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http://www.cbsnews.com/stories/2005/05/24/health/main697514_page2.shtml


Heart Device Maker Mum On Flaw


New York, May 24, 2005


"Whoever made this decision at Guidant, I pray he doesn't have a son who this happens to." Lee Oukrop


(AP) The maker of an internal heart defibrillator admits it waited three years before telling some 24,000 patients and their doctors about an electrical problem that caused a small fraction of the implanted devices to short-circuit.

The admission by Indianapolis-based Guidant Corp., reported Tuesday by The New York Times, came about after a Minnesota college student died on a spring-break bicycling trip in March.

The death of 21-year-old Joshua Oukrop of Grand Rapids, who had a genetic heart disease, is the only one known.

Guidant disclosed the flaw in its Ventak Prizm 2 Model 1861 to Oukrop's doctors and told them about 25 other cases in which the defibrillator had malfunctioned. It did not, however, issue an alert to physicians until it learned the newspaper was preparing a story on the defibrillator.

The company is recommending that the unit not be replaced.

Guidant had not seen a compelling reason to issue an alert to physicians because the malfunction rate was low and replacing the devices might pose greater patient risks, Dr. Joseph M. Smith, a Guidant executive, We choose to extraordinarily communicate when we have a product that does not live up to our expectations," Smith said, adding issues that could improve patient outcomes would also warrant an alert to doctors.

"In this case, neither condition was met," he said.

Oukrop's father, Lee Oukrop, who has the same genetic heart disease, had the same defibrillator until last week, when he underwent a replacement procedure.

"Whoever made this decision at Guidant, I pray he doesn't have a son who this happens to," Lee Oukrop said.

Electrical malfunctions involving Ventak Prizm 2 Model 1861 occurred in units produced during a two-year period before mid-2002, when the company fixed the flaw. The problem has not happened in any devices made since.

In February, Medtronic Inc., based in Fridley, Minn., told doctors that the battery used in one of its defibrillators was draining too fast. No deaths or injuries have been associated with the Medtronic model.

Implanted defibrillators, such as the one Vice President Dick Cheney has, shock the heart back into a normal rhythm when it starts beating irregularly.

Guidant is one of the largest makers of medical devices, with $3.8 billion in sales last year, almost half coming from implantable defibrillators.
 
Yaps, I have this Guidant ICD - Model 1861 - Yes, I had it implanted in June of 2001 and I called the company last night and they verified my serial number is one that is within the possible malfunctioned manufacturing time. Can you believe they knew about this for 3 years ago and neglected to tell the doctors or patients. I spoke to a woman from Guidant and she said - they will not replace. Its to dangerous. Well, what about my running road races with a malfunctioned ICD !!! Like its not dangerous having an ICD that doesn't work when you need it !!! Oh come on - I told her I don't think I'll ever let them put another Guidant ICD in me again. NO, I think I'll go with Medtronic ICD's - as they tend to stand behind their products and if there's a malfunction they are more than happy to admit and replace it........

I'm so angry - this is just ridiculous - that a company can play a game with our lives.. and they are not accountable to anyone. I'm sure they don't want to replace them as they don't want to see their stocks go down - and upset their shareholders.. I hope someone makes them accountable for their product.

There are 24,000 of them still on the market. Thank god my battery is wearing down and my EP had already told me that I probably will need a new one within a year.. I don't feel safe running in my road races knowing this. I just did a 10k on Sunday and hoped to do a 5k on this Sunday. I don't know what I should do..

Oh well, thanks for letting me VENT.. I think my Blood Pressure is RISING !!!

Marilyn (runner)
 
Defibrilator/pacemaker

Defibrilator/pacemaker

Hi Yaps, I forgot to mention - for some who may not know - its an ICD - "Inplantable Cardioverter Defibrilator" - which is a "dual chamber" ICD and it serves as a pacemaker as well as a Defibrilator. It serves as TWO devices in ONE.. Its the Defibrilator part that is malfunctioning and not working - I believe they are saying the pacemaker part is alright.. !!!
 
