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xtremlee

I talked before about this my book says 4000mg a day. The american heart says lower than that Im not sure of the numbers. Some members have posted 2000-2500 mg a day. With all that said. I dont see how it would be possiable to stay around 2500mg a day. Unless you are growing your own vegies and raising your own chickens and slaughtering your own pigs and cows. I cant see it. Who has the time to cook fresh veggies and cook chicken and fish everyday? I have 2 kids 9 and 14 with all the ballgames and church there is no time to do all that. So that leaves you with pre cooked stuff from the grocery store loaded with salt. Dont even think about going out to eat that would put you over the weekly limit. It is usually after 8 when we get home most nights of the week Mon-Fri. I really need some input from someone that makes this work. (Yes I do sit at home most of the day but please dont ask me to cook) My wife gets home around 5-6 sometimes 7pm
 
Hi Lee-

I have to keep Joe so low sodium or he gets into terrible trouble with CHF. His goal is much, much lower than even the 2000mg. It's terribly hard to do, but I do it.

I either bake all of his bread w/o sodium or purchase any of the limited no sodium breads that the market offers. For items that utilize baking soda or baking powder, I purchase calcium carbonate based baking soda and powder online. This allows him to eat home baked muffins and things like that.

I purchase cooking sauces online that have no sodium. There are 9 different types and they really taste good. I purchase hot sauce online w/o sodium.

I make sure that any meat I buy has not had sodium added to make it "more tender", sometimes I have to ask the butcher, but you have to be extremely careful with market meat.

I make my own sausage w/o salt.

I buy no sodium cheddar cheese (Heluva Good), or Lorraine cheese, or fresh mozarella.

We like Italian food, so I make my sauce from scratch with no sodium tomatoes.

Salad dressing is home made.

Veggies are either fresh or frozen w/o sodium.

I make sure he gets some seafood every week to keep his thyroid functional. You do have to be careful with that as well--seafood-ocean-salt water, plus some of the frozen things have been packed with brine solution. So I soak frozen shrimp and scallops etc. in several changes of water. I make my own ketchup for cocktail sauce using no salt tomatoes and various spices. Horse radish can be purchased w/o sodium.

Joe used to dink a lot of milk, but that has 5-6 % sodium per glass. So he doesn't have milk now. His couple of indulgences are Half and Half for his coffee, and Breyer's ice cream (only the 1 % type), and he has an egg for breakfast (3 % per egg). For calcium, I make sure he gets no sodium cheese often.

He's quite used to it by now and no longer complains. I think that is because I have made a huge effort to make things taste good and have found substitutions for just about everything.

It would be impossible to do it with already cooked food or eating at fast food restaurants. We haven't been out to eat in a long time. But I have found a restaurant which will make the effort to cook a good meal w/o salt for Joe, so we'll try it sometime.
 
Lee,

It's hard, isn't it? I'm not on a restricted sodium diet, but have been trying to watch my sodium intake on the theory that excess sodium isn't helping.

So here's my new theory (Nancy mentioned soaking shrimp to remove salt): Why don't we try drinking about 5 gallons of pure water each day; we'll just pee all of the excess sodium away! :D

Ross - you're excused from the clinical trials of this new theory ;)
 
Wow I dont know how you do it. Maybe you can post that website for me.
 
Well that may work but I remember someone in the hospital saying that we shouldnt drink any more than 1 liter per day? I guess I could eat rice patties all day. :mad:
 
Today I had a bagle for bfast 380 mg then a sub for lunch 650mg thats 1030mg of sodium so I guess I get about a 1000 for supper but Im starving to death like that.
 
salt limits. YUCK

salt limits. YUCK

Hi.
For months, I bawled all during grocery shopping...I wasn't suppose to have salt added anything. IMPOSSIBLE. Every can , box, package, had loads of sodium....meaning that everything salt free, had to be made from scratch..
Not me...I'm a great cook, but time does not allow it, period. I feel for you, especially if your diet is restricted. Maybe you can try what the dietitian suggested to me...rinse everything that is possible to be rinsed...canned veggies mainly...get rid of that juice, or tomatoe sauce...it won't cure the problem...but may help at least some of the in-between times when you absolutely do not have time.
Take care. Lulabelle

PS...Nancy...Have you ever thought about marketing your "salt free" heart safe meals in frozen food form via orders taken in valvereplacement.com
definetly a market for them! hehe
 
Lee

Lee

Why are you so worried about your salt intake? I know Joe (Nancy's hubby) needs to really watch his..Do you have swollen ankles, ect...My doctor's have never mentioned salt intake to me..but I do try to watch it..Yes, there is no way..Your wife can prepare meals at night without some salt...With 2 teenagers.. Are you over-weight, ect.? After your first post, I started reading labels :eek: :eek: SALT in everything..But, I do try to drink LOTS of water..to pee a lot. :p :p And, boy, do I Pee. Hubby gets mad at me .. :D Before we leave the house, he says, Have you peed? :p Iced tea really makes me go..My urine is very clear as water....and my ankles are slim. :D :D Unless your b/p is really high..I cannot think of a reason you should be concerned about salt. Just go enjoy those ballgames and get on with life. :D Bonnie
 
