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Nocturne

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A year ago, I was fat and happy. OK, obese and happy. But at 5'7", 220 pounds, and 41 years of age, I had never had a serious medical issue before.

Then I suddenly had some issues that led to be getting diagnosed with hypogonadism (my testosterone level was a shocking 130 ng/dl, which is pretty high for a woman, but I'm a man and should have been around 600 or so!)

So began a year of pain and suffering, dealing with the joys of Clomid therapy (anxiety, crying jags, etc). I was worried about my future -- intensely worried, especially after I read that low T is linked to heart disease and some researchers have started to come around to the idea that it might accelerate heart disease... And after getting tested for the first time in 20 years I learned that my cholesterol sucked (185 LDL, 35 HDL, Triglycerides in the 80s). I had only started seeing my GP doc a year earlier, because I was concerned about my heart pounding briefly when I lay down to sleep every night. Was my heart irrevocably damaged?

I had already learned that obesity may have caused my hormonal problems and was determined to do something about it. I stopped drinking soda (had been drinking about a can a day). I started walking 30-45 minutes EVERY day. I changed my eating habits pretty drastically, looking for meatless and lower-fat alternatives as well as increasing fiber intake, switching to heart healthy cereal with ground flax, skim milk, eating a handful of nuts and a piece of dark chocolate every day, etc. The weight melted off, almost too quickly, and before long I was down to 170 and none of my clothes fit. I eventually drifted down to 165, within spitting distance of my ideal BMI, a total loss of 25% of my body weight. Lipids got better, although not as much as I'd hoped... Total is now 185 or so, 135 LDL and 39 HDL, Triglycerides at 44.

While the hormonal issues never went away as I'd hoped they would, at least I figured I was doing well by my heart and would live longer for the effort. At least I was preventing heart disease.

Somewhere in there my GP doc noticed a heart murmur. He assured me it was nothing to worry about but ordered an echocardiogram anyway, just to check.

Obviously, it wasn't nothing, as I'm here posting this today. At 42 years of age I was diagnosed with aortic sclerosis with "very mild" stenosis. The velocity of blood leaving my valve is 2.36 m/sec, a bit below the 2.5 cutoff I have read about but double the normal velocity. Mean pressure gradient is 13, again below the usual for mild stenosis but double what is normal. I learned all of this a week ago.

What a kick in the teeth. After a year of living well and getting my heart health in order -- too little, too late.

I hadn't seen a doc for anything other than sinus infections and ER visits in almost two decades... I kept kicking myself over that. If I'd just learned about my lipids five years earlier...

And of course I got online and read information that led me to believe that aortic stenosis progresses from mild to severe in 10 years, requiring surgery that will give a 50 year old about 15 more years of life on average. I was going to die at 65? I have four kids, a wife I really love... I was JUST starting to start to feel somewhat normal after lowering my Clomid dose... And here I was terrified all over again!

Then I went to an actual cardiologist who guesstimated that I might have 20 years before I needed surgery, and told me that lifespan after surgery was probably much better than 15 years on average, but we don't know that yet because people getting the better surgeries and followup care today haven't died yet. It made some sense. I came here and learned that Arnold Shwartzenegger had an aortic valve replacement almost 20 years ago -- in 1997! -- and is clearly still alive and active. I started to feel a bit better.

I'm still scared. I'm still worried about what I should and should not eat (especially after reading about the "aortic stenosis obesity paradox"!). I'm worried about my sexual health -- the low T hit me there already, and I can't imagine that a heart valve issue will help any. And I've been so scared, for so long, already. I'm worried about dying young; I always expected I'd see 85, and now I wonder if I'll live to see 70.

So that's my story. Hello all! Hoping to get some good info from folks on the ground here. Hope you're all doing well.

P.S. No mention of my having a bicuspid valve from any of the health care providers I have spoken to. Getting a calcium scoring test done on my heart in a week to see if there is catastrophic damage to the rest of it. 42 is abnormally young to have aortic stenosis without a bicuspid valve, as I understand it.
 
