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JohnCalderwood

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I was doing a random search on the internet today about what a on-x valve looks like(I have seen one but wanted to have another look). Anyway one of the links I end up clicking on directs me to a post on this forum on February 10 2005. The post was by Randy and Robyn and it was sharing the one year results made by onx about there valve and aspirin only. Obviously that trial did not work as they would have liked because here in 2010 we are doing a similar trial using aspirin and plavix. I am sure there are other trials as well. Can any of you older timers update me on what may have happened to this trial? Thank you,

John.
 
From what I understand, and I may be wrong, preliminary results are due this year some time and another 5 years are left in the official study.

Great thank you. I hope you are right. If those results were looking positive why would there be a need for a trial adding plavix? Are Randy and Robyn still around here because they posted some results on February 10 2005? Hope everything goes well for you on the 13th. That was suppose to be my surgery date but got moved up to March 30. If anyone know anything more about that aspirin trial please chime in. Thank you. John.
 
I sent a copy of your original post to my contact at On-X and received an informative reply.
FYI, ANYONE can contact On-X with questions or requests for information. ( 888 339 8000)
Their websites are www.heartvalvechoice.com and www.onxvalves.com

Before I post a copy of that information, I want to get an approval from Hank and/or Ross.

'AL Capshaw'
 
Excellent post Al.I really enjoyed reading the material presented. I am going to write them requesting to be sent any statistics about any of their past and or ongoing clinical trials pertaining to studies and results about the on-x valve using low dose or no dose anticoagulation. I will post any information forwarded to me.
 
Response from On-X

Response from On-X

Attention: On-X Life Technologies, Inc., (On-X LTI) is a manufacturer of mechanical heart valves and provider of cardiovascular surgical products. Employees of On-X LTI that you may interact with cannot and will not give medical advice. Medical advice must be obtained from a licensed physician. Information about valves may be obtained from employees of On-X LTI. This information may include but is not limited to valve design features, benefits of valve design, clinical and hemodynamic statistics, study information, surgeon information and other related details. Information provided by On-X LTI employees may be based on scientific studies of population groups; however, the results experienced by individuals or groups of individuals in such studies may not be the same for you. Information supplied by On-X LTI employees is not meant to be a substitute for the individualized medical judgment by and recommendations of your physician. For individualized advice you should always consult your physician. If you have had an implanted On-X LTI device, the employees of On-X LTI collect, keep, and use personnel information to register and track patients with such devices in accordance with the Federal Food, Drug and Cosmetic Act. On-X LTI will comply with the prevailing laws and regulations, including the Health Insurance Portability and Accountability Act (HIPAA), governing the confidentiality and security of your information.


Just a reminder—any patient receiving an implanted valve must follow the recommendations of their physicians for anticoagulation treatment postoperatively.

Actually, the aspirin only trial for low risk aortic patients in Germany for On-X valves led to the current trial in the USA (PROACT) with a branch of patients being treated with aspirin/Plavix—a study being conducted in 40 USA centers including several of the top ten cardiac surgery centers. The results of PROACT are reviewed monthly by a group of physicians to determine if there is any reason the trial should be stopped. This current trial has been ongoing continuously since 2006.

When the study in Germany was closed to focus on the current larger USA trial, the results for the aspirin only group were not significantly statistically different from the Coumadin group. There was an abstract presented about the study at a European meeting and the conclusion of the abstract was:

Conclusion: These preliminary data indicate that selected patients with an On-X valve in aortic position may be safely maintained on low-dose aspirin-only. However, more patients and longer follow-up are required to draw valid conclusions.
 
"Conclusion: These preliminary data indicate that selected patients with an On-X valve in aortic position may be safely maintained on low-dose aspirin-only. However, more patients and longer follow-up are required to draw valid conclusions. "

So knowing this information "that selected patients" may be safely maintained on low -dose aspirin-only and assuming that the trials that follow add plavix what does that tell you about the success of the aspirin only trials? I may totally be jumping to conclusions here not knowing the least amount of facts. Maybe they want to figure out what to do about the other percent that were not successfull on aspirin only. Interesting that it is "selected patients". Not a large number, small number etc. All I can say is don't show me the money.SHOW ME THE STATISTICS. If the study is closed then why not make the results public. We have a right to know. Maybe they are on there way.

"When the study in Germany was closed to focus on the current larger USA trial, the results for the aspirin only group were not significantly statistically different from the Coumadin group."

So then can I assume that selected patients with an On-X valve in aortic position may be safely maintained on coumadin. WTF does "selected mean" Dictionary.com:to choose in preference to another or others; pick out. I hope I am a "selected patient" on the trial I will be going on.

I emailed on-y today. Will wait for a response. I have to go do some gardening LOL.
 
They will release the full study when it is done.
In 2010.
You have no rights what so ever with respect to studies done by private institutions.

It is nice they are sharing preliminary information but need to wait for full results.
 
