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msiwik

I know this sounds so far away but given that I won't be doing any more races in 2005 and because there will be several of us doing this race (LLJ, MarkU, maybe BillC, me), I wanted to start a thread now that will carry us through the race. The link to the website is http://www.500festival.com/marathon/ (If by chance you read this thread down the road, please remember to sign up early as this race always sells out way in advance of race day, which will be May 6, 2006. In fact, it looks registration will close by Jan. 31, 2006 and the price goes up in mid-December 2005.)

You will be able to tell from my posts how much I miss being able to pursue my normal training regimen. In fact, I am going through a bit of withdrawal now because but for my surgery, I would have been in my marathon taper. This year, I was supposed to be running the Marine Corp Marathon on October 30.

As of today, I am running approximately 3 to 4 miles a day. Because of my post-surgery illness (weeks 13 to 19), I had to start all over again at the initial pace of 12:00 minutes a mile. But unlike the first round of rehab (weeks 6 to 12), I could hold the pace for 9 minutes instead of 3 minutes. Today, a week and half later, I ran 45 to 50 minutes without stopping and did two miles at 11:30 and two miles at 11:00. So there is hope that I can get back to my sub-8:00 pace for the half-marathon but I have no idea whether it will happen by next May. Frankly, I don't really care whether it happens by then as I now am much more accepting of the temporary limitations imposed by OHS.

As soon as I finish this post, I will be off to coach cross-country. I work with a group of kids who range in age from kindergarten to the eighth grade. I have always enjoyed working with the slowest kids and this year particularly, because at the moment, they are all faster than me!!! When the season is over, I will post a picture or two of the team. To keep the slowest kids motivated, I come up with nicknames - this year, there is "Special K" who is Kristin, a fifth grader with the heart of gold; "Donut Dude" aka Jack, a third grader who loves donuts and football (built like a fullback!) in that order, and Amanda "Manda Manda" a fifth grader.

Amanda is the most interesting child of the bunch as she has played on the girls softball team I have coached the last two years. During softball, I saw that she had the body type of a long distance runner (petite) and that she was quick and I knew that she had not yet found her spot in athletics. Amanda is very social and most of the time had no idea what the score was during the softball game. In fact, this was the first year, she actually wanted to know who won!

For kids Amanda's age, they have to run 1.5 miles. For the first several weeks, it was struggle to get Amanda to run .25 miles without stopping. The first week, she was 123 (out of 128), then she moved to 102, and last week, 72! It is very rewarding to watch a child go through the progression of becoming athletic. For a while, Amanda didn't believe she could even finish a race. Now she knows can and is becoming more determined to compete. You should have seen the smile on her face when she heard that she moved up to 72 - a memory that I will have for some time!

Ok - enough for now! May 2006 can't get here fast enough!!
 
Hey MArk: It's great that you're coaching these kids. It sounds like you're having more fun than they are! I'm in with the thread and training.
Right now I am doing 11 minute miles and just focusing on putting miles in. Like I've told you before, it's just nice running without arm and upper shouder pain and the constant mental pushing I had to do to get through each mile because I felt like crap. Now I push only when my legs are getting tired or my heart rate is getting too high.
I must admit, I went AWOL on my heart rate monitor for 2 weeks just because I was sick of looking at it. Very liberating. Now of course it's strapped back on.
This week I have done 4 miles, 3 miles and 5 miles so far. I hope to do one more 5 mile.
How's by eveyone else? Come on guys and gals;we know you're out there!
Laura
 
Paul Reese

Paul Reese

MarkU said:
Yes! Someone I can relate to!

Mark :D

Hey Mark and Laura: Well, I am happy to report that after two weeks, I can run about 40 to 50 minutes and have dropped my pace from 12:00 to 11:30. It was very difficult to have start all over again and not even be able to do a full mile without my heart rate elevating above 156. But I am determined to not got sick again so the 3 to 5 mile runs now are just fine. Will post a training schedule for Indy after Christmas.