Nocturne;n863205 said:
P.S. No mention of my having a bicuspid valve from any of the health care providers I have spoken to. Getting a calcium scoring test done on my heart in a week to see if there is catastrophic damage to the rest of it. 42 is abnormally young to have aortic stenosis without a bicuspid valve, as I understand it.

There are a number of reasons for stenosis other than a bicuspid valve. Mine was due to scarlet/rheumatic fever as a young child. It is not unusual to need valve replacements early in life....and it is not a death sentence if it happens. From what you've written, you are a number of years from surgery, so enjoy your life now and take care of yourself so that surgery will be easier when the time comes.

PS, I didn't think I would live to see 50.....even after the surgery. I just turned 80.....go figure. Your odds of reaching 85(your target date) are good if the heart condition is "fixed" when the time comes.
 
dick0236;n863211 said:
There are a number of reasons for stenosis other than a bicuspid valve. Mine was due to scarlet/rheumatic fever as a young child. It is not unusual to need valve replacements early in life....and it is not a death sentence if it happens. From what you've written, you are a number of years from surgery, so enjoy your life now and take care of yourself so that surgery will be easier when the time comes.

PS, I didn't think I would live to see 50.....even after the surgery. I just turned 80.....go figure. Your odds of reaching 85(your target date) are good if the heart condition is "fixed" when the time comes.


WOW! Thanks for the info, and congratulations on your 80th! Your story really gives me hope!

As it turns out, I DID have Scarlet Fever when I was very young, so bad that it "scarred" one of my developing teeth (so it came in brownish when I was older). Not sure if that led to rheumatic fever or not -- my Mom passed away a decade ago and my father just doesn't remember. I'm hoping that was the cause, rather than my entire heart being a calcified mess!
 
Nocturne;n863213 said:
As it turns out, I DID have Scarlet Fever when I was very young,

Scarlet Fever and Rheumatic Fever, as I have been told, are "kissing cousins" and are sometimes confused during diagnosis. Both can cause heart damage.......and it would be worth mentioning to your docs, altho it probably would not change a treatment plan.
 
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dick0236;n863229 said:
Scarlet Fever and Rheumatic Fever, as I have been told, are "kissing cousins" and are sometimes confused during diagnosis

this prompted me to have a poke about as I'd somehow always thought they were different names for the same thing. Interestingly Wikipedia suggests both are caused by the same pathogen

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Rheumatic_fever
Acute rheumatic fever may occur following an infection of the throat by the bacteria Streptococcus pyogenes.

meanwhile:
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Scarlet_fever
Scarlet fever, also called scarlatina in older literature,[SUP][1][/SUP] is an infectious disease caused by group A Streptococcus bacteria (group A strep).[SUP][2][/SUP] .... Most of the clinical features are caused by erythrogenic toxin, a substance produced by the bacterium Streptococcus pyogenes (group A streptococci) when it is infected by a certain bacteriophage.

seems like the same thing to me ... I wonder why they're classified differently?
 
Nocturne;n863205 said:
And of course I got online and read information that led me to believe that aortic stenosis progresses from mild to severe in 10 years, requiring surgery that will give a 50 year old about 15 more years of life on average. I was going to die at 65?….<snip>….Then I went to an actual cardiologist who guesstimated that I might have 20 years before I needed surgery, and told me that lifespan after surgery was probably much better than 15 years on average, but we don't know that yet because people getting the better surgeries and followup care today haven't died yet…..<snip>…. I'm worried about dying young; I always expected I'd see 85, and now I wonder if I'll live to see 70..
Hi Nocturne, welcome to the forum and no, no, NO to what you have written. If you need your aortic valve replaced that does not mean that you die at the end of the life of that replacement valve ! No, the replacement valve is replaced so you carry on living ! Assuming you needed a vavle replacement, then if you had a mechanical valve then that valve would outlive you, and if you had a tissue valve then that would be replaced when it was approaching no longer viable. I had my arotic valve replaced when I was 60 (due to bicuspid aortic valve) - I chose a tissue valve knowing that when I'm in my mid 70's I will need that replacment valve to be replaced - obviously that is not ideal but I don't anticipate that my life will end then, I'm planing on living till at least 85 !
 
