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imhayley

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This is the final chapter to my story. The Gastro Doctor found nothing. He checked all the areas that Doc Allen suggested also. I give up! Maybe I'm spitting up happiness and I don't recognize it. I just don't know anymore. I havn't the funds to continue my medical quest as to where the bleeding is coming from although they did tell me the next Doctor to see was an ENT. So I will just live with it I guess and when I start spitting gallons of happiness or panic attacks as they call it then I shall begin the worry process again. Until then I shall be sick with horrid nausea and spit happiness on a daily basis. I just can't figure out one thing. If the cardio can't find it and the Gastro Doctor says there is nothing wrong, then what is an ENT doctor going to be able to find that these 2 havn't? Can you just will yourself to spit blood? I just am so upset and don't get me wrong as I'm VERY glad they didn't find anything yesterday when doing the EGD but that still doesn't explain what the heck is going on. Could I be bleeding a tiny bit somewhere and they can't see it? DOES ANYONE ELSE HAVE THIS PROBLEM WHILE ON COUMADIN? I havn't much fight left in me (okay that's a lie) and am getting so discouraged. If my heart is okay and the belly is okay (although how can it be when I'm sick and losing weight) then what the hell is bleeding? If anyone has a clue to what this could be will you PLEASE give me some feedback. I'm not sure what to do next. Okay and sorry I guess this may not be the end of the story:D
 
Hayley,
An ENT doctor could make sure there isn't a small "bleeder" in the back of your throat or nose. Bleeding in either of those areas could cause you to swallow blood and then spit it back up because your stomach rejects it. I know the expense is tough but it may be worth one visit to see if the ENT guy thinks there may be some help. If he finds a bleeder, he can cauterize (sp?) it and solve the problem.
I can't really think of anything else it might be. My ex-husband had some throat surgery for snoring a number of years ago and there was a small bleeder that was not sealed properly. He had problems similar to yours (except in a bigger way) but the bleeding didn't stop and he had to have minor surgery to fix it.
 
An ENT sounds like a very logical next step. When I first read "ENT", I thought - maybe she has some sinus issue that's irritating her vessels and the Coumadin is just drawing attention to it earlier. It is possible to spit blood from that which is draining down your throat.

Have you had any colds lately, or sinus headaches, or sore throats?
 
And certainly constant drainage from sinuses will make you nauseated. And if you have a low grade infection of the sinuses, you could lose weight etc. etc. And cause irritation, or even bleed a little from the sinuses.

The good thing is that all the serious stuff is ruled out. The bad thing is you still feel lousy.

If there's any way of managing it, I'd really suggest you go to the ENT; s/he'll culture the glop in your sinuses and see if there's a problem.
 
Oh I am so sorry. on the plus side as others have said at least you ruled out the biggies, os that is good. you know the sinuses kind of makes sense. when I've had bad sinuses I had some yucky tastes. Please don't think you are nuts, well any more than anyone else:) I know this must be so frustrating, I have the other problem, I feel good and then have rotine blood work and the next thing you know out comes my gallbladder lol. you are a reallynice person and I really hope you go to the ent and it's a simple fix. thanks for updating, I was starting to worry, Lyn
 
I think that spitting blood rather than vomiting blood would lead to the ENT path more likely than the GI path.
 
I have blood in my

I have blood in my

nose mucus all the time - I just saw an ENT and he said it is from sinusitis and he has it too (him with a "healthy" heart).

It is not frank blood, but streaks of blood. I am not sure what you are spitting up - blood and mucus or just blood.

I understand how scared and upset you are. This heart stuff is not for sissies and I am having such a hard time with everything since my surgery. It is very scary.

My thoughts are with you. I would almost BET that your problem is coming from the nose and an ENT will tell you that. Try not to worry.

Christina L
 
Hi All:

I am the ENT who suggested to Haley that this was more likely and oral problem rather than esophagus or stomach. Her symptoms are described more as spitting up of blood rather than vomiting. I also pointed out that upper GI endoscopy because of the nature of the scopes used is poorly designed for looking at the area between the teeth and the opening of the esophagus. Nevertheless, unless an obvious ENT site is found the other endoscopy is needed. The problem with any examination is that if the bleeding is from a break in a vessel, unless it is bleeding at the time, the chances of finding the spot is very slim. At times there is ?irritation around the site that tips one off. This differs from benign or malignant growths that have a tendency to bleed because their surfaces are friable. You may not find bleeding, but the lesion is visible. Although usually large, I have found tumors (i.e. growths without any distinction between benign and malignant) as small as 1/16 inch that caused bleeding symptoms.

