Apatitic Calcification - What I Think

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Bob,

Maybe I'm looking at this too simplistically. Once you have had infective endocarditis there has been damage done to the valve. That damage if undetected leaves a valve vunerable to calcification or another infection. Excuse my French...but either way you're screwed once you've had a bout of endocarditis extensive enough to cause damage to your valve. Some patients are diagnosed with subacute IE early, treated agressively and surgery is not recommended. But IMO the damage has been done and it's just a matter of time before the valve deteriorates or endocarditis sets in again. I have no idea what the stats are, but I'm guessing that most patients whose IE has progressed to the stage of vegetations being present will ultimately need their valve replaced. My main point is that IE that has progressed to the state that vegetations are present most likely will not survive without aggresive IV antibiotic treatment and/or surgery. I guess it is possible that an oral regimen of antibiotic treatment may kill off the vegetations but I find that highly unlikely. The more likely scenerio is that the patient will either continue to present more serious symptoms or a piece of the vegetation will break off and possibly cause catastrophic damage. I guess I'm unfamiliar with IE that doesn't reach the stage of vegetation and then subsides on its own. IMO it's the vegetation that would cause damage suffecient to allow calcification to form where the vegetations left further malformations of the valve. I honestly don't know enough about it to back up my statements...maybe it's possible to grow vegetations and have them subside without IV antibiotics. In that case the damage they left would be a perfect breeding ground for calcifications to form. And in the past maybe this scenario would be more likely. All I know is although I had subacute IE my health took a slow but steady downward turn that IMO would have ended in death had it not finally been diagnosed.
 
We're really not far apart in thinking. What you're referring to is a case that the body was not quite able to fight off, and which was discovered (eventually).

What I'm proposing is that there are "minor" infections, ones from less resistant bacteria (or even viruses), which the body does overcome, and which are never discovered. Our common use of antibiotics may be a factor in the number that go undiscovered, but isn't essential to the theory. As time goes on, the chemical flags that are left from the infection site invite apatite formation (and further infectiuons). In the case of most senile calcifications, this process takes many years to become noticeable, and even more to complete.

One reason viruses may be suspect is that they are less prone to producing noticeable vegetation. However, there is no reason that minor bacterial vegetation, expecially that has gone unnoticed, could not be scoured from the site by the constant flow of blood and the action of white blood cells and other blood components.

What I think is that a lot of this type of calcifications is due to a similar cycle to calamitous BE, but much slower, without the physical damage directly to the valve's working parts, but with the damage that attracts calcification in the adjacent arterial lining and/or at the base of the valve.

Best wishes,
 
infections - please weigh in

infections - please weigh in

Please read on and weigh in.

This has been interesting. The funny thing is, it came at a time when I had a cold (not too bad this time). As I previously stated, every time I got a cold or sinus infection since my VR in 7/05, I have felt heart symptoms (markedly increased HR and SOB with even some chest pain). It seems the worse the cold, flu or whatever, the worse the symptoms. And I suspect most of these have been viral but I really can't know. The one that occurred 5 months after surgery was brutal and I thought I might have endocarditis. However, I do start to feel better after the cold is over, but the heart stuff goes on a little longer. So if one considers Bob's theory (and I do), then we may be sustaining little spans of further calcification with some or all of these infections.

So please weigh in, do any of you also experience heart symptoms with a cold or flu or sinus or bronchial bug?
 
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