cerebral perfusion via the right subclavian artery (something about it here: http://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pubmed/18442549 and here http://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pubmed/12698148 ) and for this the incision was needed across my right clavicle. I have a good amount of muscle mass there and this is what my body is currently protecting, and instead overusing using my right posterior deltoid and right traps so much so that the whole right shoulder is really hurting at times. Mostly, when I am walking I find a need to put my right hand in my pocket to alleviate shoulder pains. Basically, I cannot quite use my right upper Pectoralis major and cannot wait to start rehabing/massaging it in 1 more weeks time.

Numb skin parts. This one drives me nuts but I understand that my nerves in those areas will rebuild, re-wire and start working again soon. The clavicle incision is completely dead to me. It weirds me out to even wash it, as when I touch it, my hands feel it, but it does not feel my hands. The whole incision and almost 1 inch around it is numb. Also, my sternal incision is ok, but there are several small parts of my pecs which are numb just like my clavicle. Again, this weirds me out when showering, which I have to do twice a day, but I know it will get better.

Very very slight numbness in my right thumb, index finger and middle finger. This is most probably resonating from the right shoulder, and I truly truly believe this gets .001% better every day. Still, it is annoying. Though, in 1,000 days assuming .001% change this should get back to 100%. ;)

Cold hands and Feet. That and most of my body. This is most likely a metoprolol side effect. Could be amiodarone too. I really hope to be off those meds in 3 weeks. When I was checked out from the hospital I already had these symptoms and my blood counts were pretty good in regards to iron, magnesium, etc.

Bump right above my sternal incision. It a bit of a bump, not too much, but I do see it and it weirds me out. Seeing my surgeon next monday for 1st post-op appointment so he will check this out.

I have tightness in the sternum (the bone), and muscular tightness in the middle. This mostly happens when I get up and night to use the bathroom or when first get up in the morning. I sit on the bed for at least 5 minutes and try to straighten out my posture and get some deep breaths in, which is not easy at all. THough, once I straighten out I can walk and sit straight and in proper position for hours at a time. Something I am very thankful for.

Vitamin K. Greens and Vitamins. Since my INR is still not in the zone, I am avoiding lots of things to get the INR in range and then will slowly start adding things back in. This annoys me too. I know this will take some time, and I am just hoping to get that INR in range first and address diet and INR as we start dosing the diet ;)

Lastly, the ugly:
Ok, I will be honest, I was holding this back, and to me it's the worst thing that I am going through now. You may point and laugh at me if you wish, I got thick skin and should be able to handle it. Though, this probably gets me down more than anything else, but when I feel down I go for a walk and feel better about the world in general. So, I have a very very nasty allergic reaction all over my chest area - around sternal incision, clavicle incision and worst of all around 3 chest tubes areas. It turns out that I have one allergy (so far) and it is an allergy to Triple Antibiotic Cream which is used on your incisions after the dressing is taken off. This cream was applied twice a day and this sort of allergic reaction can take 24-48 hours to pop up, which for me popped up on my last day in the hospital and I think is the reason they gave me this high 10 day dose of antibiotics. I figured this out after googling for hours about allergies to surgical tape etc. http://www.livestrong.com/article/534542-allergies-to-triple-antibiotic-cream/ So, I called my surgeon last sunday and he told me to stop by the hospital and NP (nurse practitioner) looked at everything, mind you this is day 5 post OP, and she said not to worry, this is an allergic reaction, and the only thing I can do is wash this with water and SOAP. She said, let shower hit your chest take soap and "Scrub, scrub, scrub!!!". She also let me take 1-2 benadril a day if the itching is killing me, and it does whenever I move and my shirt rubs against my chest. So, why is this ugly? My scars do not look that bad, I mean, they are scars there is not much to them and they seem to be healing as I would expect, but this allergy is a nasty looking rash which comes with intense itching. Also, crusting of the lesions (if we can call them that) leaves the affected areas raw, scaly, and thick and yucky. Read more on this here: http://www.livestrong.com/article/534542-allergies-to-triple-antibiotic-cream/#ixzz1r0jwtQjI

My wife says that this gets better every day, but the change is so marginal that to I cannot quite see it. All I see are huge, red, blotchiness all over my chest, right clavicle and abs. NP did not seem concerned about this at all, and I am just hoping that twice a day showers with my "irish spring" soap kick this sucker in the pants in 2-3 more days (which honestly, it does not seem like it would at the moment). I fear my sternum will fully heal before this goes away. THough, on the positive front this is probably the sort of problem most would pick after the type of surgery that we all go through.


Sorry for a super long post. I thought you guys might like to know about the little things which cannot get us down and we just work around while recovering and getting back to normal or new normal.
 
