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Yaps
Peterson will face death, and Blake verdict on the way!
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Actor Robert Blake Found Not Guilty Of Murder
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Actor Robert Blake Found Not Guilty Of Murder
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Karlynn
Yaps said:
Trying to figure that one out.
I just heard a tape today of him singing "Over the Rainbow" for the press outside the courthouse. He actually brought a guitar one day and sang for them.
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Barry
Did they find him not guilty of any crime, or did they find him not guilty of murder but guilty of some lesser included offense (e.g. manslaughter, littering)? Jury was out a long time, which generally is a good sign for the defendant.
With Peterson, BTW, I'm not entirely convinced that he's guilty of murder - although the jury is trier-of-fact so that's pretty much a done deal now unless there are procedural/technical grounds for reversal on appeal. From what I read, I think he certainly was guilty of being a despicable creep, though.
With Peterson, BTW, I'm not entirely convinced that he's guilty of murder - although the jury is trier-of-fact so that's pretty much a done deal now unless there are procedural/technical grounds for reversal on appeal. From what I read, I think he certainly was guilty of being a despicable creep, though.
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geebee
Barry,
I thought I was the only person in the country that thought Scott Peterson might not be guilty. I am almost afraid to admit it for fear of starting a thread revolution. I agree he is a total creep but I am not sure there was enough evidence to point to him as the murderer.
I sure hope he is guilty. I would surely hate for anyone to go through this if they are innocent.
I thought I was the only person in the country that thought Scott Peterson might not be guilty. I am almost afraid to admit it for fear of starting a thread revolution. I agree he is a total creep but I am not sure there was enough evidence to point to him as the murderer.
I sure hope he is guilty. I would surely hate for anyone to go through this if they are innocent.
I have been wondering the same thing. I also wondered why Lacy's mom was allowed to get on there and tell something that is a figment of her imagination. As much as I feel sorry for her, I think emotional things that might influence someone's opinion or even public opinion should have to be the truth. She had everyone wanting to cry about something she hears in her imagination. I think if one of my children or a family member was killed I would want to kill someone , I would just want to be 100% sure that I had the right person. I wouldn't want it on my conscience that I made a mistake. I really feel sorry for Scott Peterson's parents. They are the ones who will suffer if he dies. I probably wouldn't be a good juror on a capital punishment crime. I would be the one who tied up the Jury wanting positve proof. I do have a funny feeling about him but I don't think that counts. He should have been sentenced to life. I think life should be life though not 20 yr. or so. unless he is proven innocent at some time. I know there have been many cases where years later a person is found to be innocent.
I really feel for Lacy's family and have prayed for them. A parent's worst night mare and now his parents will go though it if the sentence is carried out. And unless he confesses they will believe he is innocent.
I really feel for Lacy's family and have prayed for them. A parent's worst night mare and now his parents will go though it if the sentence is carried out. And unless he confesses they will believe he is innocent.
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geebee
Well put Missy.
I think one of the things we, as a society, fail to understand is how the families of "criminals" suffer. Even if a person is guilty and should be punished, we forget that, in the majority of cases, that person is not alone. There are siblings and parents and children all who suffer through courtroom sessions and sentences and incarceration. We lose contact with our loved one who, no matter what they have done, is still our loved one.
I, too, feel for Scott's parents and family as well as Lacy's family. Even if he is guilty, his parents must be going through torture that is unbearable. I think he would be just as punished (if not more so) by spending the remainder of his life regretting his choices and knowing what he has wrought. I think, assuming he is guilty, that life in prison is far worse punishment than a quiet drug induced death. I know how such medicine causes unconsciousness because OHS uses similar drugs. It is very peaceful and cetainly not the "eye for an eye" people seem to want. It also does not allow for reversal should Scott turn out to be innocent.
End of Gina's soapbox.
I think one of the things we, as a society, fail to understand is how the families of "criminals" suffer. Even if a person is guilty and should be punished, we forget that, in the majority of cases, that person is not alone. There are siblings and parents and children all who suffer through courtroom sessions and sentences and incarceration. We lose contact with our loved one who, no matter what they have done, is still our loved one.
