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BionicBuddy

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Hello,

I've been posting in the past few weeks and rudely, did not introduce myself.

I am the wife (buddy) of one of the most wonderful men on the face of this planet. He happens to have a BAV AS. This is our story:

Over 30 years ago, as a young inexperienced nurse (in my previous life), I heard a loud murmur in my husband's chest. He was sent for an echo, and everything was "perfect". We were given the green light to do any activity he wanted to. And boy, did we push the extreme adventures and exercises back then. Heavy canoeing/portaging along rugged cliffs, canoeing 8 - 9 hours daily against strong currents, and so the story goes. He played very competitive basketball between ages 16 - 28. (And he was awesome!!!! :D)

10 years ago, an incidental finding on an echo revealed BAV with moderate aortic stenosis. He received an echo every 3 years (cardio's recommendation) since then from 2002 - 2008, with no change. AVAs 1.0 - 1.1 cm2, mild increase in pressure gradients, insignificant aortic and mitral regurg, no aortic dilation/aneurysm and no ventricular hypertrophy. For this last check up, we had left it a bit long and didn't go for our 3 year check-up, and instead went in 4 years. Life got in the way, and it was very difficult fly down to Vancouver at that time. (We live in the beautiful boonies).

For our regular cardio check-ups, we would either have to do an 18 hour drive to Vancouver or a 2 hour flight to this location. While there, he would have his exercise stress test, echo, and an appointment with the cardiologist all on the same day because we lived way out of town. The cardiologist (who is the head of the department at the hospital) is the one who would read the echo and would give us the low down at that time. The echos were done by very experienced technicians in Vancouver.

A few years ago, a cardiologist moved to a town 4 hours away from us, and technicians were also starting to do portable echos in our own home town at the same time. We thought, gee. This is much more convenient than flying or driving to Van. So my husband had a portable one done with a newbie tech at the end of April. When my husband told me how it was done and what the fellow said, I was mortified. First, the tech reprimanded my husband for not having come in sooner and not having the test done every year. The yearly time-frame has never been our cardiologist's recommendation. However, I wouldn't have minded being reprimanded by a cardiologist, but not by a tech who has no business making a comment like that. My husband then asked the tech after the procedure was over, about the measurements I had asked him to obtain. The tech told him that he didn't know the measurements and that he would have to calculate them. He then told my husband that "of course it is going to be worse". A tech telling him that? I was very PO'd. The way the test was done was also very different than usual, my husband told me.

That particular echo done in April, got read by a radiologist in the town 4 hours away, not the cardiologist. It didn't even have aortic diameter measurements on the report to see if there was any problem with dilation or aneurysm.

So we got the results from our GP and we read some things that shocked us. Significant left atrial dilatation (56 mm), left ventricular hypertrophy, elevated pressure gradients (peak 63 mm Hg and mean 36 mm Hg), and an AVA of 0.9 cm2.

Well, we started to freak out a little and went straight back to our GP to get a referral ASAP to our usual cardio in Vancouver to get retested on the equipment we have used for the previous results.

We have kept our appointment with the cardio 4 hours away for next week, and for the cardio in Van 2 months from now.

We are on pins and needles. Do we stop playing basketball? (we've both been playing together for the past 35 years) Are we going to have to stop snowboarding? (we've both been doing this on very gentle slopes for the past 6 years) When will surgery be recommended? Are all the anxiety symptoms he has been experiencing (only since the reading of the echo report) related to his head space or to his heart defect?) Does he have an aneurysm/dilation now? Will we need to have an echo every 6 months or every year now? What is the mortality risk of sudden death if we keep playing basketball (it's co-ed basketball so that should tell you the level of competition now at 53 years of age :) ) and the questions go on and on and on and on in my head.

We were really hoping beyond hoping, that by the time he needed an AVR, TAVIs would be commonplace as a first line surgical option (not just for a re-op). Apparently the hospital in Van that my husband is being monitored at has pioneered this procedure.

http://www.vchri.ca/s/NewsReleases.asp?ReportID=506189

We'll feel lots better after the end of July when we get all the info in and are able to make definitive plans for my husband's health. He is getting the echo repeated in Vancouver and is also having his usual every 3 year stress test.

Thanks for letting me spew.