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Doesn't the Irish Spring make you itch more? If so, try some Aveeno oatmeal soap. It is soothing for chicken pox and other skin conditions. Might help with the itching and let you heal without irritating. Sorry, the mom in me came out!! Thanks for the update. New to the forum but reading lots as I am on the road to OHS.
 
Hey Vadim,
Sounds like you are moving ever so slowly to your usual self. Hang in there. I would agree with mtmom, get some Aveeno soap, it will soothe the yucky stuff and help it heal. Remember, no matter how slow the recovery feels, you made a great choice in getting your new lease on life. :biggrin2:
 
Totally agree – try for some less abrasive soap for sensitive skin – dial and non-scented oatmeal soap are supposed to be really good for cleaning the skin, but not drying it out too much.

I have had some terrible rashes in the past (poison ivy all over). Benadryl helps a lot for the itching, but makes me pass out. On the other hand, I’ve also found that even with these terrible rashes that never want to disappear, one day, suddenly, they are gone – so here’s to hoping that in 2-3 days it is gone. And stay away from that cream!

By the way, glad you are home and walking a bunch. Don’t overdo it.

In terms of your spirometer, The more you do it, the better. Many people on this forum have found that doing it hourly for several weeks really helps with the posture, breathing, exercise, and healing. I would recommend using it more than once each day, perhaps put it next to the toilet and do it every time you go to the bathroom?
 
Hi, Vadim,
I am ahead of you by just a few weeks and can comment on a few things that we both have or had......
The numbness I have around my incisions is starting to go away but there are some real weird sensations at times. From what I read, it is due to regeneration of the nerves and can take quite awhile before back to normal.
I also have a bump at the top of my incision and that is just starting to go down a bit. That seems to be a normal thing s long as it doesn't show signs of infection.
My right shoulder still hurts like a son of a gun but is a little better than it was at first. The only thing that seems to help me for a while is to take a tylenol ES ( am off the heavy stuff, thank goodness), wait about 45 minutes, and then do some gentle range of motion exercises. I do that about twice a day. That works better than the hydrocodone ever did.
Hang in there. :)
karla
 
Glad to hear most of your recovery is going well.

Ugh on the allergy. That has got to be frustrating. Hubby has some allergy/sensitivity to hospital tape, so we'll see if he gets any big ugly reaction patches. I agree on the Aveeno oatmeal soap to help calm the itching.

Also, I have an L-shaped scar on my left knee from a bad encounter with a gym set when I was 5 years old. It has no feeling and it drives me crazy when anything touches it. Like you said, it weirds me out. I've often moved hubby's hand off it, rolled up the cuff of longer shorts that touch it, etc. In fact, just typing about it right now made me think of it and how I can't feel the my pants in that spot. I completely understand that.

Again, glad to hear it's going so well.
 
Thanks for your responses guys and gals. I seem to not have allergies to Irish Spring and NP said to use soap that I have been using before surgery to get all the ointment and associate rash from my skin gone. She did say to not switch soap as my skin might be used to this one and any soap will do so long as I "scrub, scrub, scrub!!!!" I generally do not use any ointments or lotions and this could be why we did not know that I am allergic to neosporin and the like. I can use spirometer the same way and to the same extent as before the surgery and do use it once or twice a day for practical reasons, but honestly I do not see much use to use it more often than that.
 
Hi Vadim:

I'm glad you mentioned the things that are bothering you. Let me reflect on some of them.

High heart rate and pounding heartbeat: My heart rate was in the 90's post-op and drove me nuts. Pre-op my resting rate was 60. Part of the rate increase was from the surgical trauma, but also I was severely anemic - you might be somewhat. It's extremely common after this operation. Anemia causes the force and rate of cardiac contraction to increase even at rest to compensate for the reduced oxygen carrying capacity of the blood. Metoprolol could help quite a bit in that regard (it did for me) until you recover further, but you are on a puny dose. If your heart rate does not start to come down soon, I would bring that up at your doctor visit.

Pain and numbness: Somehow I avoided this. Yes, the peripheral nerves can regenerate, resolving the numbness. I don't know where they did my hypothermia and cerebral perfusion, but I know I had it. It looks like the subclavian approach offers real advantages with the trade-off being a small external wound.

Cold sensation: I think you are anemic. The medical community has developed a high tolerance for post-op anemia. It is true that over time you can adapt to anemia, but when it happens acutely like it did in me and I think you as well, it is not well tolerated. The doctors look at you (and me) ambulating like a madman, pushing ourselves despite fatigue, and therefore just do not do much about anemia. My hematocrit post-op was 22! TWENTY-TWO! That's barely half of normal. I nearly passed out when I stood up the first time post-op. So, I got a unit of blood and felt a bit better. I left the hospital with a hematocrit of 28. 3 months later after a lot of steak sandwiches (for iron), I was back to 42. Yes, it's possible the metoprolol is contributing. I would take the opportunity at your first doctor visit to ask why you are on that as well as the amiodarone. Unless you have hypertension and some atrial arrhythmias, I don't understand why these were started.