I, too, feel for Scott's parents and family as well as Lacy's family. Even if he is guilty, his parents must be going through torture that is unbearable. I think he would be just as punished (if not more so) by spending the remainder of his life regretting his choices and knowing what he has wrought. I think, assuming he is guilty, that life in prison is far worse punishment than a quiet drug induced death. I know how such medicine causes unconsciousness because OHS uses similar drugs. It is very peaceful and cetainly not the "eye for an eye" people seem to want. It also does not allow for reversal should Scott turn out to be innocent.
End of Gina's soapbox.
strawberry
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How long tile Blake gets a golf date with OJ? Maybe they could put their heads together to find the "real killers." Unbelievable.
Barry, Gina, and Missy
Barry, Gina, and Missy
I had the same feelings that you did. When I mentioned the possibility recently at my women's group, I felt like an outcast. Yet, when I asked questions (to defend myself) it always came down to infidelity and Amber Frey. Had this affair not been played to the hilt on the media and by Frey's attorney, the media sponge, Gloria Allred, perhaps the decision would have been different. Now, Frey claims that she has been damaged for life. Her liaison with Scott lasted a mere three weeks....before she began taping the series of phone calls. As listened to some tapes that were on the news, I thought she was baiting him. Rather reminds me of Linda Tripp. Sure makes me glad that I have been faithful for the past 40+ years.
Barry, Gina, and Missy
I had the same feelings that you did. When I mentioned the possibility recently at my women's group, I felt like an outcast. Yet, when I asked questions (to defend myself) it always came down to infidelity and Amber Frey. Had this affair not been played to the hilt on the media and by Frey's attorney, the media sponge, Gloria Allred, perhaps the decision would have been different. Now, Frey claims that she has been damaged for life. Her liaison with Scott lasted a mere three weeks....before she began taping the series of phone calls. As listened to some tapes that were on the news, I thought she was baiting him. Rather reminds me of Linda Tripp. Sure makes me glad that I have been faithful for the past 40+ years.
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geebee
Amber Frey is no more a victim than I am. She is a woman who had made a book deal before she perfomed her acting on the stand. A fact that the media played down and a fact that should have made her ineligible to testify.
And the reason Scott Peterson was found guilty without evidence (infidelity is not necessarily a prelude of murder or there would be a lot of dead people around) is because California did not want another OJ situation (another case that has gotten me in a lot of arguements). The media needed someone to pay for Lacy and Connor's death and Scott was the target. The case was made on the fact that Scott was supposedly heading for Mexico (with money and blond hair). I probably would have done the same thing if I knew I had little chance of getting off on a charge that would carry the death penalty and certainly if I knew I was innocent.
I would definitely be one of those people who hold up a jury, too. I missed the memo that changed "guilty without a reasonable doubt" to "prove you are innocent". I think such circumstantial evidence could have been found with thousands of people in the area.
I will say this probably will make people think twice about having an affair in the future, a good thing but not worth a man's life.
And the reason Scott Peterson was found guilty without evidence (infidelity is not necessarily a prelude of murder or there would be a lot of dead people around) is because California did not want another OJ situation (another case that has gotten me in a lot of arguements). The media needed someone to pay for Lacy and Connor's death and Scott was the target. The case was made on the fact that Scott was supposedly heading for Mexico (with money and blond hair). I probably would have done the same thing if I knew I had little chance of getting off on a charge that would carry the death penalty and certainly if I knew I was innocent.
I would definitely be one of those people who hold up a jury, too. I missed the memo that changed "guilty without a reasonable doubt" to "prove you are innocent". I think such circumstantial evidence could have been found with thousands of people in the area.
I will say this probably will make people think twice about having an affair in the future, a good thing but not worth a man's life.
hensylee
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I watched the entire OJ trial - I had retired in December, the trial began in Jan. I knew he was guilty and I was stunned when the jury declared him 'not' guilty. I do think Scott killed his wife - however, I think it might not have been on purpose. If he did it purposely, then he is right where he belongs, however, when given the death sentence, there is an automatic appeal.
