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RickKiem

Hey everyone,
The last few days I have noticed that my heart is seeming to skip a beat every so often. For those of you who have followed my story, I think I might be the proud owner of the loudest valve on the planet. I have noticed a strange sensation every so often lately and when I lay down to sleep I have realized this wierd feeling coincides with a missed tick. I have not had any problem with irregular heart beats since a few weeks post op. Does anyone think I should be concerned. They don't happen more that once every few minutes and always just a single missed beat. I see the Dr. the week before Thanksgiving and wonder if I should just wait till then to talk about this if it has not resolved by then. Let me know what you think.

Rick
 
While it's probably nothing unusual, mention it to your Cardiologist. I know mine is always asking me about skipped beats, palpations, racing etc., so better say something to be on the safe side. A few are normal, but if you have alot of them, I'd call.
 
"Skipped" beats

"Skipped" beats

Hi Rick

What you MAY be experiencing are pre-mature ventricular contractions. Pretty common, and not anything to worry about if you don't string several of them together. Note I capped the word "MAY." There could be something else going on, and it's best to have your cardio run an EKG.


I've had PVC's since my surgery 3 years ago. Frequency decreases w/ exercise in my case.

Some info below scraped from heartcenteronline.com.

Hope all is well.

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PREMATURE VENTRICULAR CONTRACTIONS

( Premature Ventricular Complex, PVC, Ventricular Extrasystoles, Ventricular Ectopics, Benign Ventricular Ectopics )
Summary

Premature ventricular contractions (sometimes called PVCs or VPCs or benign ventricular ectopics) are a fairly common type of abnormal heart rhythm (arrhythmia). In the normal sequence of events, a heartbeat is initiated in the top right chamber of the heart (right atrium) and subsequently conducted to the bottom chambers of the heart (ventricles). A premature ventricular contraction occurs when the ventricles fire early (prematurely), before the atria. They may be caused by fatigue, caffeine, alcohol, nicotine or a variety of other factors. In many cases, the cause of PVCs is unknown.

Some people may feel skipped beats or galloping palpitations, and other people may not notice PVCs at all. In general, these irregular beats are harmless. However, diagnosing them and ruling out heart disease may be important. People are also urged to contact their physician if they experience chest pain or a sudden worsening of their PVCs. If necessary, treatment generally involves taking medication, such as beta blockers or antiarrhythmics.


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About premature ventricular contractions

Premature ventricular contractions (PVCs) are a fairly common type of irregular heart rhythm (arrhythmia). They occur when the lower chambers of the heart (ventricles) beat before receiving the correct electrical signal from the upper chambers of the heart (atria). Following this extra beat, a brief pause may occur as the conduction system of the heart resets itself. This is often perceived as a skipped beat.

PVCs are generally harmless. However, in patients with underlying heart disease, frequent PVCs may signify an increased risk of ventricular tachycardia (VT) ? a potentially fatal arrhythmia.

In some cases, the cause of PVCs is unknown. In other cases, they may be due to known causes such as the following:
Anxiety or stress
Fatigue
Alcohol or other substance use (e.g., caffeine or nicotine)
Electrolyte problems (e.g., from dehydration, starvation or uncontrolled diabetes)
Lack of oxygen-rich blood to the heart (cardiac ischemia)
Past damage to the heart (e.g., from a heart attack)
Congenital heart disease
Other heart-related problems
A person?s work schedule may be another type of ?stress? from which PVCs can arise. Studies have found higher rates of PVCs in night-shift workers, as compared to day-shift employees.


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Symptoms and diagnosis of PVCs

Signs and symptoms of PVCs
Individuals with PVCs may notice palpitations ? a feeling that their heart is galloping, pounding or skipping beats. These palpitations can sometimes feel like the heart is wildly out of control and they can be quite startling or frightening. In other cases, patients with PVCs may not notice any symptoms at all.

However, chest pain, fainting spells (syncope) or suddenly worsening palpitations may indicate more serious heart problems. People are therefore urged to contact their physician immediately.

Diagnosis methods for PVCs

A patient?s physician will begin by asking the patient about his or her personal and family medical history. The physician will also perform a complete physical examination. As part of this examination, the physician may notice an irregular pulse, though blood pressure tends to be normal.

