risk of stroke after st jude aortic valve replacement and aortic root replacement

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caterb85

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after being diagnosed with a acending arota anuerysm, my husband had his valve replaced with a st jude aortic valve and root . He then had trouble with his electrical system in his heart working properly, so they had to put a pacemaker in 4 days later. The next day he developed a-fib and had to start meds for that, 4 weeks post op and taking warfin and adarodone for a-fib. My question is what are the percentages for developing blood clots or bleeding trouble?:confused:
 
Welcome to our family.

I do not know the actual statistics and do not really like stats all that much but, with a properly managed INR (measures the coumadin levels) the risk is very low. The problems happen when the INR is too low (clotting potential) or too high (bleeding potential). We who have been on coumadin for a long time would rather have our INR too high than too low so we usually stay in the upper part of our individual ranges. My range is 3.0-4.0 because I have a mechanical mitral valve and chronic a-fib. I usally run around 3.8 and I never worry unless my INR gets above 5.0.
 
I've had the same surgery but without the complications of a pacemaker and a-fib.

I was told by someone (i can't remember who exactly but i think it was one of the surgeons i spoke to or the cardiologist) that blood clots with the aortic valve are rare.....the phrase used was that it was "like trying to stick toilet paper to the side of a flushing toilet"

Obviously everyone is different but as long as you manage your INR i'd say the risk would be minimal.

as far as actual statistics i don't have any figures but the phrase i return to is that in this world there are lies, dam lies, and statistics....if you are looking to find statistics to show that you will clot or bleed to death then you will find them, if you are looking to find statistics to say you won't then you will find those also.....
 
My husband had two mechanicals and also had chronic afib for years. He couldn't take many of the heavy anti-arrhythmic such as amiodarone, and was never electrically converted, so he was just monitored carefully with digoxin as the only control. He was, of course, on Coumadin anyway for his mechanicals. He also had a pacemaker. There were times when his afib resolved on its own, and other times when it appeared again.

When he passed away, his heart was in normal sinus rhythm, and he died of other things. So it is possible to live a long time with afib as long as it is being monitored carefully.
 
Take the Warfarin and the risk is low. I have a St. Jude's mitral, so my risk is a little higher, but I have been assured that keeping my INR in range makes the risk extremely low. If it makes you feel better, my brother has a mechanical aortic valve, was off Warfarin for a long time (more than 5 years?) before he had a stroke, which was very mild in the grand scheme of things. He has learned his lesson and is back on Warfarin, although I'm not sure that he is consistent with anything except in his death wish.
 
caterb85 said:
after being diagnosed with a acending arota anuerysm, my husband had his valve replaced with a st jude aortic valve and root . He then had trouble with his electrical system in his heart working properly, so they had to put a pacemaker in 4 days later. The next day he developed a-fib and had to start meds for that, 4 weeks post op and taking warfin and adarodone for a-fib. My question is what are the percentages for developing blood clots or bleeding trouble?:confused:

Welcome to our World! MANY patients live with the same issues your husband has incurred. The KEY to successful management is Education and Training.

The Risk of Stroke from clotting rises when INR is Below 2.0
The Risk of Bleeding rises when INR is Above 5.0
(Note that MANY of our members have reported NO bleeding at 5.0 and some even at 8.0 for short periods)

The Biggest Risk of Stroke with Mechanical Valves comes when it is necessary to come OFF Coumadin for invasive procedures. Risks can be minimized by the use of Short Acting Anti-Coagulants before and after the procedure. These include Lovenox Injections based on Body Weight and a Heparin Drip which is almost always administered in a Hospital setting.

Old School thinking had people come OFF Coumadin for many minor procedures. Modern thinking has re-evaluated the Bleeding Risk vs. Stroke Risk and recommendations for Dental Procedures and Minor Surgery (Foot Care and even cysts) are to perform the surgery while anti-coagulated, taking extra care to control bleeding locally). One of our Favorite Sayings is:
"It is easier to replace Blood Cells than to replace Brain Cells!" :)

You can learn all you need to know from AL Lodwick's informative website www.warfarinfo.com AL is a Certified Anticoagulation Care Provider, Author, and Consultant who runs his own Coumadin Clinic in Pueblo, CO.

The BEST control of INR is frequent SELF Monitoring with a Home Test Instrument. Dedicated Coumadin Clinics with trained Nurses who monitor 'as needed' (typically monthly but more often if INR is changing for any reason) are a close second. Quality of Coumadin Care varies WIDELY with individual physician / nurse providers, many of whom seem to be operating under outdated guidelines or have limited experience due to treating only a small number of patients.

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Regarding A-Fib

Atrial Fibrilation is a fairly common Post Surgery event that often resolves itself after a few months (sometimes weeks).

Some Doctors like to prescribe Amiodarone 'because it works'. Amiodarone is the SLEDGE HAMMER of Anti-arrhythmics with a Laundry List of ADVERSE Side Effects (especially affecting the Eyes and Lungs) and requires CLOSE MONITORING to prevent permanent damage. (See the Package Information Sheet or do a SEARCH on VR.com to find considerable discussion of this medication).
Also note that Amiodarone has a Very LONG Half Life which means that it takes MANY MONTHS to fully leave the body after it is discontinued. On the positive side, it works to stop A-Fib and seems to be safe when used appropriately (i.e. controlled doses for a limited period of time.) Problems have occurred when patients were NOT told to discontinue it after it was no longer needed or signs of damage were not seen or heeded.

When I developed (mild) A-Fib, my Cardiologist put me on SOTALOL (the Generic Form of BetaPace) which has worked quite well at a very low dose. I was told that Sotalol is a Beta Blocker that "targets" A-Fib. It is usually recommended that patients be hospitalized for a few days when first starting this medications 'just in case' dangerous arrhythmias are triggered before the body fully adjusts to the medication. Not all Doctors do this.

Bottom Line: With proper monitoring it is possible to live a LONG and HEALTHY Life with these conditions.

'AL Capshaw'
 
Lisa in Katy said:
my brother has a mechanical aortic valve, was off Warfarin for a long time (more than 5 years?) before he had a stroke, which was very mild in the grand scheme of things.

Thats really interesting, i'd heard stories about people in under developed countries going for long times without warfarin but really thought of it as perhaps a little bit of urban legend......hearing a real account is really interesting....although i'm sorry your brother had a stroke 5 years without warfarin is really a hell of a long time to go without it before having any issues...

Thanks for sharing.
 
My brother has been known to be stupid in many things. He was very lucky.
 
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