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This may have been posted before, but it sounds very interesting...

Title: New Discovery Of Bone In Heart Tissue May Explain Valve Disease
URL: http://www.pslgroup.com/dg/690CA.htm
Doctor's Guide
April 1, 1998


PHILADELPHIA, PA -- April 1, 1998 -- For the first time, researchers at the University of Pennsylvania Medical Center have confirmed that bone -- similar to that found in the human skeleton -- is present in a substantial portion of diseased heart valves.

This finding, which sets the stage for more in-depth research on the biochemical process by which valves transform into bone, could lead to the development of therapies to prevent or treat heart-valve disease. The broader problem of valve calcification is the leading reason for heart-valve-replacement surgery. According to the American Heart Association, more than 71,000 Americans required the life-saving procedure in 1995.

This line of inquiry should also help scientists better understand how calcium deposits form in the arteries of patients with atherosclerosis and other vascular diseases. The information gleaned will be useful to researchers who are studying rare disorders -- such as fibrodysplasia ossificans progressiva -- where bone forms outside the skeleton.

"While the problem of valve calcification has been recognized for over 100 years, this is the first study to look at a large series of diseased heart valves and find bone," explained Emile Mohler III, MD, director of vascular medicine at Penn.

Mohler and his colleagues presented their findings at the annual meeting of the American College of Cardiology in Atlanta, GA.

The team studied 228 valves removed from patients who underwent valve-replacement surgery from 1994 to 1997 at the Hospital of the University of Pennsylvania. Organized, hard-bone tissue -- identical to that found in a living human skeleton -- was found in 30 of the valves, which, according to Dr. Mohler, was a higher percentage than the researchers expected.

This work represents one important step in a long-term series of investigations to understand the biochemical pathways that govern the build-up of calcium, and now bone, in heart valves. In late 1997, Mohler and colleagues found osteopontin -- a protein that makes up the molecular scaffolding to which calcium sticks in the formation of bone -- in calcified valves.

"Finding this protein and actual bone is evidence that valve calcification is an active process of laying down organized bone tissue, not a passive one, as was once thought," Mohler said.

But that still leaves the question: How did bone cells get into the heart?

"One theory is that, under the right conditions, either valve cells or inflammatory cells at the area of heart damage undergo a genetic change and start making bone-cell proteins," Mohler said. "But, the most important question is, What's the trigger?"

The team's ultimate goal is to devise a treatment to prevent the hardening in the first place. Knowing how and why bone forms in the soft tissue of the heart might lead to a preventive or corrective therapy. The next steps are to develop cell and animal models of valve calcification.

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It was published a year after the approval of the first stentless porcine valve (St. Judes). The date was why I felt it may have been posted before.

My valve was very heavily calcified also, surprising even my prolific surgeon.

I have often suspected that my body had gotten so caught up with building and maintaining my bones that it decided to open up a new branch...

I was also reading another article that stated that high cholesterol was responsible for valve disease by causing the calcified lesions to form. Unfortunately for that theory, I have never had high cholesterol, and have almost always tested in the "you have lower risk than others" category. Nice try, hawkers of Lipitor...

I won't waste the post space on it, but here's a link: http://www.scienceblog.com/community/older/2003/F/20034372.html


Best wishes,
 
Interesting.

When I was researching bicuspid valves last year, though, I kept coming across information that stated that bicuspid valve people usually have clean arteries! I have had high cholesterol for several years (and do not medicate for it but I also have a sluggish thyroid which somehow contributes to high cholesterol) but my arteries were as clean as a whistle when I had my last angiogram nearly two weeks before my valve replacement.

How does it all fit together :confused: ?
 
The cholesterol theory doesn't tie together at all, in my book. And it smells of statin money.

My arteries were crystal clear as well. Enough so that my interventional cardiologist was quite impressed.

Maybe that's the link. Instead of putting it in our arteries, we concentrate it on our valves. ;)

Best wishes,
 
I've read some speculate that a good magnesium to calcium ratio helps to minimize calcification, whereas a lot of people don't get enuff magnesium from their diets.
 
Boy, that's interesting, Bob. Thanks for the article. My damaged valve was highly calcified too, and this makes for some highly provocative reading.
 
magesium to calcium ratio

magesium to calcium ratio

Would like some more info on magnesium to calcium ratio causing increased calcification. And info on whether diet can change this ratio?