My sister was murdered, as some of you might recall, last September. We suffer so. I will not go back into her home where it happened because her presence and the violent way she was killed is still there - in my mind. Neither will one of her sons. She has a new grandchild that she will never see and the child will never know her - but she will learn, in time, how her grandmother died. Every day of my life contains my sister. Other family members say the same. My disabled brother needs her, too. She is still with us, except her being 'with us' is painful. The cruelty of murder is unexplainable. Such violence. But the perpetrator lives on. The murderer of my sister has already received 30 yrs, 40 yrs, 40 yrs, consecutively and must serve at least 90 of those years - this is for various offenses. He is still to be sentenced on the murder itself. I prefer that he be given life instead of the death penalty - simply because of the fact that with the death penalty, he gets an automatic appeal. I want him dead, yes, but I don't want him to have even one more day in court after his sentence. If Scott Peterson is guilty, and only he knows for sure, then he is right where he belongs. The other scummy stuff he did, he would have been found out eventually.
I have found that when we do any action, we need to think and remember that we may be called to account/pey for that action.
Blake - he would have been a fool to have shot his wife, but I think he probably had lots to do with it. Look at their story - such trash. Don't even waste your thoughts on this one. Who knows? Sometimes justice prevails and sometimes not.
In all of this, we were not there. The jury was. We will never know what, exactly, went on in that courtroom. The jury system still works rather well in most cases. They're bound to get it wrong now and then. Our murderer confessed, there were tons of evidence, he was already a felon with a 30 yr conviction behind him, so no question about his guilt.
My sister was murdered, as some of you might recall, last September. We suffer so. I will not go back into her home where it happened because her presence and the violent way she was killed is still there - in my mind. Neither will one of her sons. She has a new grandchild that she will never see and the child will never know her - but she will learn, in time, how her grandmother died. Every day of my life contains my sister. Other family members say the same. My disabled brother needs her, too. She is still with us, except her being 'with us' is painful. The cruelty of murder is unexplainable. Such violence. But the perpetrator lives on. The murderer of my sister has already received 30 yrs, 40 yrs, 40 yrs, consecutively and must serve at least 90 of those years - this is for various offenses. He is still to be sentenced on the murder itself. I prefer that he be given life instead of the death penalty - simply because of the fact that with the death penalty, he gets an automatic appeal. I want him dead, yes, but I don't want him to have even one more day in court after his sentence. If Scott Peterson is guilty, and only he knows for sure, then he is right where he belongs. The other scummy stuff he did, he would have been found out eventually.
I have found that when we do any action, we need to think and remember that we may be called to account/pey for that action.
Blake - he would have been a fool to have shot his wife, but I think he probably had lots to do with it. Look at their story - such trash. Don't even waste your thoughts on this one. Who knows? Sometimes justice prevails and sometimes not.
In all of this, we were not there. The jury was. We will never know what, exactly, went on in that courtroom. The jury system still works rather well in most cases. They're bound to get it wrong now and then. Our murderer confessed, there were tons of evidence, he was already a felon with a 30 yr conviction behind him, so no question about his guilt.
Hensylee, I thought about you when this thread was started and was hoping that you would post about your feelings. I so feel for you and your family and until someone has been though a certain thing none of us can begin to feel your pain or what you feel.
Do you feel that there was proof positive in your sister's case against the murderer? If there was then you are certainly justified in your feelings. I think I can understand as I would want someone to suffer if it was my loved one.
But I wouldn't want just anyone to suffer. I would want the real one and badly.
I think that is the issue here. Was there enough evidence to convict him? I don't think so if what I heard on the news reports is true. But then I didn't sit though the trial. I kind of think he might be guilty but like I said before that doesn't count. And he will get an appeal and maybe more will come out then.
I hope he is guilty so that Lacy's family will be justified and that he will get what he deserves if he is guilty. Or at least part of what he deserves. But I still feel sorry for his parents.
And as far as Robert Blake is concerned. I never really had many feelings about that one but if he really is innocent I feel for him spending that time in jail and ruining his life financially and otherwise.
But they didn't say he was innocent just not guilty. Not enough evidence and that is the way it is supposed to be. Scott Peterson probably wishes he had got that jury.
But the publicity surrounding the Peterson trial and the innocence of Lacy and unborn baby really put the pressure on that jury. Glad I wasn't on it.
Do you feel that there was proof positive in your sister's case against the murderer? If there was then you are certainly justified in your feelings. I think I can understand as I would want someone to suffer if it was my loved one.
