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Debbrn

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At this point my PVR is going to be the third week in may. I want to make sure all of the snow is gone from Boston before I have surgery. There is not a huge hurry for surgery.

I felt pretty lousy most of the time until I tried sleeping in the recliner I few months ago. I have more energy and stamina now. I also have moderate restrictive lung disease (TLC 58%) from scoliosis, a left thoracotomy and midsternotomy. Since I have severe left pulmonary stenosis, 85% of my blood also goes to my right lung. Therefore, I don't know if I feel better in the recliner because of my lungs, heart, or both.

I find the decision to do surgery very nerve racking. The timing of PVR in TOF patients is very controversial. PVR has not proven to lengthen life expectency, but it may increase quality. Since I have already had 3 surgeries, it obviously will not be risk free. It will also start the count down for the next intervention since tissue valves do not last a lifetime. Having a PVR in the cath lab is not a possibility for this time because I do not have a conduit in my pulmonary valve and they also want to repair the tricuspid valve. Hopefully the next time can be in the cath lab. The current valve has lasted 19 years.

Here is the problem. I see a pediatric cardiologist locally because there is not an adult cardiologist trained in treating adult TOF where I live. About 2 1/2 years ago I decided to go for another opinion in Boston. I have been seeing both ever since. I don't think that my local cardio sees any reason for me to go to Boston. When I went to Boston last August the cardio told me that it was time in the next year for surgery. She also to my case to the surgery review board. They all agreed that it was time. The reason that she cited for going ahead with surgery was that along with already moderate pulmonary valve regurg and an enlarged right ventricle, my triscuspid valve is now leaking worse by echo. They did not do an MRI on this visit. My exercise tolerance has been stable over the past 2 1/2 years. (VO2 of 17.5-18.1 on bicycle). When I saw my local cardio last week, he had not gotten the reports from Boston. He said the decision was not up to him, but up to me. He did not think the tricuspid valve regurg had gotten that much worse. But, he was comparing this years actual echo to last years notes that he took on last years echo. I thought that was strange. When I asked him about the size of the right ventricle compared to last years, it was minimally increased in size by echo. He said that "we could do an MRI, but we already know that your right ventricle is 3 times the size as normal". Since he previously told me that it is hard to evaluate my right ventricle by echo, and the that size of the right ventricle is one of the most important determinants of timing of the PVR, don't you think an MRI would be helpful. IMHO, he showed me why I go to Boston when he made that comment. They are already planning to do an MRI when I go up there.

I'm nervous because I have not met the surgeon yet and because the MRI has not been done yet. Echos have proven not to be the most reliable test for me. My sister that is coming to be with me is a surgeon and is going to have to close her practice for 2 weeks to be with me. I just don't know that going up there early to have the MRI and meet the surgeon is going to be that helpful. It will cost more money and I will loose more days as work. I just don't know if it is worth it.

I think I just had to vent to folks that could understand.

Debbie
 
Hi I know how frustrating this all is..believe me. Justin has TGA not TOF, but as you probably rememeber he has a repair, close to a TOF repair since he could not have a switch due to his PS, so has a pulm valve/condiut.
Justin has had a few conduit revisions, replacements and honestly FOR HIM, neither the echo or MRI really gives a good picture of what is going on and he usually needs a cath to reallly see what is going on with his right side. They are always good for showing his right ventricle is big, pressure is high, but can't really show why/where the stnosis is. He only had a MRI before one of his surgeries (in 07) and that was set up as a routine baseline test, before there was any thoughts at all of needing surgery (since he just had it in 05) what determines when HE needs his conduit/valve replaced is his gradient.
That is the number we keep a close eye on.
BUT iF you would find it at all helpful, if you email me I can forward you the copy of his MRI, I know his right ventricle is very large, it was over 300 before that surgery, but it is always large. The other thing is he does tend to have problems with his tricuspid valve when his PS is bad, because the pressure is so high in his right ventricle the blood backs up thru his tricuspid.
IF it helps you at all with your thoughts anytime Justin has either a new conduit or valve or even stents to open his conduit, he feels and even looks so much better. Even when he didn't realize he had a problem and did great on excercise tests and playing soccer the differnce after intervention was amzing. When he was younger, he even would have a growth spurt when he energy was going into other things beside trying to get blood out of his right ventricle. Other parents and his teachers would even comment to me they didn't realize how pale and tired he looked until all of a sudden he had great color. Hopefully you will feel better and have more energy that you have had for years.
The other small consolation is tissue valves do tend to last much longer on the right side since the pressure is so much lower. I just wish everything was more cut and dry for you with clear cut answers, instead of causing you even more stress and worry. You know you're always in my prayers with the other "heart kids" :)
 
Ps I meant to add how lucky it is your sister is a surgeon (did growing up with you have any thing to do with her wanting to help others and be a doctor) and she is taking the time to go with you.
Would you be going up a couple days earlier for the MRI and to meet your surgeon or a seperate trip before hand? I think avoiding the snow is a GREAT thought, that is the last thing you want to deal with snowed in cities and airports
 