I will be greatly anticipating the results of those studies.

"You have no rights what so ever with respect to studies done by private institutions"

It would be in there best interest to be as transparent as they can. Transparency leads to trust. . The lack of information and proper statistics can allow people to jump to there own true or untrue conclusions. This can lead to misconception. I geuss I will have to be a good little hamster and patiently wait for the results.

It is nice they are sharing preliminary information but need to wait for full results.

"When the study in Germany was closed to focus on the current larger USA trial "They will release the full study when it is done."
In 2010.

These two statement concradict each other.

"It is nice they are sharing preliminary information"

What have they really shared "that selectd patients were successfull on aspirin only trials and aspirin only group were not significantly statistically different from the Coumadin group." What we know is a new trial isstarting using aspirin and plavix. I fish in cloudy waters, sometimes I don't know what I will catch.
 
I'm sure that the "select" patients in the German study would have been ones who had sparkling clean arteries and a very low risk for stroke due to any other issues except the valve replacement. Ultimately they would have been looking for lack of strokes in a best case scenario with no other interferences. (I assume).
 
I will be greatly anticipating the results of those studies.

"You have no rights what so ever with respect to studies done by private institutions"

It would be in there best interest to be as transparent as they can. Transparency leads to trust. . The lack of information and proper statistics can allow people to jump to there own true or untrue conclusions. This can lead to misconception. I geuss I will have to be a good little hamster and patiently wait for the results.

It is nice they are sharing preliminary information but need to wait for full results.

"When the study in Germany was closed to focus on the current larger USA trial "They will release the full study when it is done."
In 2010.

These two statement concradict each other.

"It is nice they are sharing preliminary information"

What have they really shared "that selectd patients were successfull on aspirin only trials and aspirin only group were not significantly statistically different from the Coumadin group." What we know is a new trial isstarting using aspirin and plavix. I fish in cloudy waters, sometimes I don't know what I will catch.

So IF you like playing detective and finding clues and coming up with your own conclusions ... and as always this is JUST MY opionion, and I'm not a medical professional, just a mom, but..
It is pretty hard to get the extact info on the now stopped trial, but as you said, when they started the trial in the US, following the German aspirin only trial, they did not put an aspirin only leg to the trial. There are a couple German studies with the same doctors about their experience with the ON-X that might give a little insight. Since they are one of the first (or first?) /longest center that has used the ON-X, that make me think there is a reason for that. Altho noone comes right out and says it and as you said you can't find the actual numbers, so you have to use your common sense. I would THINK that IF the German trial was going as well as they hoped they would not have close it to "focus on the larger US trial" since many trials can go on at the same time and this was already set up, had patients on it, data ect and IF the aspirin only trial was allowed to continue it would have been wonderful IF it showed aspirin only was safe. They had a couple newsletters about this trial, but they seemed to have stopped and i couldn't find any after #3 http://atamed.com/Clinical Update No 3.pdf


I know in the (now stopped) German trial the first year, after someone died they suspended the trial and changed who was allowed to be in it (from Robins thread ) http://www.valvereplacement.org/forums/archive/index.php/t-9951.html It doesn't say how many people were in it, (the goal was 100 according to the on-x newsletters) but after 1 year they had 15 patient years of result and the patients were on it from 6-13 month

"The study currently has a total patient experience of 15 pt/yrs, the first patient being placed on the aspirin protocol 13 months ago. Trends from the study will start to be apparent at 100 pt/yrs of experience, which should be achieved within the next 12 to 18 months.

Except for one adverse event (described below), all other patients have been on aspirin-only for a mean follow-up of 7.5 ± 2.9 (range: 6 to 13) months. Of the patients enrolled under the updated exclusion criteria survival is 100 percent, transthoracic echo (TTE) shows normally functioning On-X valves in all patients, and mean LDH is 234 ± 22 (normal: <240) U/l. Of all patients enrolled since initiation of the aspirin study, survival is 95.2%. One aspirin-only patient with carotid atherosclerosis had a minor transient ischemic attack (TIA) lasting only a few minutes at six weeks follow-up. Other than this patient and the one described below, there have been no additional thromboembolic events, valve thromboses or other complications.

Adverse Event

The only serious adverse patient event occurred in April of 2004 wherein a patient died. By protocol, the study was placed in a state of ?suspension,? meaning that no additional patients could be entered into the study. Patients already converted to the aspirin-only protocol were informed of the event, given additional instruction in compliance to the protocol and required to sign an additional informed consent agreement in order to remain in the study.

After reviewing the facts relating to the event, the Data and Safety Monitoring Committee (DSMC) of the On-X Aortic Valve Aspirin Study recommended continuation of the study subject to the same ethics committee reviews and re-approvals. Having fully investigated the adverse event, the immediately involved hospital ethics committee has determined that the study may be resumed. The study was modified to exclude patients with potentially complicating conditions similar to those in the patient who died, including the exclusion of patients with permanent pacemakers and those with a combination of other conditions that may predispose them to coagulation related complications. In addition, more frequent monitoring of the patients was instituted."