Mine was also very calcified, and I have calcification again (so I will have to have reoperation within next year), but, surprising to the surgeon, no leaking.
 
Magnesium is available in capsules as a very inexpensive supplement. It is also found in foods like orange juice and anchovies. In this instance, I would consider that the CalMag or coral calcium-magnesiun products might be going the wrong direction, as those supplements have enough calcium in them to equalize the effect of the magnesium in them.

The manufacturers of tissue valves stop just short of advising recipients to not take calcium supplements, but if you like dairy, or take calcium for your bones, I would be thinking about adding more magnesium.

You should consider taking it in small doses (like 200 mg, twice a day), as some people have pointed out it can have a laxative effect. I take a 400mg capsule, but it doesn't seem to affect me noticeably.

Best wishes,
 
Bob -

From your research, what supplements would you be comfortable taking and what supplements would you avoid?

:confused: Frankly, I hardly know what to take! :confused:

Most women of a certain age are encouraged to take calcium. Also, a lot of friends recommend this or that (which they may take for a real or imaginary heart problem) and I've read several recommendations of various supplements on this site. I tend to balk at all of it but when I saw my cardiologist last week he wanted to be sure that I was taking a "good multi-vitamin." Regarding supplement selection, I feel like I'm blind-folded and playing pin-the-tail-on-the-[porcine]PIGGY :eek: !
 
I have found that supplements are a very personal thing for most people, and some get very high-strung about it. I take a number of supplements, but I'm not overzealous about it. If I miss a day, I think that's OK, too.

A good multivitamin with minerals is an excellent start. I like a natural vitamin, and it should contain the vitamins and minerals found in Centrum, or any of the other top brands. What you take doesn't have to be the brand name, though. Specs is specs. I take a natural multivitamin from Costco: Kirkland Daily Multiple Vitamins and Minerals*. You might want one that slides down easier, or whatever. Just compare ingredients with Centrum or similar.

Taking vitamins all together like that isn't optimal for absorbtion, but a multivitamin makes sure you get some of everything.

I buy most of my other supplements through Swanson Vitamins online. There are other inexpensive online places as well. I use Swanson because I knew them from 30 years ago, when they were a major innovator in natural health supplement products. They have an excellent "store brand" line that has high quality and saves some dollars. Supplements can get pretty expensive, pretty fast.

I take a 400mg magnesium* capsule (a mix of magnesium-oxide, -citrate, and -aspartate). My wife hates the powder-filled capsules, so I get her a Solgar 200mg tablet (they should spell it $olgar). You might want to stick to two, 200 mg caps, as some people find it has a laxative effect.

If you don't consume much dairy, and don't get calcium-enriched orange juice, you might want to take a calcium supplement. My wife gets a 200IU Calciboost softgel* capsule daily, which is a big, slippery gel capsule with calcium and vitamin D, that slides right down. We do like dairy, though. If you don?t, take two. Calcium requires Vitamin D to be absorbed, so it should be in with it.

There are a slew of antioxidant supplements on the market. They tend not to be reactive, and do not have stimulant or vasoactive (cause blood vessels to expand or contract) properties, insofar as have been reported. Some of the more recognized ones are:

green tea extract
grapeseed extract
hawthorne berries*
blueberry leaf extract*
bilberry*

astazanthin* (do not take if you smoke)
algae supplements
alpha lipoic acid*
rosemary
Beta-carotene
(also do not take if you smoke)
lycopene* (from tomatoes)
lutien* (marketed for eye health)
Vitamin E* 400IU softgel. Don?t buy an E product that contains only d-alpha tocopherol, make sure it includes mixed tocopherols. Also, amounts over 400IU do not enhance its effects, and may actually lower effectiveness.

B vitamins* and their kin are useful as antioxidants and in assisting chemical activity in the body. I take a ?B-50? product from Swanson. It has 50 mg or 50mcg of each B vitamin, as appropriate. Huge overdoses of B vitamins go rapidly down the toilet, and are simply wasteful to no benefit. Folic acid* is very inexpensive, and comes in a tiny, easy to swallow capsule. It is used extensively by the nervous system and is considered one of the most frequent vitamin deficiencies.