Marilyn,
I am so sorry to hear that you have one of the defective devices. I can't believe they didn't give you a better response than the one you received.
Have you contacted your surgeon's office?
Mary
 
I am truly sorry to see anyone have these. I wonder at times, what are some thinking?? What if whoever made this decision, what if their child had one??
Have we become so bottom line oriented? Depsite what they give the media.. its the bottomline. Sometimes I feel so much shame on us... :eek:
 
Yes, I did contact my surgeon. He thinks I am one of the ones who received this device. I have the same model and it was inplanted June 2001. My surgeon will get the official list of patients on Thursday - but I have a Guidante ICD card and a serial number on it - so I called them last night - and they confirmed I have the model that they are talking about.. :(

Thank god my battery is getting low - and my EP has suggested that he thought it might go within the next year. But my EP requested last month for me to have a CRT Study next Tuesday and I may need a biventricular device over a defibrilatorpacemaker - so depending on how my ventricles are beating - weather in sync or not will depend if I need the CRT device. Which means I could 'replace' this device sooner. I definently do not want Guidant. I'm not happy with their tactics. The device itself has otherwise worked well - and I 'was' very confident - confident enough to run many road races with it.. I just did a 10k last Sunday and had a 5k planned for this Sunday. I don't know if I should continue with this lifestyle with this device. I know the odds are in my favor that I didn't get a bad one - but it only takes one malfunction - and I'm dead... There's no chance for survival when you have Sudden Cardiac Death.. I think it stinks and I'm very upset that the company is expecting patients to just sit by and wait for their battery to go dead and buy another one of their products.. I don't think so - Medtronic has malfunctions as well with their devices - but at least when they find an error - they take responsibility and don't expect patients to risk their lives. I hope the FDA makes them be responsible and make them "replace" this device..

I keep trying to find more news on this. I'm sure my EP doc will get back to me this week and he may think I should proceed sooner for another ICD... The pacemaker portion which I am 100% paced is suppose to work fine. But who knows whether that's really true - I don't know that they're not hiding information there as well. I stayed home today from work - I have one of the migraine headaches.. I can't imagine 'why'. What has this world come tooo......... such a mess and so money hungry - I mean they made alot of money on my device - it was quite expensive - it cost almost as much as open heart surgery !!! I wish I didn't have to deal with any of this.. Most of all I wish I could just 'move' on and forget I ever saw the article. Life is just to short and knowing companies behave like this - makes me feel very sick and the thoughts of even inplanting another device is disgusting.. I thought my ICD was such a good product.. before I read that article - I feel so stupid..

Marilyn (runner)
 
Yaps said:
http://www.cbsnews.com/stories/2005/05/24/health/main697514_page2.shtml


Heart Device Maker Mum On Flaw


New York, May 24, 2005


"Whoever made this decision at Guidant, I pray he doesn't have a son who this happens to." Lee Oukrop
...
In February, Medtronic Inc., based in Fridley, Minn., told doctors that the battery used in one of its defibrillators was draining too fast. No deaths or injuries have been associated with the Medtronic model.

*raises eyebrow*

Oh, really? I wonder what models this is, as the battery in my pacemaker seems to be draining quicker than usual and, thus far, my cardiologist believes it is because of scar tissue around the leads.... Hmm....

And, Marilyn, sorry about your frustrations :(.


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Oh By The Way!!!

Oh By The Way!!!

What an attitude for a company to take. I've got a St Jude's single lead AICD and everything is good so far. Medtronic ICD's (certain model and serial numbers) were recently recalled by the company for replacement. Seems the battery was running down too soon. Now some on the ICD sites I visit are worried that their insurance will not cover full replacement costs.

I can't (YES I CAN) believe a company would take such a cavalier attitude on replacement. How dangerous is it that the ICD might not work when you need it the most? I can smell the lawyers lining up already.

May God Bless,

Danny
 
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