Glad you liked the story of the kids - they are awesome. Here's another hero of mine - Paul Reese died last fall of 87 - he didn't recover well from OHS for his bad aortic valve - small irony. In case the link doesn't take you directly to the article - it's Joe Henderson's Nov. 13, 2004 column entitled "Always a Marine." Among his accomplishments, Paul ran across the country at the age of 73!

http://www.joehenderson.com/archive/
 
Alright! I know that with time and miles we will all get faster or maybe just stronger. I was suppossed to run this morning but woke up feeling crummy. My old self would have run anyway,but my new self decided to do food shopping laundry and other household tasks. I'll definately be hitting the trails tomorrow;I think it's just the beginning of a cold that I will not let get a foothold in my sinuses!
Looking forward to your reports and the reports of the rest of the Valvers!
Happy hemodynamics everyone!
Laura
 
I'll be there in support...

I'll be there in support...

Well, since I'm in the state and all, I may just have to come up there and wave my IU flag at MarkU along the race route. Just kidding ya, friend ;) . You know where my tuition dollars will be going next year. :eek: :eek:

Seriously, though, I'll come up and wear my VR.Com t-shirt in support of you all. I've got a brother up there, so I'm always looking for an excuse to visit Indy.
 
LLJ said:
Alright! I know that with time and miles we will all get faster or maybe just stronger. I was suppossed to run this morning but woke up feeling crummy. My old self would have run anyway,but my new self decided to do food shopping laundry and other household tasks. I'll definately be hitting the trails tomorrow;I think it's just the beginning of a cold that I will not let get a foothold in my sinuses!
Looking forward to your reports and the reports of the rest of the Valvers!
Happy hemodynamics everyone!
Laura

Laura - my old self would have run too; not anymore. A day at a time! Good luck with the cold.
 
Sherry said:
Well, since I'm in the state and all, I may just have to come up there and wave my IU flag at MarkU along the race route. Just kidding ya, friend ;) . You know where my tuition dollars will be going next year. :eek: :eek:

Seriously, though, I'll come up and wear my VR.Com t-shirt in support of you all. I've got a brother up there, so I'm always looking for an excuse to visit Indy.

Sherry - sounds great. I think we will have a dinner the night before so we can all meet and we probably should come up with distinctive running shirts for the day of (plenty of time to work on that!). Looking forward to meeting you! Mark from Ohio
 
Sounds awesome. I may not be able to run with you all, but I can definitely eat with you all. :D :D I'll keep in touch as the weekend grows near.
 
Sherry said:
Sounds awesome. I may not be able to run with you all, but I can definitely eat with you all. :D :D I'll keep in touch as the weekend grows near.

You've got seven months to train - we'll expect you to run w/ us. ;)
 
BillCobit said:
You've got seven months to train - we'll expect you to run w/ us. ;)

Yikes, Bill, I'm afraid you'd all be carrying me after the first mile. :D :D I will say, though, that it's always been a dream of mine to run a mini-marathon. Maybe someday.
 
1st Update

1st Update

msiwik said:
As of today, I am running approximately 3 to 4 miles a day. Because of my post-surgery illness (weeks 13 to 19), I had to start all over again at the initial pace of 12:00 minutes a mile. But unlike the first round of rehab (weeks 6 to 12), I could hold the pace for 9 minutes instead of 3 minutes. Today, a week and half later, I ran 45 to 50 minutes without stopping and did two miles at 11:30 and two miles at 11:00. So there is hope that I can get back to my sub-8:00 pace for the half-marathon but I have no idea whether it will happen by next May. Frankly, I don't really care whether it happens by then as I now am much more accepting of the temporary limitations imposed by OHS.

Well, I have made it through my first month of running and am at five full months now since my surgery. Here's the highlights from the first month after resuming training:

1. I am now sleeping through the night. For four months, I would wake up every night, generally after 3 to 4 hours sleep. That has pretty much stopped - hooray!

2. By end of the first week, I was able to do 40 minutes at a 12:00 min. pace.

3. By the end of the second week, I was able to improve to 40 minutes at an 11:30 pace.

4. By the end of the third week, I was able to do four miles at a 10:54 pace.

5. The fourth week, this past week, was pretty good. I did a total of 30 miles for the week and consistently held the pace at 10:54 with no more than 5 miles on any one day. Today, I was able to do 2 miles at 10:30 but it really taxed me. I had to take a 3 minute walk break between them.

I think I am going to be stuck at the 10:54 pace for a bit. I plan to run it all week and then try the quicker 10:30 pace by the end of the week or on the weekend. I limit the amount of running to 60 minutes and no more than 30 miles a week. All I can, it's slow progress. Will write another update in 30 days.
 
Good stats so far Mark. Ia m still trying for a consistent 4 miles a day 4 days a week. 2 days a week are riding. I still linger at an 11 min mile for these runs. Unlike you, I was always a better cyclist than runner. My plan is base line bringing up the mileage with a once a week interval on the bike. the week before messed me up with a cold and crazy work schedule. I try to do one 6 mile run a week and that so far has been about the same pace. I run on trails with hills so I figure the up hills balance out the down.
There is a gentleman 15 months out posting under another topic here on active lifestyles. Check out his info. I 'd be curious to see you comments.
It'll be a long winter my friend,but I'm ready!
Laura
 
Hi Mark

Five months out isn't very long. The heart docs frequently say 3-4 months for recovery, however that's not for peak exercise performance, but rather for general walking around purposes. I would expect that you'll improve significantly over the next 6 months. It sounds to me like you're doing pretty well right now.

Keep plugging - no predictions on where your performance will finally end up, but I'm confident that you'll make a lot progress over the next several months.

Regards
 
2nd Update

2nd Update

msiwik said:
Well, I have made it through my first month of running and am at five full months now since my surgery. Here's the highlights from the first month after resuming training:

1. I am now sleeping through the night. For four months, I would wake up every night, generally after 3 to 4 hours sleep. That has pretty much stopped - hooray!

2. By end of the first week, I was able to do 40 minutes at a 12:00 min. pace.

3. By the end of the second week, I was able to improve to 40 minutes at an 11:30 pace.

4. By the end of the third week, I was able to do four miles at a 10:54 pace.

5. The fourth week, this past week, was pretty good. I did a total of 30 miles for the week and consistently held the pace at 10:54 with no more than 5 miles on any one day. Today, I was able to do 2 miles at 10:30 but it really taxed me. I had to take a 3 minute walk break between them.

I think I am going to be stuck at the 10:54 pace for a bit. I plan to run it all week and then try the quicker 10:30 pace by the end of the week or on the weekend. I limit the amount of running to 60 minutes and no more than 30 miles a week. All I can, it's slow progress. Will write another update in 30 days.

As promised, here's the second update after 8 weeks of returning to regular physical exercise. Highlights are as follows:

1. I have mastered the 10:30 pace doing runs from 3 to 5 miles. Heart rate monitor continues to be an effective guide in ensuring that I don't overdo it.

2. 30 days seems to be the right amount of time before adjusting the pace downward. I will use the next month to get comfortable with the 10:00 pace and work on 9:30 for the month of January.

3. I have been reading a number of sports psychology books which have been very helpful for goal setting and staying positive. One of the biggest things I picked which seems pretty obvious is that if you have a serious injury/operation, then you need a recovery that is equal in effect to the seriousness of the injury. So trying to come back to quickly or do to much or upsetting the balance between positive stress/getting stronger and recovery actually sets you back. This is truly a situation where it pays to be the tortoise, not the hare.

Another update in 30 days. Mark
 
Mark

It seems to me you are doing pretty well at the moment and on track for your indy run. Incremental progress based on what your body tells you (along with your heart monitior) should hopefully keep the mind in check. I know that I should probably have taken it a bit slower but the mind said go and the body didnt complain so away I went! Body of a forty year old heart patient - head of a twenty year old ...10 foot tall and bullet proof :eek: :D

Im sure this thread will be a good source for many others now and in the future with your detailed description of your progress.

regards

Russell
 
Mark: Sounds like you're making real progress. I am still slow and really even a bit slower since ramping up my training with more biking. But, I feel better with biking more. I admit it took away from my running not to cross train. (But, I'm a lousy runner so there was not much to borrow!) I would like to hear more about your formula for increasing speed. I have increased my distances to at least one 6 mile run a week and hope to do 7 niles this weekend. I find that I can run alot longer at an 11 min/mile pace,but this doesn't do much for speed!
Laura
PS Congrats Arpy on your event! Wow!
 
Russell and Laura

Russell and Laura

LLJ said:
Mark: Sounds like you're making real progress. I am still slow and really even a bit slower since ramping up my training with more biking. But, I feel better with biking more. I admit it took away from my running not to cross train. (But, I'm a lousy runner so there was not much to borrow!) I would like to hear more about your formula for increasing speed. I have increased my distances to at least one 6 mile run a week and hope to do 7 niles this weekend. I find that I can run alot longer at an 11 min/mile pace,but this doesn't do much for speed!
Laura
PS Congrats Arpy on your event! Wow!

Russ - my congrats on your race too. We need to connect you up with Paul Hobbs - a terrific cyclist from Vermont who has posted on this site.

Laura - you have lots of time to improve your endurance. 6 to 7 miles at this point is outstanding. Improving pace is subject that I could wax on forever. You may want to private email me and we can talk by phone. I am using a formula that would be equivalent to running slightly below anerobic - a hard tempo run with MHR at 150 to 156 - and then improving that pace every days by cutting it by 30 seconds. So the month of December, I will run 2 to 4times a week at 10:00 for no more than 4 miles at a time and then next month, I will do it at 9:30. I am now ready to start doing the proverbial long run which you are already doing. By that I mean for the month of December, I will run 5 miles once a week at a slower, more relaxed pace - 11:00 to 11:30. The goal is to simply build endurance and after Christmas, I will devise a schedule to increase that endurance slowly until May 2006. So it is a combination of doing shorter faster runs (getting progressively faster by month) and doing long slow runs that produce the best result in May. Hope this helps. Mark
 
Stress Echo

Stress Echo

BillCobit said:
Hi Mark

Five months out isn't very long. The heart docs frequently say 3-4 months for recovery, however that's not for peak exercise performance, but rather for general walking around purposes. I would expect that you'll improve significantly over the next 6 months. It sounds to me like you're doing pretty well right now.

Keep plugging - no predictions on where your performance will finally end up, but I'm confident that you'll make a lot progress over the next several months.

Regards

Happy to report that at the six month mark, I graded out well on the stress echo. Valve looks good and my heart is now stronger than the average 41 year old male - nowhere near pre-surgery strength but stronger than the typical male who has not had OHS! I have been able to run at 10:00 pace this past month (sixth month mark) and still keep my heart rate below 156 or 75% of maximum heart rate. The exercise physiologist still wants to keep me below 156 bpm for the forseeable future which I am ok with for now as the incremental progress is satisfactory to me. Will provide a fuller update at the 3 month training mark later this month. Mark
 
3rd Update

3rd Update

msiwik said:
As promised, here's the second update after 8 weeks of returning to regular physical exercise. Highlights are as follows:

1. I have mastered the 10:30 pace doing runs from 3 to 5 miles. Heart rate monitor continues to be an effective guide in ensuring that I don't overdo it.

2. 30 days seems to be the right amount of time before adjusting the pace downward. I will use the next month to get comfortable with the 10:00 pace and work on 9:30 for the month of January.

3. I have been reading a number of sports psychology books which have been very helpful for goal setting and staying positive. One of the biggest things I picked which seems pretty obvious is that if you have a serious injury/operation, then you need a recovery that is equal in effect to the seriousness of the injury. So trying to come back to quickly or do to much or upsetting the balance between positive stress/getting stronger and recovery actually sets you back. This is truly a situation where it pays to be the tortoise, not the hare.

Another update in 30 days. Mark

Today marks the 7th month since surgery. Highlights this month include the following:

1. Stress echo shows bovine valve is functioning well. According to the doctor, my heart is now slightly stronger than the average 41 year old male which I think is pretty good, all things considered. Doesn't reflect well on society though since the typical male my age doesn't exercise and is overweight. What it really shows is how traumatic the surgery is. I literally am back at square 1 - 1999 when I decided to train for a marathon was unfit.

2. I was able to do four miles pretty quickly at 10:00 this month but only about once a week and stay aerobic or below 75% capacity which for me is 156 bpm. I thought I would be a little stronger given that I hit the goal within the second week but I have added weight training (2 to 3 times a week) and I think that is leaving me with a little less energy.

3. I am running once a week now for 60 minutes (between 5 and 6 miles). I will start upping that mileage to 7 to 8 miles in Jan.

I will report back on 1/23/06. Mark
 
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