Debbrn, I think you have to go with the opinion of the Dr's in Boston vs. your local cardio. My situation was kind of similar, I had always been told that my heart was fine, my Ebstein's was mild and not a problem by my local cardio. I didn't even know about ACHD Dr's. two years ago. It wasn't until I walked into my local Dr's office for my 2 year visit when he said he thought it was time I considered surgery that I learned about the whole world of ACHD clinics and Dr.s I then went to the Mayo clinic, had a MRI, exercise stress test (both of which my local Dr. had NEVER done) when they told me that I actually had the most anatomically severe form of my congenital problem. They presented my case as well, and the overwhelming recommendation was surgery. I felt so confused. How could I have always been told that it was mild and now I'm finding out that wasn't the case? It just points to the importance of adults who have congenital heart disease seeing a cardio who specializes in patients like us b/c regular cardio's just don't understand all the issues with people like us.

I also talked to the people in Boston. I'm assuming you are seeing Dr. Valente...is your surgeon going to be Del Nido? If so, I think you are in great hands. I spoke to both of them several times on the phone and traded e-mails with them. At that point, I was so far down the road with the Mayo, that I didn't want to switch, but, I wouldn't hesitate to have my surgery there. As far as going early for the MRI, I know it gives the surgeon a more complete view of what he is getting into before surgery, so I would think it is worth going early for that. What are you talking about in the grand scheme of things, an additional couple of days?

I really wish you the best. You'll be fine. How lucky for you that you will have such a great advocate at your bedside. Please keep us posted.


Kim
 
Thank you for the replies.

The plan is for me to go up on sunday, have the MRI, PFTs, lung perfusion scan, 3D echo, and meet the surgeon on monday and tuesday. Surgery will be either wednesday or thursday. Since by the time I fly up on sunday I will have had to make the decision to go through the surgery, I thought about possibly flying up a couple weeks early for a few days to have the tests and meet the surgeon and then fly home for a couple of weeks. I just seem to have to make the decision without having all the information. I have had so many docs not know what they need to know to take care of me, it is hard just to trust without knowing them. I know that Boston is ranked very high in the congenital cardiology world, but it is still hard.

BTW, I did not feel any better after my last surgery. I don't think that my RV decreased much in size after my last PVR. My RV diastolic volume by MRI was 235 ml with an EF of 38%.

I don't think me being a heart kid had anything to do with my sister deciding to be a surgeon. But, it had everything to do with my decision to become a nurse. The nurses I had as a child sold be on nursing. They were wonderful.

Debbie
 
Thank you for the replies.

The plan is for me to go up on sunday, have the MRI, PFTs, lung perfusion scan, 3D echo, and meet the surgeon on monday and tuesday. Surgery will be either wednesday or thursday. Since by the time I fly up on sunday I will have had to make the decision to go through the surgery, I thought about possibly flying up a couple weeks early for a few days to have the tests and meet the surgeon and then fly home for a couple of weeks. I just seem to have to make the decision without having all the information. I have had so many docs not know what they need to know to take care of me, it is hard just to trust without knowing them. I know that Boston is ranked very high in the congenital cardiology world, but it is still hard.

BTW, I did not feel any better after my last surgery. I don't think that my RV decreased much in size after my last PVR. My RV diastolic volume by MRI was 235 ml with an EF of 38%.

I don't think me being a heart kid had anything to do with my sister deciding to be a surgeon. But, it had everything to do with my decision to become a nurse. The nurses I had as a child sold be on nursing. They were wonderful.

Debbie

What do you think would make YOU feel more at peace with everything? To me, it kind of sounds like you would feel better/not rushed into anything without really being able to take the time and think everything thru, especially when you are
making such an important decision,. Maybe you should go up seperately have the testing and talk to the surgeon, then go home really think about everything, talk with your sister ect then make the decision you don't feel rushed into and will feel a little more at peace. Especially since this isn't an urgent surgery, that time is of the essence.

I'm sorry you didn't feel better after your last surgery. was your left pulm stenosis as bad then? Do they plan on doing anything to help that when you have your next surgery?

i think after Justin last surgery his right ventricle went from 300 something to lower 200, which is still large but much better for him. I'd have to check the MRIs to get the exact number.
 
Lyn,

They have already done 2 pulmonary angioplasties with stent placement. Technically I no longer have pulmonary artery stenosis, but most the blood is still going to the right pulmonary artery. Because the right pulmonary artery is so dilated, and the left lung has decrease vasculature and decrease volume there is not much else they can do.

I don't think that having the extra numbers from the MRI and meeting the doctor will fix my concerns. I just have to learn to trust. Not easy for me.
The science just isn't there yet to know the exact time. I think that I am just having the normal feelings. "Do I really have to go through this again."

One thing about having surgery in the spring is it is making me fix up the house. I cleaned out a very badly blocked down spout on my house today. What made is so hard was that it is connected to an underground pipe. I had to take everything apart. I sure hope that the other down spouts are not as clogged. It has taught me the hard way to keep my cutters and down spouts cleaned out better. I have a long list I need to accomplish before surgery. It is keeping me busy.

Debbie
 
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