Congratulations on your weight loss and diet/exercise program success! You have far more will power than I will EVER have. Though you didn't see all the results you expected, you definitely improved your health by getting down to a weight close to your BMI. I can't say this with certainty by any means, but I suspect your weight loss "saved" you from other heart-related issues. The one you are still dealing with can be fixed when the time comes.

Please stop worrying about how much longer you have to live. You can get in your car today and be killed in a traffic accident or be diagnosed with incurable cancer. Anything can happen to any of us at any time. Your mild stenosis is manageable at this point and you are living healthy. Be proud of what you accomplished and enjoy your family. You will be with them for a long time :)
 
Hi, nocturne, and welcome to The Waiting Room - the virtual room where many folks await their own turns at valve surgery. I spent almost 10 years waiting myself, having been diagnosed with mild aortic stenosis at about age 52. I finally had the valve replaced at age 63, and have been chugging along ever since. As some of the others have said, even if your replacement vale reaches "end of life" that doesn't mean that you reach EOL yourself. There are numerous members here who have had multiple replacements for various reasons. Yes, the risks do go up, but not astronomically so. Yes, it does get more difficult to recover, but remember that even patients in their 80's have good chances of success in valve surgery. These procedures are very commonplace these days, so your lifespan should not be affected. In fact, when I asked my surgeon about my life expectancy after valve surgery, he said "Your life expectancy after valve replacement surgery should be the same as it would have been if you never needed valve replacement."

It sounds like you are making the right decisions about your life style and your life. One cannot accurately predict the timeline of progression of valve disease, but one can carefully monitor its progression. You will have plenty of notice when you are approaching the time for surgery. As my trusted cardio told me as I was getting closer to surgery time. . . "I will not need to tell you that it is time to plan surgery. You will know when you need it and will tell me." What he meant was that I would feel the effects of my advancing valve condition and would decide that I wanted it fixed, probably long before it became a threat to my life. He was right. I finally told him that I was "tired of being tired." I probably could have waited another 6 months or so, but I was so tired by the end of the work day that I had little energy for the rest of life. After surgery and recovery, I'm right back at it.

Hang in there. At this point you probably just have to monitor your condition with scheduled cardio visits and echocardiograms. They will watch things as they progress and will open the surgery dialog if they see the need. Keep up your exercise program and weight management activities, as these will be good for you now, and will facilitate your recovery if and when you need surgery. (I said "if" since not all aortic stenosis patients ultimately need surgery. You will know, depending upon how your condition progresses.)

Above all, enjoy your stay in The Waiting Room. It may be a bit dusty in there, but life is what you make of it, and unless you are experiencing symptoms, as long as you keep up with all of your doctor visits and tests, you can just carry on with your life until you need to take the next steps.
 
Thanks everyone for the kind and informative words. I feel much better -- a far cry from the week of sobbing I experienced after reading that I had maybe 25 years left! No doubt I'll have other questions in the future and this looks like a great resource and group.
 
Nocturne Welcome and congratulations on your life changes every bit helps to a better healthier way of life .
I am a child of Rheumatic heart disease caused by that's right Rheumatic fever. I just had my valve replacement surgery on January 5th it only took 3 yrs to go from mild aortic stenosis and regurgitation to a sever 4 + with sever mitral valve regurgitation & stenosis which l had for more than 3 yrs. I made it !!! And you will too.
Stick around here the support and knowledge is priceless.
Xx
 
I have a question -- does aortic stenosis ALWAYS progress to the point of needing surgery? Or do some people just hang at one point and stop progressing?
 