Additional tests that may be ordered include the following:
Electrocardiogram (EKG). A painless recording of the heart's electrical activity. The highly sensitive electrocardiograph machine helps detect heart irregularities, disease and damage by measuring the heart's rhythms and electrical impulses. If no unusual electrical activity is detected while the patient happens to be in a medical setting, then the physician may order the patient to wear a Holter monitor to monitor the heart?s electrical activity continuously for the next 24 hours.

Echocardiogram. This painless test uses sound waves to visualize the structures and functions of the heart. A moving image of the patient?s beating heart is played on a video screen, where a physician can study the heart?s thickness, size and function. The image also shows the motion pattern and structure of the four heart valves, revealing any potential leakage (regurgitation) or narrowing (stenosis). During this test, a Doppler ultrasound may also be done to evaluate cardiac blood flow.

Exercise stress testing. Studies find PVC symptoms occurring just after (rather than during) an exercise test may increase the overall risk of potentially fatal arrhythmias. An echocardiogram (above) will be done in order to further analyze the heart?s function, with the results helping the physician consider treatments (if necessary).
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Treatment and prevention of PVCs

Treatment options for PVCs

In general, no treatment is necessary for patients who are free of heart disease and rarely bothered by symptoms of PVCs. For those who are bothered by their symptoms, the cause of the PVCs will be addressed if it can be identified. For example, patients whose PVCs are caused by excessive caffeine intake may be asked to limit or eliminate their use of caffeine.

Patients whose PVCs appear to be associated with heart disease will be treated for those heart-related problems. If the cause of the PVCs cannot be identified, then patients may be prescribed medications such as beta blockers, which block certain actions of the sympathetic nervous system (e.g., the stress response) that could lead to a rapid heartbeat. Rarely, a procedure called catheter ablation may be necessary to eliminate the abnormal cells causing the PVCs.

Prevention methods for PVCs

Patients whose PVCs were successfully treated by eliminating the cause (e.g., caffeine) from their lifestyle are strongly encouraged to avoid that cause in the future. Strategies for preventing PVCs with no known cause are unknown.


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Types and differences of PVCs

There are a number of different types of PVC, which are classified according to different standards. For example, they may be classified according to how often the PVCs alternate with normal heartbeats:
Bigeminy. The PVCs occur every other beat.
Trigeminy. The PVCs occur every third beat.
Quadrigeminy. The PVCs occur every fourth beat.
Alternatively, more than one PVC may occur in a row and be classified as follows:
Couplets: Two PVCs in a row.


Runs of ?nonsustained? V-tach (short for ventricular tachycardia): At least three PVCs in a row. In patients with weakened pumping function of the heart due to a prior heart attack, any runs of nonsustained V-tach indicate a high risk of potentially fatal arrhythmias ventricular tachycardia or ventricular fibrillation) and usually require further evaluation (cardiac catheterization and electrophysiology study).
Furthermore, PVCs may be classified according to where they arise within the heart:
Unifocal PVCs. The PVCs arise from the same source, so that they all look the same on an electrocardiogram (EKG).


Multifocal PVCs. The PVCs arise from different sources within the heart, so that they look different from each other on the EKG.
Other classifications also exist. Patients are encouraged to speak with their physician for more information.


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This information can be found by going to www.heartcenteronline.com
 
I agree with what has been said so far here. A skipped hearbeat though should be checked. I have had like a burning like sensation in my upper back, getting it checked today by stress test to make sure it is not heart related. PCP thinks it is posture related since it only happens when i am at the computer at work. Good to you and I will let you know what happens today. I am so thursty though. Pray that I do not dehydrate too much. Good luck.
 
Hi Rick,
If yours is the loudest valve on the planet, I think Jim may have the second loudest. We went swimming last week and had the pool to ourselves. I noticed that whenever I had my head in the water I could hear a ticking noise. Took a few seconds to realise it was Jim's valve reverberating through the water - heard it from opposite end of the pool!! Pretty much the only time we can't hear it is when he has the duvet pulled right up to his neck in bed!!
He's had a similar problem with skipped beats at rest and we asked the cardio about it last week. His answer was that the type of beat Jim was getting (like a double beat every 6 beats or so, as if one beat was early, followed by a harder beat) was because his heart was getting "bored" and trying to liven things up a bit. The harder beat after the early one was because the left ventricle gets a bit too full as a result of the previous early beat. Turns out the sotalol Jim takes to stop the atrial flutter he had in January makes his heartrate a bit too slow at rest. So he advised halving the evening dose - seems to have done the trick (touch wood) as it's now only every few minutes at the most that he gets the early beat.
I'd think it's definitely worth asking your cardio. When Jim asked his GP 6 months ago his only advice was to increase the sotalol (which apparently can help in some cases) but when that didn't work didn't have any other advice. Whereas his cardio knew exactly what we were talking about and came up with a sensible solution. Also, I think worrying about it can make it worse! so try not to if you can ;) .
Good luck!
Gemma.
 
