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Ghosthunter

What is normal for heart rate at rest? I am 30 years old, overweight, and have high BP...problem is I am on atenlol and norvasc, and my atenlol ran out last week...and i totally forgot to refill. I am losing track of my meds. So this whole week I been without it. My BP has not got any higher being on it and I know eventually my cardio wanted me off atenlol, but I noticed my heart rate is about 10 beats faster at rest on average. Anywhere from 91-96 BPM, while on atenlolo it around 78-85 BPM , right after exercise (i been exercising for 30 minutes every night trying to get b ack in shape and lose weight) my heart rate is around 110-115 and takes a while to go back down to 90's

So I guess at this point should I even bother to refill the atenlol? It wasnt doing anything for my BP...i have an appt with cardio but not till june 1st.

Is 10 BPM on average really bad? What is consdered fast?
 
After bypass (3/00) and homecoming, I quickly noticed my heart pounding too hard (IMHO) so called the cardio. They told me to increase atenolol to twice a day to slow down the heart beat. Last year I asked cardio if I could drop one dose and he said to check my bp daily for a week and if it was high at all I should continue the same dosage. It wasn't, but when I did drop the evening atenolol, I found I had trouble sleeping. Strange! Sometimes I just plain forget the evening one and an occasional miss doesn't bother my sleeping.

You said 10BPM but I think you meant 100bpm and that's too high if it is constant. Others will come along to confirm or deny.
 
This might be a question for you doctor because everyone is different. My bp runs from 120/60 to 150/70. I take Lopressor and Avapro. My heart rate is in the mid tohigh 60s (resting). My doctor said I could exercise at 100 to 120 bpm for tops. But that takes in age and health.

Check with doc. Good luck.
 
While 10 bpm may not seem like a lot, if you factor it out over the course of the day, it's the difference between 117,000 and 135,000 (plus or minus)--roughly a 15% increase. I can only give you my perspective because I don't have any medical background, but compared to my heart, I'd say yours is working really hard. I average 60 bpm (not resting necessarily, but overall), which is only 5 bpm less than I averaged without atenolol. That puts me at about 86,000 beats a day.

My blood pressure average was not a whole lot different before I was on atenolol either. What was very different was the standard deviation (the average change). I used to get systolic spikes up into the low 200's, now, with atenolol, I only spike into the high 130's. I'd refill the prescription if I were you.

Take care.

P. J.
 
Thanks all...I guess it better to be safe then sorry and get the refill till i can talk to my dr.

I figured by now my heart would be back in shape..anyone know how long it takes to get your heart beating healthier?

I been doing exercise at least 30 min a day for a while now..and changed my diet as well...also lost some weight 5 lbs, down to 235, I am 6 foot


When I had my stress echo done earlier in the year...he said my heart was healthy just i need to lose weight and get back in shape.
 
Your HR is on the high side, probably not in the serious range, but definitely above normal.

I suggest giving your Cardiologist a call. If he doesn't takes calls, at least ask for his nurse, tell her what is going on, and ask her to check with your cardio for his recommendation.

'AL Capshaw'
 
Ghosthunter,

[QUOTE: I figured by now my heart would be back in shape..anyone know how long it takes to get your heart beating healthier?]


Aternol is a beta-blocker and among other things blocks neurohormones thereby reducing the heart's workload. With meds the body gets the message that it can stop its defensive mode by compensating with the higher HR. To stop taking your medicine the system begins compensating again with a faster heartbeat.

Before your heart can be normal without meds, may require loss of weight, proper diet, lifestyle modification, and regular exercise. This may be enough to reduce your heart's workload and properly condition yoiur heart without meds.
 
Everyone's different.


I'll say that again:

EVERYONE'S DIFFERENT.

Especially when it comes to people with heart conditions.

On a good day, my average resting heart rate is in the 85bpm range. Most of the time it's closer to 95bpm.

I get "cranky" when it's over 100bmp for extended periods, generally tired and lethargic, it's nap time. Usually that only happens when I'm sick or really stressed out/sleep deprived.

Average healthy adult my age and weight should have a resting heart rate of closer to 60-70bpm by the book. Oh well, I gotta be different in my own way.


Be more concerned with how your heart is pumping. Is the rhythm steady or not? Does it stay that way for a long time or jump around a lot? Blood pressure?

Heart rate in and of itself isn't a very good gauge for heart health. It's one data point on a map that gives a full picture of how your heart is working and not the only one you should be fixed on.

Same with BP, though we all know that if your BP is wildly off in either direction there's definitely a problem.

'Course, that's the same way for heart rate too I guess.


Oh yeah, heart rate goes up if you're agitated, even a little bit, about your heart rate being elevated...
 
KenKeith said:
Ghosthunter,

[QUOTE: I figured by now my heart would be back in shape..anyone know how long it takes to get your heart beating healthier?]


Aternol is a beta-blocker and among other things blocks neurohormones thereby reducing the heart's workload. With meds the body gets the message that it can stop its defensive mode by compensating with the higher HR. To stop taking your medicine the system begins compensating again with a faster heartbeat.

