Beer

[Jimmyk]

First of all, it seems like everything I used to enjoy eating or drinking,has some kind of interaction with Warfarin.
I have always enjoyed going to the sports bar on the weekends, watch games, and drink beer.
I’m sorry, but there are some things that I don’t want to give up. I know there’s a risk of bleeding, while consuming alcohol, but is this something that can happen while sitting in the bar stool?
I do self test, would testing the day after going to the bar, be my best day to test?

 

[Superman]

It takes a little while to get mentally comfortable with some of this stuff. And to filter through the "list of side effects":

* Itching
* Vertigo
* Dizziness
* Tingling in the extremities
* Loss of balance or coordination
* Slurred speech
* Temporary blindness
* Profuse sweating
* Heart palpitations

I mean, with all those side effects, why would anyone risk purchasing "Happy Fun Ball"?

snltranscripts.jt.org/90/90mhappyfunball.phtml

Safe alcohol consumption is safe alcohol consumption. Get a designated driver. Maybe your tab gets a little cheaper. I've never noticed beer night to have a significant impact on my INR an I'm not even a social drinker. More like an occasional drinker. Occasionally when someone else is buying. I point that out because it's the exceptions that tend to drive INR issues. Things you don't do often, then introduce, that throw things off. If you eat a spinach salad every day, you can adjust your dose to account for that. If you enjoy the sports bar, AND alcohol impacts your INR, then your dose will reflect that while you test weekly.

If you should happen to notice blood in your urine after your third beer, it would be a good idea to call your doctor though.

I kid! I kid!

The real risk of bleeding while consuming alcohol stems from getting fall down drunk. Just don't do that.

 

[Freddie]

Please don't say you've given up on foods that you once enjoyed. Don't let warfarin rule your life. Being consistent with food and drink is the key.
As for having a beer or 2 or maybe even 3 at the sports bar isn't going to cause you to have a bleed. Be a responsible drinker and don't get so drunk that would cause you to fall off the bar stool.
It takes at least 24hrs for alcohol to be removed from your system, so if you want to test the following day after having a couple of beers out of curiosity sake go ahead. But for a true reading I'd wait a couple of days. JMO

 

[almost_hectic]

Maybe evryone responds different but Im almost three years since my AVR with an On-X valve so Im on Coumadin. I self test and have found that alcohol has little to no effect on my INR. I try not to go overboard, but I have a few at a time and sometimes a few more.

 

[pellicle]

Hi Jimmy

First of all, it seems like everything I used to enjoy eating or drinking,has some kind of interaction with Warfarin.

don't forget the "may" in that ... "may have an interaction" ... like you "may win on the roulette wheel" and "you may have a car accident"

may is not the same as DOES

I have always enjoyed going to the sports bar on the weekends, watch games, and drink beer.

so go ...

I’m sorry, but there are some things that I don’t want to give up.

nobody is asking you to or requiring it ..

I know there’s a risk of bleeding, while consuming alcohol, but is this something that can happen while sitting in the bar stool?

unless you get into a knife fight with one of the other persons in the bar, no.

"causing bleeding" is a highly specialised term used by doctors and its best you get a grasp of that. It doesn't mean a scene from Carrie

I do self test, would testing the day after going to the bar, be my best day to test?

then you are best set to actually answer this question yourself. Why not do something scientific like and test every 3 days for the 2 weeks, then in the middle of that have a beer.

The Royal Society (which is a scientific body going back hundreds of years have the motto:
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Nullius_in_verba

Nullius in verba (Latin for "on the word of no one" or "Take nobody's word for it")

As I say so often : Test and know thyself.
So do that, because I see you've asked this same question here over and over and you still don't believe what we all say to you.

I drank a beer at 5pm yesterday then snuggled in to watch an ep of Peaky Blinders and Lost In Space and by the time I went to bed at 12oclock I'd had half a bottle of red.

Review also some of the answers to your earlier questions

http://www.valvereplacement.org/forums/forum/heart-talk/878291-6-pack-of-beer

http://www.valvereplacement.org/forums/forum/heart-talk/877763-is-beer-a-no-no

 

[pellicle]

sorry about the second post, but I can do without the screaming that happens here when my posts disappear on this (insert your own swearing words)-ly administered site...

So lets look again at my favourite graph:

Now its not just a pretty picture, it contains information. So as this was a study of 4202 patients over 4 years and looking at the maximum we see that with an INR of over 6.5 there was 176 events per 100 patient years. So out of the FOUR THOUSAND OF THEM something like 4% of them would have had a bleed.

One of the members here did a test (quite through if you ask me) and wrote it up here:
http://www.valvereplacement.org/forums/forum/home-anticoagulation-monitoring/43179-novembinr

It doesn't exactly look like this:

does it ...

So, If you want to have a bleed you'll need to have that knife fight in the bar ...

... but what would I know right? I've only been on this stuff for 6 years

So go have the damn beer and do the testing will ya?

 

[jyg]

Pellicle ... omg... the photo! Now I have to clean up the milk and Cheerios I spit across the table :Face-Laugh:

So glad I got .a bioprosthetic :Smile:

 

[LondonAndy]

I have to agree with others who have posted here: I have found that alcohol (and it doesn't matter whether it is beer, wine or spirits) has little or no effect on my INR, even if i have the occasional heavier session. But the joy of self-testing is that we can experiment, and do additional tests after making a change in our diet or activities, and learn from the results.

 

[pellicle]

Pellicle ... omg... the photo! Now I have to clean up the milk and Cheerios I spit across the table

happy to bring light into your day.

:Face-Cool: