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Childhood Heart Repairs May Not Last

By LAURAN NEERGAARD, AP Medical WriterMon Jan 23, 4:31 PM ET

One of medicine's greatest triumphs is hitting a snag: Up to 1 million people born with once-lethal heart defects now have grown up, a pioneering generation largely unaware that heart repairs can wear out as they approach middle age.

Few even get cardiac checkups, apparently believing they were cured as children ? although a surgical repair isn't a cure. Worse, few cardiologists outside of children's hospitals have any idea how to care for these special hearts.

"The disease as an adult is completely different than the other kinds of heart disease adults get," warns Dr. Karen Kuehl, a pediatric cardiologist at Children's National Medical Center in Washington, who recently helped open one of the nation's few specialty clinics for adults with congenital heart disease.

"Here are people in their early young adulthood who have thought that they went through this (childhood surgery) ... and they were going to be fine. In fact, we don't know that," Kuehl adds. "Now we're seeing things nobody would have predicted."

Open-heart surgery for babies and young children didn't become common until the 1970s. Before then, only a quarter of "blue babies" and other infants born with complex heart defects lived beyond a year. Now, more than 95 percent of these "miracle babies" will grow up, living near-normal lives for many years.

Only recently have enough of the early survivors reached adulthood for doctors to notice a disturbing trend: Starting about 20 years after childhood surgery, the risk for some serious problems ? irregular heartbeats, enlarged hearts, heart failure, occasionally even sudden death ? begins to rise among people who had complex defects repaired.

Caught early, many such problems are treatable or, better, preventable. Too often, patients have serious damage or even need a heart transplant by the time someone links their survived birth defect to the new illness, says Dr. Roberta Williams of the American College of Cardiology.

How big is the risk, and who most needs preventive care? Doctors don't yet know, although pregnancy does demand extra caution. There have been no large-scale studies of survivors' long-term health, partly because so many disappear once they outgrow the pediatric cardiologist. Less than half of adults with congenital heart disease are thought to receive any regular cardiac care.

Denial plays a role. Young adults who feel well, and no longer are on a parent's insurance policy, desperately want to be normal and may not see a need for checkups.

Even if they want ongoing care, there are only about 100 cardiologists nationwide specially trained in adult congenital heart disease. Considering one in 150 babies is born with a heart defect, a soon-to-skyrocket new population of adult patients will compete for limited specialists.

"There's a setup for people to fall between the cracks," says Dr. George Ruiz of the Washington Hospital Center, who with Kuehl runs the new Washington Adult Congenital Heart Center ? and is combing through boxes of dusty surgical records dating to the '70s, hoping to track down now-grown "miracle babies" who don't know their repairs may not last for life.

There are new moves to help:

_Williams is co-writing new guidelines, due later this year, on how to treat adult patients. The advice is aimed both at cardiologists and at other doctors, such as obstetricians, whose care decisions may be complicated by heart abnormalities.

_Cardiologists and patient advocates are pushing for funding for the National Institutes of Health to open the first registry to track long-term health. A registry could help uncover which of 35 different cardiac defects are most likely to cause late-in-life problems, determining who needs specialty care and who will do fine with a general physician's checkups.

"I don't mean to say we're going to die or do poorly," stresses Amy Verstappen of the Adult Congenital Heart Association, the advocacy group. "But we are likely to need reoperations, likely to develop things like heart arrhythmias where we're going to need additional care. Better to get it sooner than later."

For now, symptoms are what send many patients back for heart care, but they can be subtle, easy to dismiss.

Deepa Sinha of Herndon, Va., is a classic example. She had a complex but common defect called tetralogy of Fallot repaired at age 8, a final checkup around 21, and "went on with my life." Then weakness hit in her mid-30s.

Tetralogy repair frequently spurs a leak in the pulmonary valve that over time damages the heart's right ventricle, making it hard to exercise and risking a fatal irregular heartbeat. Sinha didn't know that. For a year she attributed worsening fatigue to being out of shape and the demands of two kids and a career ? until the day she couldn't lift her 4-year-old.

"Life has totally changed," she says after getting a new valve last year. "I should have gotten this done years ago, if I had known."

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EDITOR'S NOTE ? Lauran Neergaard covers health and medical issues for The Associated Press in Washington.
 
From MY experience ... this is one thing I've never really understood ... why people haven't gotten checkups after open heart surgery.... I mean, to me, "routine maintenance" is second nature ... like having the tires rotated on a car ... or the oil changed.

*shrugs*

BTW, the ACHA message board is another one of which I'm a member ;).