Before your heart can be normal without meds, may require loss of weight, proper diet, lifestyle modification, and regular exercise. This may be enough to reduce your heart's workload and properly condition yoiur heart without meds.


Yeah that I what i been trying to do...I am really deteremined this time to lose weight and have a healthier lifestyle. For past 3 weeks I have really been cutting out most junk foods and eating healthy, still having a snak here and there, but not going overboard. Instead of having 3 slices of pizza, I have 1, instead of 3 bowls of cereal, I have 2, and try to watch my calories, and eat low fat. I lost 5 lbs and people have been saying are you trying to lose weight you look good espicially in the face.

I been exercising almsot every night for 30 minutes, and overall i feel much better mental and physical wise.

I realized recently if I dont take care of myself I only have so many chances. I am still young enough that hopefully I can get my BP down and lose some weight without causing perm damage I hope.

The hardest part for me when it comes to eating is sitting in front of TV always like to have something in my mouth, or at big family gatherings..when tons of food and appetizers are put out...those are my two weak points.
 
strawberry said:
Not to scare you, but you might want to read this:

http://abcnews.go.com/Health/wireStory?id=751406

yeah I saw that on medpage....and it did scare me enough to post this message here yesteday lol...but i do have my atenlol now, and took it last night.

I just took my BP and HR I have an omnirom monitor which we tested in dr office so know it pretty accurate, and my BP at 8:25 am was 120/74 with HR of 74

So that a lot better.
 
Good for you, Ghosthunter. I know how hard it is to lose weight and stick to a work-out program, but you are wise to get these issues under control while you are young.

Good luck.

P. J.
 
Boy, am I confused about this heart rate stuff.

One of the posts here says that 100 bpm is too much if it is "constant." Another post says that "60-70" resting heart rate is the "normal." If these statements are true then my heart is beating way too fast.

But I have been told by my cardios that anything between 60 and 100 is "normal."

Before surgery, my HR was usually in the mid-70's to low 80's. About a week after mitral valve repair surgery it started going up. Ended up in the nineties, sometimes into the low 100's. Pretty much stayed that way throughout cardiac rebab, btw. (I am talking resting rate. I usually got up to 120 BPM while exercising.) My cardio kept saying not to worry, since I was in normal sinus mode.

A month ago, after an EKG that showed a "wandering pacemaker," I was put on a Holter monitor that showed I was no longer in normal sinus mode, but am now in atrial flutter, so now in addition I'm taking coumadin.

I asked my current cardio about my heart rate. He says that the Holter showed my heart rate is currently 94 BPM a minute -- but since it is consistent, and without pauses, & doesn't go much above that except when exercising -- and that I should not worry about it.

I've been on coreg, a beta blocker, since before the surgery, and am still taking it.
 
Hmmm Marge,

Normal Sinus Rhythm is good, but it sounds to me like your HR is "high normal". If you are still concerned, you might want to get a 'second opinion' from either your PCP or another Cardiologist.

One question comes to mind: Are you doing regular cardiovascular exercise? (say 20 minutes minimum, preferably 30 to 40 minutes most days of the week in your proper target range 65 to 80% of 220-AGE)

IF your body is still de-conditioned, that could explain your 'high normal' HR.

Exercise is GOOD :D

'AL Capshaw'
 
Hi Marge,

I would do what AL says, go see a second dr. it cant hurt.


It better to be on safe side.

I was reading that link from heart association and it says tachycardia can cause palpitations, hmm interesting...i do remember getting it a lot...but not as much when i been on my meds, maybe that why.

Right now still monitoring my heart rate goes down lot faster now after exercise.

And it is constnatly between 75-80 at rest, and right after exercise around 85-90 and then soon works it way back down. I need to find a montiro that can monitor me actively during exercise so i know what it is when i am actively doing it.


So far though I am feeling much better, and people are noticing that i am looking better whcih is nice reinforcement.
 
I found this gem today. :-( I used to have a nice, low resting HR before surgery. Since then, it's high 70's. After a few hours of vigorous exercise, I stay north of 100 bpm for an hour or more. No indication in the article of a causal relationship (as opposed to correlation), but kind of disturbing.

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Sudden Death in Healthy Men Can Be Predicted by Heart Rate

By Peggy Peck, Senior Editor, MedPage Today
Reviewed by Rubeen K. Israni, M.D., Fellow, Renal-Electrolyte and Hypertension Division, University of Pennsylvania School of Medicine
May 11, 2005
Also covered by: MSN, MSNBC, WSJ Online (Subscription Req.)

MedPage Today Action Points


This research suggests a role for routine exercise testing of asymptomatic men to determine heart rate at rest, during exercise and during recovery.


Current ACC/AHA guidelines recommend: On the basis of prognostic considerations, asymptomatic male patients older than 45 years with 1 or more risk factors (hypercholesterolemia, hypertension, smoking, diabetes, or family history of premature CAD) may obtain useful prognostic information from exercise testing. The greater the number of risk factors (ie, pretest probability), the more likely the patient will profit from screening.


