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scrappy47

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I have a 4.2-4.6 cm ascending aneurysm above my 19 year old St Jude Aortic Valve and am awaiting suggestions for names of surgeons to talk with. We live in Florida and I could go to Cleveland Clinic. I am also extremely petite (4 ft 11 in and 95 lbs) and play tennis at an A level competitively.) Right now I am on bloodpressure meds and have been told NO COMPETITIVE sports. So, I need a surgeon who can answer all my lifestyle questions, the go or no go on surgery, and info about my petite size and the:rolleyes: severity impact on the aneurysm. Any ideas anyone? Thanks!!!!
 
I'm with Ross on this one, Scrappy. Spend some time on the internet finding the very best surgeon out there for aorta work, no matter where he or she might be located.

Cleveland Clinic main hospital would be my first thought, but I really have no idea.

I know putting down that racket will be tough, but you gotta do it. As small as you are, the dilatation of the aorta sounds relatively big, and would not be something I'd fool around with.

Best-
 
scrappy47 said:
I have a 4.2-4.6 cm ascending aneurysm above my 19 year old St Jude Aortic Valve and am awaiting suggestions for names of surgeons to talk with. We live in Florida and I could go to Cleveland Clinic. I am also extremely petite (4 ft 11 in and 95 lbs) and play tennis at an A level competitively.) Right now I am on bloodpressure meds and have been told NO COMPETITIVE sports. So, I need a surgeon who can answer all my lifestyle questions, the go or no go on surgery, and info about my petite size and the:rolleyes: severity impact on the aneurysm. Any ideas anyone? Thanks!!!![It's not the size of the dog in the fight but the size of the fight in the doggie.
 
Thanks from Scrappy the Tennis Player

Thanks from Scrappy the Tennis Player

I want to thank the two folks who already reponded to my post and to find other people, possibly athletes, who've had valves (aortic) replaced TWICE along with ascending aortic aneurysms fixed above the valve on the second go round . What are the lifestyle outcomes after a second surgery? Right now I'm GROUNDED from tennis and competitive sports and feel like a rebellious kid since I feel so healthy. Doctors and others with empathy for this situation would be treasured.
 
Hi Scrappy:

I can't help in any other way, but I can empathize. Maybe you know, but I suspect you had a bicuspid aortic valve (like I do), so that even with the valve replaced, the fact that the aortic tissue was all "bad" caused the development of your aneurysm. I also have been restricted a lot in terms of physical activity.

Has your cardio recommended any particular surgeon? As others have said, if you are willing to travel there are several centers to focus on. I can't say I would relish the idea of traveling terribly far for surgery but lots of people on VR.com have done so--as far as I know, all with positive results and experiences--but as a re-do and a petite woman with a not-the-usual-operating-size aneurysm, I think you're going to need to be pretty careful about choosing someone knowledgable. There are definitely surgeons out there who seem to operate at a given size regardless of extenuating circumstances and I would be concerned if you ran into one of those. There are two guidelines mentioned in the AHA/ACC 2006 Guidelines for the Treatment of Valvular Heart Disease regarding when to resect an ascending aortic aneurysm associated with a bicuspid aortic valve. One is basically 5cm, the other is 2.5cm x BSA (body surface area in square meters--there are online calculators). The second would seem to me to make more sense for you. For a lot of women, I think we have to wonder about whether it makes sense to use the 5cm criteria depending how "average" sized we are. For you, it seems clear you are not average sized.

I rambled quite a bit, but mostly I understand how you feel and hope you find someone smart and talented to fix you up quickly and get you back out on the tennis courts!:D
 
BODY SURFACE AREA BSA and SCRAPPY

BODY SURFACE AREA BSA and SCRAPPY

Your post was so helpful! I did not know about the BSA guidelines for body size. That's why sites like this and people like you are so great. I will do my research and find a doctor who knows it. Do you happen to have links to the study you referred to about body surface area BSA? THANKS SO MUCH!!!!
 
Sure! Here's a link--great weekend reading!:D ;) :

http://content.onlinejacc.org/cgi/content/full/48/3/e1?ct

Incidentally, I went ahead and plugged your stats (4'11", 95#) into the BSA calculator (http://www.halls.md/body-surface-area/bsa.htm) and it says your BSA is 1.34 square meters. If multiplied by 2.5cm, that says your aneurysm should be resected at 3.35cm. Some would say that size is within the normal range--I suspect most surgeons would balk at that number--don't really know. It might be a good idea to seek out a congenital heart defect specialist; many of our members which complex heart issues or anatomies do that and, if you do have BAVD that is a CHD. I hesitate to make a suggestion to an adult--whatever their size--that they see a physician who treats mainly children, but a CHD specialist, I would think, would be more likely to use an individualized approach in determining at what size your aneurysm should be resected, rather than adhering to the standard average--which common sense says doesn't apply. I guess I'm saying, "if you don't go to a top aortic specialist, go to a CHD specialist." Does that make sense?
 
life after tennis

life after tennis

I feel for you. I had surgery AVR 2 years ago and at that time was also
a competive tennis player at the "A" level. Because of complications froom my surgery tennis is over for me!
I can tell you that there is life after tennis! I had played for 30 years and had the same partner for 20. I honestly think it is harder on her than it is on me.
I hope that this won't be the scenario for you but if it is life goes on.
Best of luck in whatever card you are dealt.
K
 
Here's an excerpt from an interesting research article referenced in the ACC/AHA guidelines.

REDUCED SURVIVAL IN WOMEN AFTER VALVE SURGERY FOR AORTIC REGURGITATION: EFFECT OF AORTIC ENLARGEMENT AND LATE AORTIC RUPTURE

Find full article at the following url:

http://jtcs.ctsnetjournals.org/cgi/...jkey=24e0564873ebd7a917fe3738cdcf624977a3fda2

Objective: We sought to investigate the relationship of female ***, aortic pathology, and left ventricular function to outcome after an operation for aortic regurgitation.
Methods: One hundred nine women underwent aortic valve replacement (n = 92) or repair (n = 17) for pure aortic regurgitation between 1985 and 1996. Mean follow-up was 5.7 ± 2.6 years. New York Heart Association functional class III-IV symptoms were present in 70 patients, whereas left ventricular function was normal in 60 patients. Ascending aortic diameter in 97% exceeded the 90th percentile for a size-matched healthy population. A concomitant aortic operation was performed by means of root replacement in 31 patients and by means of interposition graft in 28 patients. Of 50 patients undergoing isolated valve procedures, 19 had aortas of 4.0 cm or larger.
Results: At 5 and 10 years, survival was 78% and 44%, respectively. Fatal aortic rupture occurred in 13 patients, and 2 others underwent emergency operations for impending aortic rupture, for a total of 15 late aortic events. Freedom from aortic events was 87% and 76% at 5 and 10 years, respectively. Risk factors for aortic events were older age (P = .07) and increasing ascending aortic diameter indexed to body surface area (P = .03) in women who had not undergone replacement of the ascending aorta. Rupture location was at the ascending aorta in 71% without ascending replacement and the descending aorta in 62% with ascending grafts.
Conclusion: In women, late survival after an operation for aortic regurgitation is importantly decreased by coexisting aortic pathology with subsequent aortic rupture. Aortic replacement at the time of a valve operation should be considered on the basis of indexed aortic size.


Principal findings
This study was undertaken to investigate the outcome of women undergoing surgical intervention for severe aortic regurgitation, looking specifically at concomitant aortic pathology. The reason to focus on the aorta was the provocative data from Klodas and colleagues, 3 who found women had a much worse survival after operations for isolated aortic regurgitation than did men or age-matched controls. The data pointed to aortic pathology as a possible explanation for reduced survival. An aortic aneurysm was present in 51% of the women compared with 25% of the men, yet a similar percentage of men and women underwent aortic root replacement. Late fatal aortic rupture or dissection occurred in 17% of the women versus 2% of the men. 3
In our series most of the valves were morphologically normal, with aortic enlargement the likely cause of the aortic regurgitation. No valve-sparing operations were performed. This reflects the calendar years of the study and perhaps reflects that the surgical focus was primarily on aortic regurgitation and not aortic enlargement.

Aneurysmal changes of the ascending aorta were present in our study in 58% of the patients as defined by the surgeon, yet 38% of the patients not having ascending replacements had aortas that measured 4 cm or greater. This group was at particularly high risk, with 32% experiencing an aortic event, 71% of these being in the ascending aorta. The risk was most strongly associated with size indexed to the patient’s size and not absolute aortic size.

From our data, 2.4 cm/m2 or greater than 4.0 cm appears to be a reasonable threshold to consider aortic replacement in this group of patients. It is important to remember that the risk of aortic events is also related to age and is increased at similar aortic sizes in older patients. The risks of replacement will need to be balanced against the risks of future events.

