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JimL

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I drove through the snow this morning to get my INR checked, 1.7, which is unusually low for me.

The cause, I know, is NOT guilt by association. I met with Rich and Tony this past Wednesday for lunch, great guys, we hope for a larger Michigan gathering when the weather warms up in six months or so. Rich mentioned that his INR has been low, but that seems pretty clearly connected to extra activity.

I am wondering about a factor in the testing routine that could affect the INR, specifically the time between the drop of blood forming on my finger and dropping onto the test strip. Do I understand correctly that the blood begins clotting as soon as it is exposed to the air? Do I understand correctly that the test strip measures the time between when the blood hits the strip and it clots? Do I understand correctly that if the blood has started to clot before it hits the strip, the INR will be low?

Blood does not normally gush from my finger, especially after a cold and white-knuckled drive through the snow, and sometimes it takes a while to gather a large enough drop for the test. Today the nurse had a good sized drop formed, and then got up to catch another patient who was lost (the clinic I go to recently moved). Then she came back and applied the drop to the strip; thus it seemed to me that there was a longer than usual delay.

The practical question, of course, is how much should I increase my dosage over the holidays; I normally increase or decrease by less than 10%. I know no one can tell me a number, but perhaps someone like Al knows if a delay between forming the drop of blood and applying it to the strip can affect the INR.
 
You mean that the clinic took your blood, got a LOW reading and did NOT give you instructions to change your dose? WEIRD.

Personally, I would have wiped the drop off and gotten a fresh sample since there was such a long delay. Or, after the fact, asked for another test. It's still not too late to ask for another test, but of course that entails another trip. I would ask for one 'on the house'. Who knows, they may actually give you one. :)

'AL'
 
Thanks, Al. You read my mind as I was walking across the parking lot to my car after the test. But I decided not to go back for a second test. Maybe I should have.

The nurse and I have a very good relationship. After the test, I suggest what I will change to, and her facial expression tells me that I'm right on, or I should go higher, or lower. This time we just left it that I would increase the dosage, probably from 42 to 43 per week, or maybe a little more.
 
Hi Jim

What great questions you posed.....I'm sure Al will get back to you shortly. I do know that on the Protime you have a window of time to get your blood---my gut would be as long as you fill the tenderlett cup before that time is up, you're fine. Another thing, I do know if you squeeze your fingers too hard to try to get the blood out it can cause a less-than-accurate reading because you get tissue fluids also. You can also have an incorrect reading if your finger is not dried properly or has alcohol on it.

I can tell you that I would rather Tyce have a bit higher inr than lower....learned that from the Guru Mr. Al. Tyce has been testing the last few weeks around 1.7 , 1.8, 1.9....We bumped him up 10% each week and he's finally in range today. We tested this morning and he was 2.6 and 2.7 on our and ITC's Protime and 3.1 and 3.3 on the cardio's .......HOORAY!!! NORMAL FOR THE WEEK BEFORE CHRISTMAS....WHO KNOWS WHAT WILL HAPPEN NOW!

Do you test weekly when you're out of range? I certainly would advocate that, and I know we do.

Will be looking forward to Al's answer.

Evelyn
 
It's the cold weather!!!!

It's the cold weather!!!!

Hi Jim,

Sorry the INR has the best of you...and others it appears at the moment.

You brought up some very intelligent points. Few I have never though of. Can't wait for a comment from Al.

My INR has been running a bit low. 2.6. -2.8 for a mitral. Prefer it above 3.0. Usually the cold weather keeps me climbing. This winter I am running in reverse. After two weeks of a 2.6 on the head. Decided to go the 10% and retest in one week. Well, 4.2. Too much. Then I did my regular 6-1/2 M-F and added 2 extra MG's for the week. Up to 2.8. Now I am going to try 6-1/2 x 5 and 7 x 2 to see where that will take me. Losing battle at this point with the holidays. Plan on having a few glasses of Merlot....so maybe it will all be a wash.

On the upswing, have lost 4lbs. 7.5 total inches and decreased my body fat!

INR sagga continues. Will test again next Friday and see where I stand. Feeling real good and kind of addicted to my exercise. INR will come in time I figure. Really doing ourselves a major service staying active and fit!

Take care and all the best!
 
Jim,

I think that you a got an artificially low reading when the nurse got up and left the drop of blood hanging. You're correct about what happens when you do the test.

ANY alcohol left on the finger will cause an INR above the capacity of the testers to measure it.

I would probably give a booster dose (double dose for one day) and then go back to what had been working. This is the "just in case" method. It covers almost every just in case.

It was 70 degrees in eastern Colorado today. Went for a walk wearing a short sleeved shirt.

Gina,

Congratulations on the weight loss. Hard to do this time of year!!
 
Al, thanks very much for the response. I have increased my dose slightly, which hopefully will keep me on the high side through the wedding later this week and on to my next test on the second of the new year.
 
Jim,

I hope your family has a wonderful time at the wedding. It's such a nice family event for over the holidays. Are you officiating?

Say hi to Shirley for me and I hope your INR straightens out!
Merry Christmas!
 
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