It is sensible to get it checked out, but my personal bent is not to encourage them to add more meds unless they are actually medically necessary. There is a very high likelihood that this is a temporary aberration, or one of very minor significance.

Some thoughts...

You might consider whether you have fallen off the bandwagon for regular exercise, meaning especially milder cardiac-positive exercise like walking, rather than more violent exertions. I believe that reasonable exercise is highly underrated as a regulator of heart rhythms. Of course, if you are a marathoner, reasonable exercise has a different meaning.

Caffeine is often considered a major offender for arrhythmias, including the caffiene found in coffee, soft drinks, and (alas) chocolate. Consider cutting back or stopping caffiene intake and see if they go away or lessen.

If your doctor and pharmacist have no objection, you might also take a magnesium supplement. They are very inexpensive and have been very helpful to a number of people on this site. I take them.

Best wishes,
 
Thanks everyone! I will certainly mention it to the Doc when I see him and if they persist or become more frequent I will give him a ring. Thanks again for all of your advice. I think maybe they might be due to me being a down with a sinus and respiratory infection and have been on antibiotics and taking some decongestant. I hadn't even thought about that until reading these responses. All of you have a great weekend!

Rick
 
Gemma,

What is Jim's dose (morning and evening)?

I have a similar problem in the evenings taking 40mg in the AM and 40mg in the PM. I tried 50 / 30 which seemed to help but ran into a major episode when I came down with a bad sore throat and cold. Suspect either the Flonase (nose spray) or the expectorant. Took only one dose of each and had weird 'double beats' for about an hour after. Seems to have finally cleared up after the cold ran it's course.

'AL'
 
Pseudoephedrine HCL

Pseudoephedrine HCL

Almost all brands of over the counter (OTC) cold remedies that are labeled as containing a decongestant contain pseudoephedine hydrochloride (HCL), originally marketed as Sudafed. It is an extremely effective and useful decongestant, and poses no threat to the vast majority of the public. It also tolerates abuse fairly well, which is why it was released to OTC use by the FDA.

Pseudoephedrine is found in the plant ephedra, along with its more dangerous cousin, ephedrine, which is an alkaloid with amphetamine-like properties. Ephedrine also works as a decongestant, and is used for other medicinal purposes, but is too dangerous for use OTC.

Ephedrine was used along with caffeine as the basis for many weight-loss products which are now the subject of lawsuits (e.g. Metabolife). Because of this, its source plant, ephedra, is sometimes called herbal fen-phen. The herb ephedra is not illegal to sell (yet), but should be avoided the same way fen-phen would be avoided, particularly by heart patients. If you are into herbs and natural food alternatives, be very careful about what you are getting and knowing what's in it, as I have seen this marketed by unscrupulous vendors as a "safer alternative" to fen-phen, and is likely a constituent in numerous "secret herbal" weight-loss mixture products. In my opinion, it is not safe under any circumstances, and there is no evidence to show that it is.

One of pseudoephedrine's breakdown products, phenylpropanolamine, was used as an OTC decongestant for many years, but was voluntarily taken off the market a few years ago, due to findings that it increased risks of hemorrhagic stroke (bleeding type, vs. blockage type) in an extremely small percentage of people.

I looked for an "official" statement showing that pseudoephedrine can cause arrhythmias (after all, I shouldn't ask you to trust my memory), and found one immediately at the Florida State University medications site:

"Pseudoephedrine is a sympathomimetic (an agent that mimics stimulation of the sympathetic nervous system) that acts predominantly on the alpha receptors but has little or no effect on beta receptors. This allows pseudoephedrine to relieve nasal congestion with little or no central nervous system stimulation, which is why this drug has become so popular in over-the-counter cold remedies. Side effects include convulsions, hallucinations, irregular heartbeat and shortness of breath ." (Bolding mine.)

Many valvers are not restricted from using it, but you should check with your cardiologist and your pharmacist to be sure. It is certainly not for people who have arrhythmic problems. If you use it, be aware that it may have some temporary effects on your heart rhythm (as it can for people who have no heart issues), and discontinue it, if you are at all concerned.