Here is Mr. Spice no sodium sauces. I like them too. Joe's fav is Tangy Bang which is a tangy hot sauce. He puts it on all of his veggies, unless I have made a special sauce for them. There's even a garlic steak sauce so you won't miss A-1 sauce too much.

http://www.mrspice.com/index.html

Here's the Healthy Heart Market. You can get loads of things there. That's where I get the calcium carbonate baking powder and hot sauce (Tejas Tears, has a picture of a woman crying because it's made from Habanero peppers, LOL). We also have purchased the no sodium pickles, kosher dill, sweet chips and pimento slices. I get the flavored mustards too. The man who owns this site has CHF, so he knows what the problems are.

http://mgrsti5267r.seamlesstech.biz/default.asp

I posted a lot of recipes on the Recipe forum. But you have to look at the older posts. There is a setting that lets you do that. There are also many other excellent recipes. Harpoon has some terrific ones. He knows his way around the kitchen.
 
xtremlee said:
I dont see how it would be possiable to stay around 2500mg a day.

Lee, it's possible, but it seems you really have to have an iron will. This has proven to be the most challenging post-surgery thing I've had to deal with, including Coumadin. I find myself extremely conscious of sodium content, and I do manage to avoid most canned, prepared foods anymore. Still, with little kids around, it seems there are always processed lunchmeats around, or the occaisional can of soup -

Nancy seems to make it work with Joe, but I'm sure she puts a lot of effort and focus behind it...

My cardio is always telling jokes - he told me "it's difficult to keep people at 2000 mg sodium per day - in a free society."
 
Im just following drs orders. I was in CHF while I had the pericardeil infussion but that is gone now. My ankles are not swollen now but they was swollen then. I think Im just going to go by my little book the dr give me that says 4000mg a day. They reccomend that for everyone that had heart surgery. I am scared of building up extra fluid around my heart that PE was a mess. I did break down when I went to Wal Mart I got some chiken fingers and ate on the way home. Oh well I was starving to death. By the way that was my first WM trip in 2 months I now remember why I dont like going there. (crowded)
 
Nancy
You got to be kidding me. Those sauces are a dream come true. No more bone dry chicken for me.
Thanks.
 
Actually, getting below the 2,000mg a day mark is pretty easy....

First step, eat less (that's better for you anyways) Smaller portions get better used by your body, less excess stored as fat or whatever. There's some clinical research that suggests diets containing smaller portions lead to longer llifespans in laboratory animals. The same holds true "anecdotally" in humans...

Watch the percentages and the actually per mg counts.

The percentages are based on a 2,400mg of sodium per day diet in the US. If you eat three meals a day, each less than 33% of the daily allowance for sodium, you're under 2,400mg right there. You can do that with some frozen entress even. I look for stuff form WeightWatchers and other "diet oriented" brands and I'm VERY picky. I'll spend 20 minutes or more in front of the freezer isle looking over labels, with all the glass doors fogged over because I keep opening and closing them to inspect the back of the packages.

An article I found in a quick Google search on sodium from the FDA site:

http://www.cfsan.fda.gov/~dms/fdsodium.html


If you're going REAL low (like Joe) then obviously there's more work involved. According to the article the average American is between 4,000 and 6,000mg a day. Most people that are at that level have a salt shaker on the kitchen table and are refilling it at least once a month...

In our house, the only place you'll find a salt shaker is in the bathroom (warm saltwater rinse after dental work) and in the cupboard (those are empty.) You will find a potassium chloride shaker that I use on occassion for whenever I have eggs or a baked (or mashed) potato. I've got a doctor's permission to use the potassium substitute.


If you can drink lots of water, that will certainly clean out a lot of sodium, but it might do away with other nutrients you need. I've gotta keep an eye on potassium levels (because of the diuretics) and that's part of why I have the OK to use potassium chloride. I also have a big jug of Campbells low sodium tomato juice in the fridge and I'll have a glass of that almost every day.

Note: You can put some Mrs. Dash or McCormick no sodium seasoning blends in the juice and pop that in the microwave for a bit, instant tomato soup!

Keep a journal. I did that when I started out after getting home from the hospital I logged everything that had sodium and totalled it up for each meal. I was religious with it when I made a sandwich... Spread stuff like mayo or mustard (there are no sodium mustards out there) thin. Watch how much an actual serving is, you might only use half that amount on a slice of bread.

A slice of whole wheat generally has half the sodium white does, depdning on the brand. Lorraine cheese is really good and low in sodium (about 3%) Swiss too.

It takes a lot of homework and careful study in the grocery store, but it's certainly not that hard....

There's a lot of good material in the recipe section here.
 
Salt craving???