General discussion
Why is there such heterogeneity in the threshold for aortic replacement in this series? One reason may have been concern about the increased risks of adding an aortic replacement to the valve procedure. More likely is the general lack of consensus in the surgical literature of the appropriate size for aortic replacement in aneurysmal disease. For example, the Ad Hoc Committee of Reporting Standards, Society for Vascular Surgery, has recommended defining the presence of an aneurysm when it is 50% larger than the normal size. 13 The normal size of the ascending aorta in this report was based on a 1949 radiographic study of aortic dimension. More recent literature has recommended replacement when the ascending aorta is larger than 5.5 to 6.0 cm. 6,14 Depending on the criteria used, less than 25% to over 75% of the patients in this study would have had aortic replacement. In these publications there was no recommendation to adjust dimension criteria to the patient’s size, age, ***, or aortic pathology during valve or coronary procedures.

In a similar series from Japan of 86 patients with severe aortic regurgitation Natsuaki and colleagues 15 found a 59% 10-year survival and 75% freedom from aortic events in patients with ascending aortas of greater than 4.0 cm at the time of valve replacement. Aortoplasty appeared to be protective. In this study the average BSA was 1.6 m2. In the group with the aortic dimension/BSA ratio of less than 2.0 cm/m2, there was one late death and no complications compared with the group with a ratio of greater than 2.9 in which there were 10 aortic complications and 9 late deaths. Thus, the ratio for aortic replacement of 2.4 cm/m2 as determined in our article coincides with the 2.5 cm/m2 (4.0 cm) as recommended in Natsuaki’s article.

Is the risk of rupture found in women only a size issue, or is there a ***-based predilection to aortic enlargement, especially with aging? A recent study highlights *** differences in thoracic aortic aneurysm occurrence and rupture risk. A population-based cohort study from Olmsted County, Minnesota, found that the incidence of thoracic aortic aneurysm was the same for men and women, but women had similar sized aneurysms (4.9 cm on average) much later in life: 63 years for men versus 76 years for women. Of the ruptures that occurred, 79% were in women, with a 5-year rupture risk of 33% versus 9% for men. 16 The reason for this increased rupture risk associated with older age in women is unknown. One possible explanation is that the standard size criteria for intervening may not be neutral to ***, and if indexed to BSA, women’s aortic sizes would reach the threshold for intervention at a smaller absolute size. We now know from a recently published study that the aortic enlargement associated with bicuspid valve disease is related to severe degenerative changes in the aortic wall and not the valve disease. 17 Baron and Galea 18 have found that the media/ intima ratio of collagen and elastin content of the carotid artery decreases in postmenopausal women, suggesting that wall structure and strength may deteriorate with age. How these findings, aging, and the hormonal state of postmenopausal women affect aortic wall structure and composition requires further study.

Limitations
The study is retrospective in nature, and the size criteria for defining aneurysm disease were not uniform. This fact, however, allowed us to investigate the outcome of patients who did and did not have aortic replacement yet had similar sized ascending aortas. Determination of the exact cause of death was problematic with the limited number of autopsies. Detailed interviews with patients’ families and physicians strongly support the designation of aortic rupture as the cause of death but cannot prove it. Similarly, the site of rupture is inferred from the clinical data and is labeled as a likely site of rupture in the article to highlight this limitation. Without a direct comparison with a similar group of men, the effect of *** on outcome remains unclear.

Clinical inferences
The data suggest that our current size criteria for aortic replacement are too conservative in women. As aortic operation has become increasingly refined and safe, liberalizing the size criteria for replacement is appropriate and potentially life-saving. Cohn has recommended that during aortic valve replacement for aortic stenosis, moderately enlarged (4.5 cm) aortas should be replaced. 19 Because dimension is the most common criteria used, we advocate normalizing to BSA and using 2.4 to 2.5 cm/m2 as the threshold to consider intervention when operating on aortic valve pathology. Recognizing the abnormal aortic wall pathology in patients with a bicuspid aortic valve supports an aggressive approach in these patients. Age appears to be an important risk factor for future events. Whether *** itself is a risk and whether intervention is required in an asymptomatic woman with a normally functioning aortic valve but an aorta around 2.4 cm/m2 requires further study. Finally, postoperative radiographic surveillance of the remaining aorta is imperative as ascending aortic replacement reduces but does not eliminate the risk of future aortic events.


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Robert J. Rizzo (Boston, Mass). Dr McDonald and her coauthors direct our attention to the problem of late aortic rupture after aortic valve replacement for aortic regurgitation in women. Dr McDonald, you report a 25% incidence of aortic rupture at 10 years in this group. You also correlate ascending aortic diameter to the risk of aortic rupture but not specifically to the risk of ascending aortic rupture, which would be more useful. I have tried to extract this ascending aortic rupture event rate from the data in the article.