I have a comment about the order of the TEE and GED that was done. Granted there may in some hands be different types of anesthesia used for each study but I think they should have been done together. So does the insurance company. The ?rules? of medical billing are such that if done together, the insurance company says that since you had to pas through the esophagus to get to the stomach, the charge for getting to and examining the stomach INCLUDES the charge for the esophagus. So, if you do both on separated days, you can bill for two procedures rather than one. If this is the ethical mindset of the MD who did the procedures, then trusting someone like that to try to examine the mouth etc is questionable.

I spent seven years as the part time medical director of the hospital trying to improve care and monitor physician behavior. All I got out of it was a reduction in referrals because doctors don?t like to be called to account for poor or unethical behavior.

There have been several inaccurate comments on this site regarding sinus disease in relation to bleeding. First of all bleeding from the nose is rather obvious in that it drips or pours out of one or both nostrils. In some case, when the bleeding is from far back in the nose, it drips into the mouth and patients spit it out. However, if one tips ones head down until it touches your chest, then it will also drip from the front of the nose. Bleeding from the sinuses even with severe infection or a large tumor is rare. When it does occur one sees blood mixed with mucous sinus secretions. The color tends to be dark rather than bright red. Nothing in Hayleys?s history suggests this as the cause. Unfortunately the American public is brain washed by the TV ads for sinus medications to believe that the much more common symptom of nasal congestion is that of sinus disease. Yes, the two often go together, but believe me most of what the public and non-ENT doctors think is sinus disease is rhinitis.

I agress with imhaley, for my input, this is the end.

This answer is not intended as and does not substitute for medical advice - the information presented is for patient education only. Please see your personal physician for further evaluation of your individual case.
 
I was thinking the same thing. My husband gets bloody noses all the time and will occasionally spit up blood. The ENT told him it was from vessels in his nose breaking - it'll drip down and he'll spit it up. The consensus was cauterization of the vessels. Haven't done it yet though.
 
With Gratitude!

With Gratitude!

Thank You everyone for your input and feedback. I'm quite grateful to be able to get info like this from you as sometimes it isn't that simple to get answers. Once again I would like to say Thank You from the bottom of me St. Jude:D I feel so blessed to be a member of this site and have people like you to talk to.
cheers!;)
 
Haley, I dont know your whole story. I have numerous bouts of nausea and spitting up blood and blowing blood clumps thru my nose. I was hospitilized last year for 3 days due to this problem. An ENT cauterized ny nose andmy bleeding stopped eventualy. I was on Phenergan injections every 8 hours. I hope you find the answer your looking for. I dread the day I was put on Coumadin!! I've had so many problems and several surgeries that were caused by Coumadin. My levels swing so drasticaly. Best of luck.
Alicia
 
Alicia,

Warfarin does not cause you to need surgery. Never, ever, no-way, no-how. It makes things that were going to bleed some day bleed sooner. You may actually owe your life to warfarin uncovering little probles that could be taken care of before they became big problems. Instead you should be thankful that you were on warfarin.
 
Alicia, Sorry you've had such problems. How is your Coumadin managed? Do you go to a doctor, clinic, lab, or do you home test?

The reason I ask this is that I've become very suspicious that when people report that their INR has never been stable it may be do to mismanagement by people who really don't know the drug. I always used to say that my INR has never been stable. But the truth is, since I've been home testing and dosing myself, I've been the most stable I've been in 14 years.

I'm not saying this is your case, but you may want to take a look at your history since being on the drug. How often do you test? What is your range. Are dosage adjustments always being made and by what % are they being made. (We just had Linda post today that her doctor told her to hold her 6.5 mg dose for 3 days for an INR of 4.6 - that's insane.) Are you seeing wide swings in your INR - going too high, dosage adjusted, then going too low, more adjustment etc.?

As people on Coumadin, I think our biggest danger is having people manage our Coumadin that don't know the drug. And unfortunately most who really don't know the drug, think they do.
 
feeling better

feeling better

I have stopped spitting blood and the nausea has subsided. Thank GOD! I'm feeling so much better and that works well for me. I'm working hard at getting my glass half full again then I'm off to filling er up till it over flows!!! Thanks to all for the input and support. I could NEVER had made it this far with out you and this site.(and my inratio of course he he:D )
 
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