As for the other studies by this same group, IF you can get the entire article for "Single-Center Experience with the On-X Prosthetic Heart Valve between 1996 and 2005" - Tossios,\ P, Reber D, Oustria M, Holland-Letz T, Germing A, Buchwald D, Laczkovics A.
Department of Cardiothoracic Surgery, BG Universitätsklinikum Bergmannsheil, University of Bochum, Bochum, Germany. (pubmed has the abstract) it might be helpful to read.
It is by the same center/investigator/surgeons as the aspirin trial and includes the years the aspirin trial was going on. (at least some of them I don't know when the trial was stopped) They were using it for 10 years and had 428 patients recieve the ON-X

the results were RESULTS: Early mortality (< or = 30 days) was 3.7% after AVR and 14.0% after MVR, with valve-related mortality rates of 0.4% and 1.2%, respectively. At autopsy (n = 12) all implants were intact. Freedom from valve-related death at nine years was 85.0 +/- 3.9% after AVR and 87.6 +/- 3.2% after MVR. The overall survival rate was 67.9 +/- 4.3% after AVR and 52.7 +/- 8.1% after MVR. The linearized rate of thromboembolism for AVR and MVR was 1.49%/pt-yr and 1.61%/pt-yr; of thrombosis 0%/pt-yr and 0.35%/pt-yr; of hemorrhage 0.93%/pt-yr and 1.43%/pt-yr; of endocarditis 0.37%/pt-yr and 0.17%/pt-yr; of non-structural failure 0.18%/pt-yr and 1.43%/pt-yr; and of reoperation 0.28%/pt-yr and 0.53%/pt-yr. There were no cases of structural valve failure. CONCLUSION: After almost one decade of clinical experience in a single center, the On-X heart valve continues to be reliable and effective.

I can not find a free place to read the fulltext, but I have read quotes from the discussion (one was from a competitors site and in an old thread here)
“Inadequate or stopped anticoagulation, or low levels of anticoagulation, also rendered patients with an On-X valve prone to thromboembolic complications.” so to ME it looks like it didn't go all that well for aspirin only
 
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Excellent post Lyn. Lots to digest. I wouldn't put much emphasis on the one death. When I started a new trial for my cancer drug there was one death thought to have been maybe caused by the use of tylenol + the new cancer drug.

"The overall survival rate was 67.9 +/- 4.3% after AVR "

If I understand this stat properly is is kind of scary.But we don't know the ages of the participants. If I understand correctly it was a ten year study we are talking about. If a lot of the participants were say 70 then perhaps the mortality rate would be fairly high anyway.Without avr, valve etc. But I don't know how many 70's + would have mechanical.

I still have two more months to decide if I will participate in this plavix + aspirin trial. In a few months I will ask the members of the forum what they would do. Go with straight coumadin(traditional) or the plavix +aspirin. There are a few members that have already started the trial. Their imput will be greatly appreciated.Thank you Lyn.
 
Excellent post Lyn. Lots to digest. I wouldn't put much emphasis on the one death. When I started a new trial for my cancer drug there was one death thought to have been maybe caused by the use of tylenol + the new cancer drug.

"The overall survival rate was 67.9 +/- 4.3% after AVR "

If I understand this stat properly is is kind of scary.But we don't know the ages of the participants. If I understand correctly it was a ten year study we are talking about. If a lot of the participants were say 70 then perhaps the mortality rate would be fairly high anyway.Without avr, valve etc. But I don't know how many 70's + would have mechanical.

I still have two more months to decide if I will participate in this plavix + aspirin trial. In a few months I will ask the members of the forum what they would do. Go with straight coumadin(traditional) or the plavix +aspirin. There are a few members that have already started the trial. Their imput will be greatly appreciated.Thank you Lyn.

Your welcome.
and i agree it would be helpful to know the ages of the patients, in the 10 year study. The full text probably has that and breakdown on strokes ect, that caused them to say "Inadequate or stopped anticoagulation, or low levels of anticoagulation, also rendered patients with an On-X valve prone to thromboembolic complications.”

As for the aspirin only I do agree with not worrying about the 1 death, but it would help to know if it was out of 15 patients or 50 since it was in the first year. I also have been wonderring what the stats were for the next year before they decided to stop the study, but haven't seen them anywhere.

Maybe since you are willing to be in the trial, they would give you more info tohelp you decide if you want to take the chance. MY personal concern IF it were ME would be a fear of a bad stroke over death.
 
"but it would help to know if it was out of 15 patients or 50 since it was in the first year. I also have been wonderring what the stats were for the next year before they decided to stop the study, but haven't seen them anywhere"

good point.

IF it were ME would be a fear of a bad stroke over death

I totally agree especially since I am only 42 and have two small children. A stroke would be devastating. Thank you again lyn.
 
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