In patients who had an ascending aortic diameter of more than 5.0 cm and did not have aortic replacement, 3 (60%) of 5 patients had ascending aortic rupture. If the ascending aortic diameter was between 4.0 and 5.0 cm and not replaced, 2 (14%) of 14 had ascending aortic rupture. If the aortic diameter was less than 4.0 cm and not replaced, none of the patients experienced a rupture. Interestingly, if the aortic diameter was greater than 4.0 cm and was replaced, 2 (3%) of 58 patients still had ascending aortic rupture. Clearly, your data show that the risk of ascending aortic rupture after aortic valve replacement rises with increasing ascending aortic diameter and is decreased by replacement of the dilated aorta but not eliminated.

I agree with your conclusions that the threshold for aortic replacement should be lower for patients expected to have a normally smaller aorta, which in most patients are the small, young, or female patients. The threshold for ascending aortic replacement should also be lower for patients in whom the chest is opened for other cardiac procedures in which the dilated aorta may not handle manipulation and suturing very well, leading to trouble. Thus, it is convenient for both the patient and the surgeon to replace the dilated aorta to prevent this later trouble. I also agree strongly that any patient with a history of a dilated aorta, whether repaired or not, should have careful follow-up to watch for progression of aortic disease and allow elective repair, and this follow-up should include both the thoracic and abdominal aorta.

My questions are as follows. First, how many of the patients in this study had the diagnosis of aortic rupture confirmed by autopsy versus by clinical or radiographic signs versus by merely having sudden death? Two, why was there rupture in the ascending aorta despite previous ascending aortic replacement, and how can this be prevented? Three, is the diameter of the ascending aorta that you currently use as your threshold for ascending aortic replacement in women after aortic valve replacement, which you have described at the end here, different for patients with aortic valve stenosis versus regurgitation, and is it different for men?




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Appendix Table I. Characteristics of women with aortic regurgitation





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Appendix Table II. Diameter of aorta at various levels from preoperative echocardiograms





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Appendix Table III. Variables examined in multivariable analyses



Dr McDonald. I thank Dr Rizzo for reviewing this article. To answer the first question, we did an extensive review of each death. Although we had only one autopsy confirmation, we investigated every death certificate and were confident that we had sorted out people with sudden cardiac deaths, of whom there were 8, versus those dying suddenly from aortic rupture.
In answer to your second question, some of the ascending aortic ruptures were late technical complications. For example, one patient died of a ruptured pseudoaneurysm. We found that women undergoing isolated valve replacement experienced early deaths, being primarily from ascending aortic rupture, whereas those undergoing an aortic operation experienced later deaths, mainly in the descending aorta. We currently do not have enough information on the preoperative aortic pathology in the cause of aortic rupture to identify a mechanism for these findings. However, we believe that the ascending aorta should be considered for replacement at the time of the operation, and the descending thoracic aorta needs to be monitored because of incomplete protection against future events.




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Appendix Table IV. Univariable comparisons of survival (actuarial method)



The final question is about indications for aortic replacement in women undergoing a median sternotomy for either aortic stenosis or coronary grafting. In brief, we do not know the answer to this, and we do not know whether this is a phenomenon unique to the female *** or caused by the aortic regurgitation. My recommendation would be that surgeons consider replacing the aorta when it is approaching 2.4 cm/m2, regardless of the indication for an operation. Further studies are needed to support this recommendation.
 
scrappy47 said:
find other people, possibly athletes, who've had valves (aortic) replaced TWICE along with ascending aortic aneurysms fixed above the valve on the second go round . What are the lifestyle outcomes after a second surgery?

If you have already had AVR then i think you have probably adjusted to life after surgery with coudamin etc anyway.

The surgery you are facing i'd think would only be a dacron graft of your ascending aorta and they would probably leave your existing valve in place untouched unless it is faulty in any way.

From what i've been told about my own dacron graft i should take it easy for a year until the graft is covered with my own tissue and then i can do whatever i want other than power lifting...

With you already having AVR and still playing tennis i can't see it making any difference to your lifestyle at all.

Good luck.
 
Hi,

I had to have AVR during high school when I was a tennis player. I had surgery in September of 2000 and played that very next spring during my senior year. I went on to play two years in college until, coincidentally, an aneurysm of my aortic root sidelined me. I just got that fixed in December and they said I could start plays USTA tennis this summer so I am excited. You should definitely be able to play again at a high level after you get the aneurysm taken care of.

Brad
 
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