I just want to say thank you so much to all of you. To the geniuses and well-researched people on this site - your knowledge blows me away. To those who have the courage to post their emotions and fears - thank you, because it has helped me not to feel so alone. To all of the jocks on this site - thank you, because you show us what is possible. To the fearless on this site - thank you, because it helps me regain perspective: this is a potentially life threatening illness WITH a solution (unlike so many diseases), and To Paleogirl, thank you for our very small DIY experiment for two.

That's it. All and any input is always appreciated.

I wish all of you the very best.

Regards,

A very anxious Bicuspid Buddy
 
I sympathize with you and your husband...being on the asymptomatic, monitoring every few years path for so long and then BAM!...someone mentions something that may indicate surgery is coming sooner rather than some obscure future date. Same thing happened to me, and the anxiety attacks started up. My GP prescribed meds that helped, but I have to say I'm very glad to be on the other side of the surgery now. I'm 3 months post op after a mitral valve repair and I'm back to normal or at least normal for me...I was never super active though...it's probably pretty easy to get back to being a couch potato ha ha! I wish you all the best... Try not to stress too much...worrying about it won't change the outcome and generally just ends up being a waste of energy.
 
Welcome to this wonderful site where everyone 'gets it'. . I, too agree that your hubby is one lucky guy having such a supportive wife.

It is unfortunate that your husband had a bad experience with the echo tech. Personally, I would be talking to his manager about this lack of bedside manner and unprofessionalism.

Parts of your story really resonated with me. I am a very active person who was merrily enjoying life with my hubby and all its activities such as cycling, hiking, skiing tennis, aerobics when BAM....after booking my 3 year cardio visit received the shocking news that I now had severe aortic stenosis and was basically asymptomatic. It took a while to wrap your head around this type of information and eventually had AVR surgery about 16 months later. I am back to my usual activities.

Yes, there is life both before and after valve surgery. The most impt. thing I would do if compile your list of questions for the cardio (including what activities your husband can do etc). Will you be asking for another echo or test to verify this finding?
Take a deep breath...Hang in there....it will get better. :)
 
BB - Thanks for sharing your story. I enjoyed a wonderful vacation with my wife in Vancouver and Whistler in late May a few years ago, and given your additional remoteness, I can easily imagine just how beautiful it must be.

Obviously, the most recent echo isn't the greatest report in the world, but certainly not worst case either, particularly given no symptoms (I have wondered if cardiologists keep a separate chart for post echo symptoms!). The pressure gradient is still moderate and while the AVA is now severe, it is only slightly lower than the relatively stable measurements reported in the last 10 years. The left atrial dilation does stand out, certainly, although I think the more critical value is the left atrial volume index. I did not have left atrial dilation, though, so know very little about the extent that might supercede the more common surgery predictors (gradient, AVA, velocity). In any case, the Vancouver retest should certainly either confirm or at least better elucudate the situation.

So, hopefully your next appointments will go a long way to better understanding and easing the anxiety. Speculating the worst is obviously perfectly normal, but you are in a bit of a lurch currently, so I think the more tangible information you both learn about current condition, diagnosis, and potential next steps should only be helpful in the process.

I've posted a few other thoughts in the other threads, so won't add much more here. I do think it's important to emphasize, though, that while TAVI is an amazing new frontier in valve replacement for a select group of patients without other options, it is not by any means the best way currently available to replace a valve. Yes, the devices are improving and results getting better, and complications will inevitably be lower in lower risk patients, but I can't imagine any surgeon choosing TAVI anytime soon as a first option for someone who is a good candidate for "standard" valve replacement surgery. The risks and complication rates of the traditional method are already very low and still improving, with more and more options for less invasive incisions and shorter recovery periods as well.

Anyway, welcome aboard (officially now). You are a great addition to our community and your warm gratitude is refreshing. Wishing you both nothing but the best moving forward.
 
Thanks for all of the support. It's uncanny how just one line of what many of you write, can help alleviate anxiety.

I've seriously been questioning the accuracy of the last portable echo since I read it 4 weeks ago. Hubby's LVEF was 65 - 70% as it has been for the past 10 years. How could he have an LA of 56 mm and only have mild MR and mild AR? (Mild MR and AR are nothing new for him). I would have thought that with that degree of significant LA dilation, there would have been moderate to severe MR or AR, not mild. (I did read your response regarding echo discrepancies on the other thread ElectLive and that was helpful). There is no mention of left atrial volume index on any of the echos he's ever had. Why would this be a more critical value than LA?