Review
PARIS, May 11-Even in this city in the springtime, a Frenchman's heart that beats too fast at rest is a powerful predictor of sudden death, researchers here have reported.


A study of 5,713 French men without known or suspected cardiovascular disease found that those with resting heart rates of more than 75 beats per minute had a 3.5-fold increase in risk of sudden death compared with men who had a resting heart rate of fewer than 60 beats per minute.


And men who had a less than optimum increase in heart rate during exercise had 4.0 times the risk of sudden death, 1.2 times the risk of nonsudden death, and 1.5 times the risk of death from any cause, Xavier Jouven, M.D., Ph.D., and colleagues of the University of Paris reported in Thursday's New England Journal of Medicine.


Moreover, men who take longer to recover from exercise, specifically those whose heart rate recovery is fewer than 25 beats per minute, had 2.1 times the risk of sudden death than men whose hearts recover at a rate of 40 beats per minute.


The increased risks were independent of other risk factors including age, smoking history, level of physical activity, exercise duration during standard bicycle exercise test, history of diabetes, body mass index, systolic blood pressure, cholesterol level, and parental history of sudden death or myocardial infarction.


Noting that the heart-response is controlled by the autonomic nervous system, Dr. Jouven said the "data support the concept that abnormalities in autonomic balance may precede manifestations of cardiovascular disease and may contribute to the early identification of persons at high risk for sudden death."


For apparently healthy men who have similar abnormal heart rate profiles, "a possible therapeutic approach might be the correction of the autonomic imbalance. In addition to traditional management of cardiovascular risk factors, initiation of a regular exercise-training program should be recommended," Dr. Jouven and colleagues wrote.


The findings come from the Paris Prospective Study I, which recruited men employed by the Paris Civil Service. Recruitment was conducted from 1967 to 1972 when the men were ages 42 to 53. The study enrolled 7,746 men, and the vital status of all but 355 subjects (4.6% from the original 7,746) could be determined at the end of study follow-up in January 1994. This latest analysis includes data on 5,713 men, all of whom underwent electrocardiographic and physical examinations at baseline.


All men underwent a standard 10-minute bicycle exercise test with three successive workloads -- two minutes at 82 W, six minutes at 164 W, and the last two minutes at 191 W, with no cool-down period. Cardiac rhythm was continuously monitored during testing.


Heart rate was measured at rest, before exercise, every two minutes during exercise, at peak exercise and every minute during recovery. Men who had an ischemic changes on EKG and those who failed to achieve 80% of predicted maximum heart rate during exercise (defined as 220 beats per minute minus age) were excluded from the analysis. The mean follow-up was 23 years.


Among the findings:

There were 1,516 deaths during follow-up including 400 cardiac deaths of which 81 were sudden deaths and 129 were nonsudden deaths from myocardial infarction.

Men in the highest quintile for resting heart rate (>75 beats a minute) had a risk for sudden death (relative risk, 3.92; 95% confidence interval 1.91-8.0) that was 3.5 times higher than men in the lowest quintile for resting heart rate (<60 beats a minute) (P for trend <0.001).

Compared with the highest quintile (113 beats per minute) men with a heart rate increase of fewer than 89 beats per minute during exercise (relative risk, 6.18; 95% confidence interval, 1.02 to 4.74) had 4.0 times the risk of sudden death.

The authors concluded that the "heart rate profile during exercise and recovery is a powerful predictor of the risk of sudden death in asymptomatic men?These findings may have clinical implications in terms of early identification of high-risk subjects and raise the possibility of primary prevention."
 
I had read the article Bill posted. It reminded me of the thread MitralMan started a few weeks back about heart rate after exercising. To recap, my resting rate has climbed into the mid 80's, and I'm concerned about getting it lowered after surgery.

Do we have any theories on why, after the replacement surgery, the rate seems to lower with some and remain higher with others? Has anyone looked at whether it might be based on the amount of exercise the individual did previous to surgery?
 
Mary[/QUOTE said:
Do we have any theories on why, after the replacement surgery, the rate seems to lower with some and remain higher with others? Has anyone looked at whether it might be based on the amount of exercise the individual did previous to surgery?


That's a reasonable conclusion, but I don't believe it can be limited to just exercise. There are other factors involved that could make the distinction and not limited to previous exercise and good conditioning. In the general population there are variances among healthy individuals with HR 60-100 and on an individual basis one's system may generally compensate more effectively or compensate differently than another individual. The reason may also include gender, age, genes, etc.
 
Wow i took my blood pressure and HR with my omnirom this morning and this after I took a shower, and was up for about 30 minutes, and my pulse was 65. That was the lowest I ever seen even at rest. My blood presure was 126/78

Maybe this exercise and eating right is working finally...because before I did this even though I am on norvasc and atenlol, my BP was usually 140/90
 
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