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I think this is a sub specialty that will continue to grow as the need presents itself. There is a need for adult specialists of CHD because as they age even age related heart disease is more complex. Most people I know with tof or other complex heart defects still see their pediatric cards. When do they stop seeing these adults?
 
mmmm...I saw this article today too...

I wonder if they would like to include all us 40'ish BAVDers that had innocent murmurs as babies which we ignored for many many years most likely with very high BP in the in-between years :eek: ... and then suddenly turned into AVR in our 40's :D


I am very glad my boys have been diagnosed and I will make sure they dont forget about their hearts when they get to adulthood.

I have quietly been encouraging the computer-nerd amongst our boys to study Cardiology instead of computing :D

I know of one gal who swapped from a paediatric cardio to a regular one once she turned about 17/18...
 
Cort, great analogy but in reverse of your point. Lot's of folks procrastinate or avoid routine maintenance on their vehicles too.

*ug*

An interesting outcome for us was my wife's follow-up on her MVP in her 40's. It was a bad diagnosis in her youth!
 
I read this in the paper this morning and thought that not only childhood repair people who survive into adulthood, but also those with adult heart repairs/replacements of very long standing, have similar problems.

I believe that my husband Joe, is one of those with a very longstanding valve replacement (28 years).

His old valve and the others are working fine, but many, many other heart related things are cropping up, and his doctors really scratch their heads to come up with answers. The problems are subtle and interrelated, so while they are caused by the initial heart conditions, they do not fall into the category of strict cardiology, not do they fall in the category of strict ANYTHING. They are diverse and require the care of many specialties.

He has excellent doctors, most heading up the specialities in their particular hospitals. But they are frustrated in trying to fit Joe into particular categories.

I often feel that we are sailing in uncharted waters, and often don't know which doctor to call first, Internal Medicine, Cardiology, Pulmonology, Hematology, and now Nephrology, all of whom see Joe frequently and all of whom own a very large piece of his care.

It is scary. The potential for overlapping of services and opinions is ever-present. There also exists the very real problems of doctors working against each other, and prescribing something the others will eventually take away, causing wide swings in his reactions to the medicine changes.

It takes an enormous amount of time for any one doctor to care for someone with this kind of situation, and I do understand that.

I'm quite sure there will eventually need to be many more doctors who specialize in advanced cardiology of a global nature to take care of people who are surviving much longer than anyone would have guessed with chronic and extremely serious and difficult medical problems which have all blended together.
 
We need a national registry!

We need a national registry!

Nancy said:
I read this in the paper this morning and thought that not only childhood repair people who survive into adulthood, but also those with adult heart repairs/replacements of very long standing, have similar problems.

I believe that my husband Joe, is one of those with a very longstanding valve replacement (28 years).

His old valve and the others are working fine, but many, many other heart related things are cropping up, and his doctors really scratch their heads to come up with answers. The problems are subtle and interrelated, so while they are caused by the initial heart conditions, they do not fall into the category of strict cardiology, not do they fall in the category of strict ANYTHING. They are diverse and require the care of many specialties.

He has excellent doctors, most heading up the specialities in their particular hospitals. But they are frustrated in trying to fit Joe into particular categories.

I often feel that we are sailing in uncharted waters, and often don't know which doctor to call first, Internal Medicine, Cardiology, Pulmonology, Hematology, and now Nephrology, all of whom see Joe frequently and all of whom own a very large piece of his care.

It is scary. The potential for overlapping of services and opinions is ever-present. There also exists the very real problems of doctors working against each other, and prescribing something the others will eventually take away, causing wide swings in his reactions to the medicine changes.

It takes an enormous amount of time for any one doctor to care for someone with this kind of situation, and I do understand that.

I'm quite sure there will eventually need to be many more doctors who specialize in advanced cardiology of a global nature to take care of people who are surviving much longer than anyone would have guessed with chronic and extremely serious and difficult medical problems which have all blended together.

Very good observations. To me, the long-term solution is that we need to be tracked in a national registry so that study can be done and the doctors can learn from us. I am glad that many of our community saw the article!!
 
I also saw the article. I have always wondered how long my heart repair done in 1962 when i was 10 would last the test of time. It is going on 44 years! I would be interested in a study also of how all of "us childhood early heart surgery patients" have done.I was a blue baby and was able to stall until they knew heart surgery a little bit better for my chance of survival.
 