Bump: Many people have one. It seems to be part of the wound closure technique.

Tension in your wound: Also quite common. I have had times where I have walked around the house somewhat hunched over because of tenseness in the sternal incision, but, like you I can stretch it out and 90% of the time it does not bother me.

Hope you INR gets into range soon. Expect that as you increase your dark green leafy vegetable intake, you are going to need more. My cardiologist brought up that study of vitamin K supplementation when my INR was a bit unstable. It would be better if I had more vitamin K intake, probably for a lot of reasons, but my INR quickly stabilized on its own and has been stable for more than a year and I have not wanted to fiddle with it.

You are doing great for as few days you have been out of the hospital. All the nuisances you are reporting should resolve over time.

Bill
 
Vadim,

Wow lots of stuff there but not to bad.

I was on day 11 before my INR hit 2.3. You'll get there. Better to come up slow than to risk over shooting and going high. My wife had to give me a Lovinox shot twice a day until my numbers came up. I think the anti-coag folks are used to dealing with older folks with a higher percentage of body fat and that throws them off a bit. Also I just threw in the vegies from the start just to keep things consistant.

I've got that bump at the top of my incision also. I have been assuming thats the knot at the end of the souchers tucked under the skin and that will be the last to disolve. My appt. is on the 16 so I'll find out then.

I was instructed to put nothing on my incision or drain holes. Just wash lightly with plain soap. Rinse gently and leave them alone. It's been working so far. The drain holes do look kind of like 3 hard dried raisins shot into be.

I do have that tightness across my chest. I think that's just gonna be around for a while. It's my reminder not to do to much.

I have been running a fever since I got home and my primary just put me on antibiotics yesterday. They seem to be helping already.

Looking forward to starting a thread about us getting back into the gym.

Gary
 
I had a rash develop after I returned home, but that was on my back. We think it was from a pad on my bed in the hospital. The good news was that my rash disappeared in a day or so from the time I discovered it and started treating it. For me, that was by using an ointment, so hopefully the washes with soap will work fine for you.
 
Totally agree – try for some less abrasive soap for sensitive skin – dial and non-scented oatmeal soap are supposed to be really good for cleaning the skin, but not drying it out too much.

I have had some terrible rashes in the past (poison ivy all over). Benadryl helps a lot for the itching, but makes me pass out. On the other hand, I’ve also found that even with these terrible rashes that never want to disappear, one day, suddenly, they are gone – so here’s to hoping that in 2-3 days it is gone. And stay away from that cream!

By the way, glad you are home and walking a bunch. Don’t overdo it.

In terms of your spirometer, The more you do it, the better. Many people on this forum have found that doing it hourly for several weeks really helps with the posture, breathing, exercise, and healing. I would recommend using it more than once each day, perhaps put it next to the toilet and do it every time you go to the bathroom?

I agree with everything Sarah said, about the soap and why you should use the spirometer more often and not just as a test. Sorry to hear about the allergic reaction, I was surpised to hear they were using an oinment on your incisions to start out with, usually most places leave them alone and say NOT to put anything on. I'm glad they figured out what the cause was so hopefully the itchiness stops soon.
Also if you search there are quite a few post discussing the bump at the top of the sternum and how it is very common. I think they even mention it in the pdf wwhat to expect in the stickies. NOW with that said, if that isnt the bump you are talking about, or if it is red or sore i would definately call the doctors about it
 
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Quick update from me.


  • The rash has significantly subsided and my irish spring soap and water have really helped twice a day. It is not just pink, slighly itchy, patches of skin VS red, rashy, rased nastyness that it was.
  • The bump over the incision is the same one everyone is talking about, it was just in my "bad" category of things to deal with. Everyone has the bump, I do to, and I find it annoying ;)
  • All hospitals have different procedures, the one I was in seems to value their "LOW" infection rates. They do more things than most to keep infection at bay. I can see why they would use the antibacterial tripple strength ointment on and around your scar. If they knew I would be allergic to it, or if it did not take allergy 2 days to show up, I am sure they would not have used it.
  • I still use spirometer once a day to play with it. Though, I am sure you can never do too much of it. I learned how to use it well before my surgery and feel that my current lung capacity has been mostly restored. From here on out I need more physical activity, like brisk walking today, to get more exercise capacity back.
 
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