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Not too long ago, we had a long thread going because a newbie (me) was anxious about entubation. The experts finally got me calmed down, and we collectively learned that the medications used in ICU probably had a lot to do with good experiences vs bad ones. I recently came accross an article in the British Journal of Anaesthesia that shed a little more light on the topic, so I thought I'd share that by loosely paraphrasing parts of a 9 page article. Drugs used in surgery are typically different than those used in ICU - ie in surgury, they often want drugs to stop muscle movement such as in heartbeats or breathing. Criteria for ICU drugs include effectiveness, safety, cost effectiveness, fast acting, ability to produce sleep (sedation), ability to mask pain (analgesic), and the ability to prevent anxieties and unpleasant memories for the patient. Despite advances in medications, some patients will have adverse experiences from:physical discomfort from procedures, inability to communicate while entubed, and lack of sleep in the ICU. With both the drugs tested in the article, the patients could be extubed 30 minutes after discontinuing the sedation. Extubation occurs only after the patient is shown to meet a whole list of criteria such as alertness, cardiovascular stability, shows signs of spontaneous respiration, breathing volume above a given level, breathing rate that exceeds a given rate, etc. Even though both of the drugs in this particular comparison were known to have amnesic properties, some of the patients remembered being mechanically ventilated. Some patients in both drug groups also remembered discomforts regarding sleep, pain, noise, and the ventilator. What does all this mean ? This gives us a little more of an idea what to expect, also the notion that the perfect drug does not exist, and that some of us will experience some discomfort. Try to remember that you are being cared for by a skilled professional one on one, and that you will need to try to relax. It will get better, and you'll be feeling better as time goes on. Hope this was informative - I found it interesting. As a control freak, the more I know about a topic, the more comfortable I am. Chris
 
Thanks for the information, Chris. Of all the things that scared me to death, entubation wasn't even on the radar screen. And oddly enough, getting rid of it was probably the worst part of the post-surgical stuff (although those shots in the stomach were pretty much right up there!). I'm thinking that the entubation would have been simply awful for those who feared it going in.

Appreciate this kind of stuff.
 
ICU Nurses

ICU Nurses

I have mentioned this several times before..The hospital that I had my surgery..St. Joseph's in Atlanta (web site) is rated 5 star Cardiac Nurses.. I will say again..never remember ICU..Daughter and sister both told me I was peacefully asleep with a one on one nurse...:) When I awoke was in a private room..no sore throat, ect..ALL tubes gone..except for that silly tube for nose O2:mad: Kept losing it:p I guess. for all pre-valvers .maybe checking out the Cardiac Nurses ratings?In the hospital where you will be having surgery. Bonnie
 
Case in point ?

Case in point ?

Bonnie - I thought about you as I worked on the above post. The nurses probably had a great deal to do with your lack of discomfort. What about your meds in ICU ?- even if we knew what they were, some of us would be hard pressed to convince a hospital to change their drug protocols. How much of it is the reaction of the individual to the medication, the nurses procedures, etc. As you can see, there is still a lot that is unknown, and of course that drives a control freak a little nutty, but I'm used to it. I'm just curious, I guess, in trying to anticipate what may be coming down the pike for those of us sitting in the waiting room. Chris
 
Chris

Chris

As for as medications in my body..I had never taken any drug what so ever before my surgery. Never been sick..ect..not even a cold..Good genes I guess. :D so, I suppose whatever they gave me just put me out..like a lamb:D I have always had a great family love..Hubby of 37 years. 2 great kids and a wonderful sister. They all had me relaxed before hand (only had 2 days to get ready) Went to watch grandson play little league ball. ate breakfast with them..shopped for bedclothes..checked in to hospital..boom I was out.:D Could not have had too many drugs..because the next morning ..(after spending 1 night in private room) was bugging daughter for a cup of coffee..wanted to get up and get going:p :p Did you check out St. Joseph's in Atlanta and read about their cardiac nurses? Bonnie
 
Lucky lady ?

Lucky lady ?

Bonnie - obviously you did something right. Sittin here in the waiting room, I'm trying to figure out what it is. No I have not checked out your five star nurses yet but I will. I think you're just trying to get me down south so you can cook bisquits and gravy for me - and you know I'm on a diet.
 
I remember well being 'extubated' in '89. I was totally lucid, and freaked out that I was going to choke to death from all the mucous that forms around it in the throat. My nurse was cool though, as she let me hold the aspirating gizmo and suction myself which really calmed me down big time!!! When the surgeon removed it, I describe it as like delivering the placenta through my mouth, totally strange feeling. In '00, I was extubated already when I awoke for the first time. So wonderful and peaceful, and I had no problems in ICU at all.
Gail
 
Another variable

Another variable

I just talked to my cardio - he related an incident that he had post surgery. Turns out he has a funny gene and some of his family cannot metabolize some types of drugs very fast. He woke up after surgery (the sedative wore off) but could not move an inch (The muscle relaxant had not metabolized) He was stuck, couldn't blink an eye, and to make things worse, the amnesia inducing drug (typically versed) had also worn off so he remembered it all. Oh well, I guess we take what we can get. Chris
 
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