Hey everyone...I think this kinda goes with your topic. I had my first surgery, coartation of the aorta, when I was a couple months old. I also had a couple other things wrong, but was told that I would not have to worry about them till later on in life. I had a second operation when I was around 8 years (to scrape some tissue that was blocking my aortic valve) After that, I never really saw a cardiologist. Probably one of the dumbest things I could have done:( I think since I was feeling ok, and didn't really understand my heart conditions, I just wanted to pretend that they didn't exist. Well, in '03 I got pregnant and everything went downhill fast. I was in and out of the hospital, and ended up having my baby early. Well, since the pregnancy took such a toll on my heart, I ended up having to finally get my AV fixed.

It wasn't until planning of my OHS that I was told my coartation was not holding up. My surgeon explained to me, that since I was so young when I had it done, that it would need to be fixed too. That really made me mad, that no one every mentioned it could be a problem in the future:mad: Well, luckily he caught it, and while I had my OHS in August, he took that into consideration. During surgery, he checked it, and sure enough it wasn't working as well anymore. He actually changed the procedure, so instead of just replacing my AV, he used a conduit, so the blood flow wouldn't have to depend on either the aortic valve or the tight spot in my aorta. It has been six months since my OHS, and I am feeling great:) I am just thankful that he took the time to look at that, otherwise that could have been an additional surgery for me.
 
hosacktom,

You wouldn't be one of those procrastinators in getting car maintenance done ... would you? ;) He he he


And, Nancy ... great post/observations!
 
sometimes what we replace in the body is meant to be just as good, but it really will never be as good as what we are born with. I've been told that anything metal or anything that is replaced the body will try to make it apart of the body by covering it with tissue.


I had 2 heart valves replaced when I was 13 and yes when I had surgery I was told that they would last forever. That was over 15 years ago and they wanted them to last forever. But over time they realized that was not the case. I go to my doctor twice a year, so they told me and now I'm really watching myself and I don't hold anything against my doctors. Hey I'm still here and I look pretty good and feel fine so they must be doing something right.

So maybe in the next 2yrs I'll have them replaced, It might be sooner but I know that they don't have a crystal ball and can only see and do so much. If they're hiding something, well they can make it up to me with the lottery numbers.:D
 
My sister in law has had a "murmur" for years. She also has exercise intolerance and for the last couple of years, has had bouts of rapid irregular heartbeat. They put a Holter monitor on her last summer, and I think she's on a med now, but what gets me is that they have NEVER done an echo. It just makes no sense to me. Why would they not do something so basic to evaluate her murmur, especially when she's symptomatic?
 
From what I've observed I think a lot of it depends on the parents of the child with the CHD...

I've known "kids" who's parents dismissed their heart conditions, it was "corrected" "fixed" "taken care of" and you don't need to worry about it...

The kids in turn grow up under this false assumption and get into trouble later in life when something goes wrong that they're woefully unprepared for.


I've had more visits with my cardiologist when I was 18-32 than I had when I was 2-18.

I think most of that stems from my dad who had the good idea that I should be seen by a cardiologist since I was leaving high school and moving on to college, becoming an adult.

The first few years I saw my cardologist it was always routine. We got to know each other and became friendly but never had to deal with any medical issues regarding my heart.

I think that helped a lot later on when my heart started developing problems. I already had a strong rapport with a guy who could see me through it.

I don't think most "teens" with CHD's have that if they've been pretty heart-healthy since their initial surgery.

The one problem with a national registry that I see is that so many CHD cases can be VERY specific and unique to the patient. While, in general, what happened to me and my tricuspid valve was a fairly predictable outcome for TGV with Mustard repair, the developement for me wasn't at all typical.

Every kid with a CHD grows up a little different. Some are very active, some are couch potatoes. Some kids have early complications, some, like me, don't see anything until their mid- to late twenties. How do you track that for useful data?

Generally, most CHD kids run into complications by 30, but the gamut is so wide and varied just with what conditions they have, then the methods used to treat, then post-op lifestyle, diet, regular healthcare (or absence thereof...)


There is a serious shortage of physicians trained to deal with adults who have CHD's.

But then, there isn't really all that much known about adults with CHD's to teach beyond pediatric CHD material. It's getting better as adults with CHD's become more common and are seeing doctors for issues, but it's a new field and not that well understood beyond personal experience for patients and physicians.
 
This has been a great discussion with many thoughtful comments. Thanks for starting it, George.

Maybe the best thing we can do as a community of learners here, is to be sure to mention enough of our own experience to those who are interested, that they might connect themselves or loved ones to seeking proper care. Whether it is a maintenance issue, an issue of denial, or just a gap in good health care....conversation can spur action. Could be part of the reason we're all kept "on board" here on earth. Yes??

:) Marguerite
 
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