Best wishes,
 
Certain medicated cough drops did the job on me once. Ended up in the hospital with 200 pulse. 320 mgm of beta pace does not keep my beat up heart in rhythm some of the time.
 
ON SKIPPED BEATS

Stress can cause it a lot, eating habits sometimes, infections like a cold or a fevor...

If they're few and far between they're not all that much to get worried about. In fact, many heart healthy people will experience skipped beats once in a while just 'cause they happen. When you sneeze your heart skips beats, everyone knows that, it's the same thing just about.

The concern comes in when they're happening a LOT or over a period of time (minutes or hours) or are in association with feeling light-headed or faint... Palpitations can be more serious and may even require emergency treatment.


Ask your doc, you may get fitted for a 24 hour event monitor (Holter) that you'll get to wear around the clock to record any episodes of skipped beats that might come up. Generally there's a button to press if you notice anything unusual with your heart and you're asked to keep a journal of your activities and any unusual things that your heart might do or what you were doing when your heart skipped around.



ON COLD MEDIATIONS

The stuff on pseudoephedrine that was posted was dead on so it's not worth beating with a big stick.

I will add though that there are a few medications that do NOT contain pseudoephedrine and are generally pretty effective for colds. Robutussin DM is good for cough and congestion as is CoricidinHBP which was created and marketed specifically for people wiht hypertension, high blood pressure, and heart related ailments.


If you have NyQuil in your medicine cabinet, go and dump it down the toilet right now!

I used to swear by the stuff because it was so effective for me when I had a cold or flu type illness. I always ignored the way it made my heart speed up and the tightness in my chest.

Since my valve trouble started up, I've been kicking myself for those days.... Should have known better and asked about it a LOT sooner.
 
Al,
After Jim discovered INCREASING his dose made the ectopic beats WORSE rather than better, and after discussing it with his cardiologist last week, he now takes 40mg at 8am and 20mg (or as close as he can get - has to break a 40 in half) at 6pm. Previously he'd been on 40/40. The cardio did in fact suggest halving both doses (ie 20/20), but as he wasn't bothered by ectopics during the day Jim has decided for the time being to stick at 40/20 and see how it goes. Seems to be doing the trick so far. The cardio did also suggest coming off the sotalol altogether to see how things went, but Jim's a little (understandably) afraid of the atrial flutter coming back so decided against that option!
Incidentally, the night we got back from the cardio we went to a friend's house - Jim had 2 cups of normal tea (usually has decaf) and a BIG chocolate brownie. Not a single ectopic beat that night that either of us noticed!!! Maybe the relief of being told ectopic beats aren't dangerous made them go away??
We have noticed that if he's been run down with a cold or just overworked, and hasn't done enough "good" exercise, the ectopics tended to get worse.
Gemma.
 
Thanks for the information Gemma.

Wish I could find 40mg tablets. The smallest I've found are 80mg that are scored at the middle. I have to cut every pill. What a pain.

Your comment about colds was also interesting. I had some really weird arrhythmias when I had a recent cold. Had to stop my nasal spray and expectorant after only one dose of each to calm my heart down.

Keeping balance on my medical tightrope is a real challenge at times!

'AL'
 
Just to add...

Ectopic beats increase with fatigue. Just being tired, lack of sleep (ya gotta cold, you're hacking half the night, feverish, keeping the wife up, and probably experiecing a LOT of funky little heart arrhythmias...)



That's true for anyone, regardless of their heart status...

I learned early on as a father that children not only experience ectopic beats when suffering from a fever, but also heart murmors (irregular heart sounds) that are basically normal though given my personal experience, the first report of it sent me off to try and schedule an appointment for my son with my cardiologist....


Heeheehee.... A true, "newbie," father, panicking at the nearest hint of a problem. =)


I said before, irregular heart beats generally are not much of a concern unless they are frequent or persist for more than a few minutes at a time or are associated with other symptoms such as SOB, feeling faint or light-headed, feeling of tightness or tension in the chest, pain in the arms or other extremeties...


Every night my heart skips a little when I lay down. It usually fades after a few minutes. It does the same thing when I'm sick (doing it today actually as either the cold I had came back or I picked up another one) and if I'm really tired...


I THINK they weren't as common when I was on amiodarone as they are now, but they were definitely still there. My cardiologist hasn't shown any concern over them or the results of the 24 hour event monitor I had done last summer.
 
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