Salt craving???

John & I stopped at a grocery yesterday afternoon. Got some veggies & fruit. Had to tear myself away from the snack food aisles -- a bag of Cape Cod Sea Salt & Vinegar chips was trying to seduce me.... I think it's the sea salt I was craving.

Sometimes I have this craving for salt. Has anyone else ever experienced this?
 
It happens... On rare occassions it might actually because your body needs it/doesn't have enough but that's real rare. <ore likely you're just craving the taste...


Sea salt is still sodium.


Lays makes some low fat chips using sea salts. I just had a bag in the house for a while and I was "very good" with them, only having maybe two or three chips at a time. Made the bag last over a week which is hard to do with a 4 year old around... =Þ


Nancy:

Can you get Heluva Good low sodium cheese???? My understanding is that they stopped making it (so said the company) but that they might bring the line back (they said it in an email response I got when I queried them on it)


I haven't found ANY low sodium cheeses beyond the kinds that are naturally lower in sodium (ie swiss) than other cheeses.
 
Nancy comes to the rescue!

Nancy comes to the rescue!

Nancy,

What a fount of useful information you are! Thank you so much for the links to Mr. Spice and the Healthy Heart Market. Even though I'm not on a salt-restricted diet, I have been trying very hard to watch my intake of salt and saturated fats. The products these places offer will be very helpful- :)

I'm so glad you're a regular here at VR. You really should start up a consulting business ;)
 
Harp -- I haven't found much decent cheese that is truly low sodium, and believe me, I have tried. I love cheese and all the BEST cheeses (i.e. the ones I like -- Gorgonzola and other blue cheeses, Bel Paese, Pecorino Toscano, etc.) are pretty salty. Parmigiano Reggiano, Asiago, and the other grating cheeses also tend to be high in sodium. One exception is fresh (not aged) mozzarella. It is low in sodium. You can use it in cooked dishes like lasagne. It is really good in Insalata Calabrese -- fresh mozarella, sliced tomatoes, fresh basil, olive oil, and vinegar. I often have this for lunch. Only takes a few minutes to prepare and is very satisfying.
 
Harpoon-

Re: Heluva Good no sodium cheddar. They did take it off the market and were supposed to reintroduce it in January. I kept looking for it and was so disappointed when I couldn't find it. But just this week, my market is stocking it. So I guess they've brought it back. Ask your market about it.

Here's the website, if you want to order direct:

http://store.yahoo.com/heluva/lowsoch.html

People, buy this cheese. It's good and we want them to think it's worthwhile to keep producing it.

The other cheese which I can get here because we have a cheese manufacturer right here is fresh mozarella. The one I can get here has no sodium. And it's good. So you might want to look for that as well. I have noticed that some of the brand name fresh mozarella has sodium. So I guess you'll have to be careful. You could call your local Italian import stores and ask if they carry the no sodium fresh mozarella.

Breakstone makes a no sodium sour cream.

There is a plain Mascarpone Cheese which has only 1 percent sodium. I use that to substitute for Cream Cheese. The Tiramisu flavor has no sodium, as a spread.

Lorraine Cheese has 1 percent sodium per slice, but it's one of the "stinky cheeses". Tastes good, but you know when you've opened the package.
 
Oh, by the way. For those of you who love ham (we don't particularly) and are sodium restricted, you can make your own low sodium "ham".

Get smoke flavoring, the one w/o any sodium. Mix that up with some water depending on how smoky you want your "ham" to be, then add a little maple syrup for maple flavored smoked ham. Buy some boneless pork chops (the ones w/o sodium) and slice them horizontally in half. Then soak these slices overnight in the refirgerator. Cook 'em up and use as you like. Good for breakfast, or for dinner with some nice German potato salad.
 
Nancy -- thanks for mentioning Mascarpone. I forgot to mention it. Love, love, love Mascarpone.The one I get has NO sodium. I eat it on banana bread for breakfast. (You can make quite decent banana bread without salt.) Had not heard of tiramisu flavor Mascarpone. Sounds delish. Will look for it.

I am not in Joe's situation needing low low low sodium & actually I have never had fluid retention/edema issues or been on lasix despite the CHF diagnosis in November (it's unclear whether I have CHF now since the valve surgery). However -- I continue to monitor my sodium intake because I don't want to have fluid retention issues in the future either! It's a matter of habit. Once you get used to less sodium it is not that hard -- as a matter of fact I think most things taste better when they are not over salted. Quite often when I go out to restaurants now I find the food just tastes TOO salty.

Lots of fresh vegetables and fruits right now! I have been eating lots of broccoli -- just steamed so it is still bright green. My husband puts mayo on it, but I eat it just plain, with lemon juice & it tastes wonderful. ( My three months on coumadin were up Monday, so I can eat all I want w/o worrying about vitamin K, hurray!)

And it is cherry season in CA now. Bought a pound of Bings yesterday. Oh they are so good!!!!
 
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