Niacin (Believed to help clean the blood vessels of plaque. Do not take this in the time-release form to avoid the ?flushing? feeling. In fairly moderate doses, it can be hepatotoxic [harmful to the liver], and I believe it is better to give the liver a rest than a constant barrage of it. It is also considered most effective when it peaks, which time-release specifically avoids. In fact, I don?t use it at all.)

There are many vitamins that are supposed to be good for your heart or help keep your arteries from getting clogged:

Beta Sitosterol* (Cholestatin ? a natural, mild statin-like plant substance that may help lower cholesterol)
Polycosinol* (Lowers lipid levels)
Virgin Salmon Oil* or other fish oils with Omega-3 fatty acids
Borage Oil* Instead of fish oil, if you?re a vegetarian
L-Carnitine Fumarate* (Increases energy availability, esp. in the heart)
Pantethine* (Lowers triglyceride levels, a derivative of B5)
Garlic* (Thins the blood [check INR!] and a natural antibiotic)

Coenzyme Q-10 (An ubiquitous compound found throughout the body. Research indicates that it is lower in people who are ill and especially in heart patients. Used by the body in energy production (ATP>ADP reaction). Normally manufactured by the body, but supplements boost its amount. If you stop taking it, there will be a dip in levels, while the body picks up making it again. This has strong support in many heart circles.)

Of the minerals, you will have enough of most in your multivitamin with minerals supplement. Additional minerals of interest:

Zinc* (30 mg or less, good for immune system)
Chromium* (Most are chromium picolinate, supposed to encourage lean instead of fat. I take GTF Chromium, a niacin-bound form which enhances the effectiveness of insulin in your system.)
Boron* (Helps with bone growth. Tiny capsule once or twice a week.)
selenium* (Antioxidant mineral, trace radioactivity, don?t overdo)

And finally,

Soy Isoflavones
(Marketed toward women going through the change and thereafter, to ease hormonal symptoms. My wife takes these.)

The ones with the * are ones that I take either every day or every few days. You don?t need to take all these. I take the antioxidants because I have had heart surgery, and I still find that cancer is what really scares me.

Oh, and standard disclaimer: I am not a professional nutritionalist.

Best wishes,
 
Don't be surprised if someone posts soon with very different opinions.

Supplements are a highly subjective area, and different approaches do, in fact, work for different people.

There is also a lot of bad science out there in the supplement and herbal industry, and neither I nor anyone else is immune to it. In the end, some of it has to be a judgement call.

Best wishes,
 
I don't pretend to know anything about any of this.

I was bicuspid, and the valve was so heavily calcified that it literally fell apart in the surgeon's hands as he removed it. I also had about a 30% occlusion in one of the coronary arteries, according to the angiograph, so they did a CABG while they were under the hood. This was despite the fact that my cholesterol readings have always been in the good range, and I had been on vitamin E and salmon oil supplements for about two years prior to the surgery.

Since I now have a "history" of coronary artery disease :eek: the cardio has me on Lipitor ($15.00/month co-pay). I take the following supplements, most of which have been suggested by my opthamologist, as I have the beginning stages of age-related macular degeneration.

Lutein (20 mg)
Vitamin B complex
Vitamin E (400 iu)
Calcium with magnesium and zinc
Salmon oil
Vitamin C (1000mg)

I am eating a lower-fat diet, consuming more fresh fruit and oxidants, and my recent cholesterol numbers are even lower; it could be the new lifestyle or a combination of everything.
 
No, Bill. It's just that most of your cholesterol was cemented into your heart valve...

Mine also startled my surgeon. He stated that it was so heavily calcified, that he didn't know how I was getting any blood through it at all.

From one concrete valver to another,
 
Many people are very big on this product, so here's a link for Coenzyme Q10 (COQ10): http://www.coenzyme-q10.info/coenzymeq10benefits.htm

It cites research, but comes to mushy conclusions, so take it with something of a grain of salt. "Researchers believe" and "research suggests" are waffling words, fine for those who are imparting "probable" information, but not so thrilling when it's coming from people selling a product. Note that this compound is found everywhere throughout the body, but is quite expensive as a supplement, and is likely a good moneymaker.

As it is normally created by your body, the amount you take starts to come off of your daily production. As such, when you miss taking it, your levels will dip lower than normal. For that reason, I still have some hesitation, and don't take it yet myself.

However, there is no denying that it certainly does sound helpful, particularly for the semi-sound-of-heart.

Best wishes,
 
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