cooked vs. Raw vegetables

[brendamarlene]

really scared!!!

really scared!!!

just returned from dr's office. INR 1.1
He said to take 10 mg of coumadin and 81 mg of aspirin
I don't trust him
so I am going to take 5 mg of coumadin and aspirin
what do you think?
I have an appointment with a different dr in the same practice on Thursday

 

[brendamarlene]

INR 8 reading was both at home test and at dr's office last Monday

 

[catwoman]

Your thoughts, Al Lodwick.....

Your thoughts, Al Lodwick.....

Is there any difference in the Vitamin K in cooked vs. raw veggies. For example, spinach and broccoli come to mind.

If so, is there a difference in the way the veggies are cooked or length of time cooked? For example, steamed, stir-fried, boiled in soup, baked in a casserole???

Am sure that Al Lodwick will set me straight on this ...

Don't think anyone has mentioned this but ... theoretically there **could** be a difference in amount of vitamin K in cooked vs. raw veggies. Cooked may have more vitamin K than raw because the cooking reduces the size.

For example: 1 cup of cooked spinach contains more spinach than 1 cup of raw spinach.

I'm just following the line of reasoning from my Weight Watchers meetings: raw veggies are generally point-free, but cooked ones have a point value. 1 cup of uncooked carrots has 0 points, but 1 cup of COOKED carrots is 1 point on the "flex plan," where foods are assigned a point value and you record your daily intake of points.

I've read that cooking does that destroy vitamin K content, but perhaps cooked vegetables might contain more for the same volume of uncooked veggies???

 

[Guest]

Brenda,
I think that 10 mg today would be reasonable. But with your history you need to be checked frequently. Please keep track of how much you take each day so that they can base the dosing judgement on how much you had over the past 7 days. The vitamin K and dicloxacillin are pointers that you need a higher than normal warfarin dose. The 1.1 shows that you have no protection. Your INR is going to be very difficult to manage for the next few weeks, I think.

Marsha,
I don't know about any difference. I don't know if heat destroys vitamin K. I would not expect much to be extracted by water.

 

[catwoman]

Al:
Oops! I meant to write "I've read that cooking does NOT destroy vitamin K content..."

What I'm wondering is: If veggies become compacted during cooking, i.e., spinach, chopped broccoli & various greens (collard, mustard, turnip, etc.), wouldn't 1 cup of cooked veggie be more apt to contain more vitamin K than the same volume, i.e., 1 cup, of uncooked?

I've just never seen such a comparison on the internet...

 

[brendamarlene]

Marsha, that is exactly what I was thinking. Although I have been avoiding any since my INR is so low right now.

Have you ever figured out how much is 100 g in equivalent cups for the various listings?

 

[Guest]

It would seem so, but probably it is not a high priority to get research funding.

This reminds me of an incident that took place in another hospital where I was working. I was eating lunch with several dietitians. One was one of the smallest women I have ever known about 4'10". She was telling about boiling a mess of greens in fatback over the weekend. One of the other dietitians reminded her that there was little food value in stuff that was boiled all day. She replied that was how Mama always fixed them when she was a kid. My reply was that we had living proof that there was no food value in greens boiled all day in fatback.

 

[brendamarlene]

Al, I needed a chuckle today---thank you!!!

Mmmm, right now, those greens sound delicious to this Southern gal!

 

[Blanche]

Brenda:
I have been puzzling about the difference in weight between cooked and raw spinach. I can see how the volume might be different, but not the weight. The gram is a metric measure for weight. Cups would be a measure of volume. One ounce is equal to 28.35 grams, therefore 100 grams would weigh approximately 3-1/2 ounces. Hope this helps.
Blanche

 

[Ross]

Brenda I hope your not seriously measuring amounts. I really hope not.

 

[Guest]

Blanche is correct - but only if you weigh the spinach first. The 100g is the same. But you cannot weigh the wet leaves after you boil them because there will not be as much spinach with all the water on them.

But I also agree with Ross - this is a huge waste of effort.