I have a whole list of questions for the cardiologist associated with that particular echo when we go, 1 week from now.
 
The LA is not "symmetrically" shaped and enlargement is often not uniform so it's my understanding that LA volume is a better measure. The index is to correct for the impact of body size on LA.
 
We returned from our 8 hour round trip with Cardiologist #2. I cannot tell you the relief we feel!! Follow-up echo and cardio exam was recommended in 2 years, and hubby can still continue to play B-ball and snowboard!!! The only thing he isn't allowed to do is back-pack up mountains or anywhere for that matter. We can still hike up mountains with no heavy back-packs she said. I asked her what the risk of sudden death would be for him at the present time, considering his involvement in sports, and after what she saw on the echo and her physical examination. She said that if sudden death occurred, it would be from another cause. Whew. It's amazing the impact that the words spoken by a specialist have on patients.

We are forever grateful for this site. It has helped me to get my head out of the sand. My husband even started reading this site just recently because he was too afraid to read this site when I started reading it. His resistance to surgery is now becoming more and more pliable because of this site and after reading your stories. Thank you all.

Like 2 other gals here who treated themselves to chocolate after their cardios' appointments, I followed suit.

So many wise people on this forum, ElectLive, Bill, Lyn, and many, many others whom I have read.

We see Cardiologist #1 for a second opinion next month, along with a repeat echo and exercise stress test.

I have 1 question for those in the know.

I asked the cardio if my children (19 and 27) should be screened for BAV and she said it was unnecessary. Hmmmm. It looks like many of you here had your children tested. Is that because there was aortic root pathology in your condition? Anyone here with BAV and AS with no aortic root pathology, and have had their children screened? What do you make of this advice? (we will also be posing this question to Cardiologist #1)

Also, I found it a bit odd that there was no aortic diameter measurement or any comment of absence or presence of aortic root pathology on the echo report. She said that if there is no problem, it is not stated on the report. The echo we get next month will clearly give us that info. I think we have our bases covered.
 
Great news BBuddy and Hubby. I can't much comment on the lack of measurements in the testing since I am awful on this. But I will say for your peace of mind and if possible do have your children screened. My mother had congestive heart failure which although never confirmed I believe was cause by defect in valve. My sister and I both have/had murmur. I had surgery, she has not. So, I suggested to both my son and daughter to be tested. They did, at this point no sign of valve issues however, my son during testing was diagnosed with WPW Wolff-Parkinson, White) syndrome. Go figure. In any case I believe it helps to keep worry at bay to test our loved ones. Does anyone else in your husband's family exhibit or been diagnosed with valve issues?
 
I asked the cardio if my children (19 and 27) should be screened for BAV and she said it was unnecessary. Hmmmm. It looks like many of you here had your children tested. Is that because there was aortic root pathology in your condition? Anyone here with BAV and AS with no aortic root pathology, and have had their children screened? What do you make of this advice? (we will also be posing this question to Cardiologist #1)

Well, I had the aneurysm, but even without, if it were my girls, I would still have wanted them screened, and to me, almost without question if at a pregnancy age range. For reference, I started a thread about BAV screening a few months ago: http://www.valvereplacement.org/forums/showthread.php?39706-BAV-and-First-Degree-Relatives and there are several others if you do a search. BAV incidence is often quoted anywhere from 10% to 20% in FDRs and aorta dilation up to 33% or so even without the BAV. Here's one of several studies: http://content.onlinejacc.org/cgi/reprint/53/24/2288.pdf that most importantly seems to have citations to pretty much all the other relevant research. But it does also present some interesting evidence documenting abnormal "elasticity" of the aorta in first degree relatives even without dilation.

Now, all that being said, I would also emphasize that it is not exactly a clear-cut call for a cardiologist, though, especially in your husband's case. For the most part, patients taking part in the relevant studies are already at surgical stage and/or also have aorta issues of their own. So, in other words, the families being studied may just be higher risk, more so than a general population study of BAV patients would likely be, or more so also than a set of BAV patients without aorta issues and later in life valve replacement.
 
Thanks, yet again. As always, you are an incredible wealth of information ElectLive. After reading all of the info written here, even if cardio #1 agrees with cardio #2 regarding the lack of need to echo my daughters, I'll go to my GP with this lengthy study report and asked that they be tested.
 
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