But I wouldn't want just anyone to suffer. I would want the real one and badly.
I think that is the issue here. Was there enough evidence to convict him? I don't think so if what I heard on the news reports is true. But then I didn't sit though the trial. I kind of think he might be guilty but like I said before that doesn't count. And he will get an appeal and maybe more will come out then.
I hope he is guilty so that Lacy's family will be justified and that he will get what he deserves if he is guilty. Or at least part of what he deserves. But I still feel sorry for his parents.
And as far as Robert Blake is concerned. I never really had many feelings about that one but if he really is innocent I feel for him spending that time in jail and ruining his life financially and otherwise.
But they didn't say he was innocent just not guilty. Not enough evidence and that is the way it is supposed to be. Scott Peterson probably wishes he had got that jury.
But the publicity surrounding the Peterson trial and the innocence of Lacy and unborn baby really put the pressure on that jury. Glad I wasn't on it.
hensylee
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Thanks for your thoughts, Missy. As to evidence: My sister's murderer confessed - twice. He also had her property on his person; he had my grandfather's antique pistol on him at the time of arrest. he had keys belonging to my sister and my brother. He had her briefcase (they found it partly burned) and her purse - plus various jewelry and other things. They put that black powder all over the house, so they have fingerprints, too, I guess. They haven't released any of the evidence that they have (not told us, I mean) because they still need it if he has to stand trial. At this point, we expect he will go before a judge and be sentenced - but a jury has been selected just in case. We will NOT attend, except when the family can speak at sentencing phase, because my brother wants to make his wishes known - as to time served or death penalty. I don't know what he will say. The man deserves no words from me - he is not worthy.
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geebee
Ann,
I am sorry that there are so many public things that must amplify the unbelievable pain you must have about your sister. I cannot even comprehend what you and your family are going through.
You are fortunate in that you know for sure who committed the crime. The reason I still feel for the families in the Pererson case is, despite Scott being found guilty, they still can't know FOR SURE. Even Lacy's family was convinced, early on, that Scott could not possibly have anything to do with her disappearance. I still believe Scott was tried in the media long before his trial and I do not, for one minute, believe the jurors could ignore all the hype when contemplating his fate.
I want people who commit crimes to pay for those crimes. Ultimately I believe God will take care of such people anyway so I try not to try and determine to what extent we, as a society, should punish. Obviously criminals belong away from the general public and they can regret their actions (if they even do) along with their own kind. I am merely hesitant to execute someone for a couple of reasons. One is I am not totally sure anyone but God has that right of punishment. Another is, unless someone confesses or is seen to commit the crime, there is always doubt. If doubt exists, I cannot justify such a final act.
I pray you find some comfort.
I am sorry that there are so many public things that must amplify the unbelievable pain you must have about your sister. I cannot even comprehend what you and your family are going through.
You are fortunate in that you know for sure who committed the crime. The reason I still feel for the families in the Pererson case is, despite Scott being found guilty, they still can't know FOR SURE. Even Lacy's family was convinced, early on, that Scott could not possibly have anything to do with her disappearance. I still believe Scott was tried in the media long before his trial and I do not, for one minute, believe the jurors could ignore all the hype when contemplating his fate.
I want people who commit crimes to pay for those crimes. Ultimately I believe God will take care of such people anyway so I try not to try and determine to what extent we, as a society, should punish. Obviously criminals belong away from the general public and they can regret their actions (if they even do) along with their own kind. I am merely hesitant to execute someone for a couple of reasons. One is I am not totally sure anyone but God has that right of punishment. Another is, unless someone confesses or is seen to commit the crime, there is always doubt. If doubt exists, I cannot justify such a final act.
I pray you find some comfort.
Hensylee,
I think that you are right in not giving him words. He is truly a murderer deserves what he is getting.
I think Gina said it well about you knowing for sure. You can certainly feel justified in what you feel. And there is no room for doubt.
I wish you and your family the best through this ordeal and know that God is with you. I truly believe that.
I think that you are right in not giving him words. He is truly a murderer deserves what he is getting.
I think Gina said it well about you knowing for sure. You can certainly feel justified in what you feel. And there is no room for doubt.
I wish you and your family the best through this ordeal and know that God is with you. I truly believe that.