Nocturne,

I'm already over 25 years post first valve replacement and only 43. I hope to have a solid 40'ish years left. Got five kids myself. You've found a great place to learn and hopefully get a better understanding of your condition, which will in turn alleviate some fears.

You know what they say about "ALWAYs" in T/F quizzes. The thing is, if it progresses to needing surgery - you'll be well armed with good information and prepared. If it doesn't, well then AWESOME!! You won't have to experience it. It's not the end of the world - but it can be physically and mentally taxing.

Nice job on the weight loss, BTW. And welcome to the forum.
 
Congrats on your improved health overall. You have two awesome words in your diagnosis "very" and "mild." Long may they continue!

I also have rheumatic heart damage. Since repair at age 35 I've progressed from moderate to mod-severe regurgitation over the past 14 years. The course of valve disease is very unpredictable. Go to your cardiology appointments as directed, get a strep test if you have sore throat with significant fever, take care of your teeth and gums, and continue to work on your overall health so you're strong for surgery if and when it comes to that. Basically that's your job, there's not much you can do to influence the rate of change but be a responsible patient. Cross that bridge when you come to it if you can. And congrats again on your success, that really is awesome and I'm sure is helping with the sclerosis. If you need surgery for the valve eventually I'm sure the surgeon will appreciate it if your arteries are in decent shape.
 
Welcome Nocturne, to our forum, the heart people forum. As for the doctor saying when surgery might be, never believe it. So many things can happen to make surgery come on sooner. But you keep doing what you are doing, exercise, diet, and keep the checkups going. Any kind of heart murmur has to be monitored for any changes, wheither it be 20, 10, 5 years, or 6 months from now. You are in the best place to get information beside American Heart Association, which is a resource, but a reliable one. Aks us any questions, we will help you. And be sure to keep asking the doctors questions also, education is the key to patient power. Be better informed of what needs to be done and what will happen soon. Good luck and hang in there. Hugs for today. :)
 
Thanks. What I am most concerned about right now is the calcium scoring test I'm having done on Tuesday. I'd wanted it done before learning about the stenosis, just because I had read that low testosterone can accelerate heart disease, and I had not been living healthily for the last ten years or more. Both docs I talked to pooh-poohed the idea initially, as "a man my age" wouldn't have heart problems. The aortic sclerosis/stenosis diagnosis changed their tune a bit. I still have to pay out of pocket for the damn thing, but I want to know how the rest of my heart is doing.

If it's more or less normal for a man my age, I can breathe a little easier (still have to take care of myself, though). My fear is that the whole heart is as trashed as my aortic valve. This is big -- hope and prayer.
 
Nocturne;n863205 said:
.......And of course I got online and read information that led me to believe that aortic stenosis progresses from mild to severe in 10 years, requiring surgery that will give a 50 year old about 15 more years of life on average. I was going to die at 65? I have four kids, a wife I really love... I was JUST starting to start to feel somewhat normal after lowering my Clomid dose... And here I was terrified all over again!

Then I went to an actual cardiologist who guesstimated that I might have 20 years before I needed surgery, and told me that lifespan after surgery was probably much better than 15 years on average, but we don't know that yet because people getting the better surgeries and followup care today haven't died yet. It made some sense. I came here and learned that Arnold Shwartzenegger had an aortic valve replacement almost 20 years ago -- in 1997! -- and is clearly still alive and active. I started to feel a bit better......

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Nocturne, it appears that you have chosen to be a "glass half empty" guy and have convinced yourself that your days are numbered.......and that's a shame.....but so be it. I pulled up one of your very first posts, see above, and you refuse to look at modern surgery as a solution.....even after seeing an "actual" cardiologist". I especially like his comment that they don't really know how long people getting modern surgery will live because they haven't started dying yet. I understand your concerns and fear because, like you, I was sure I would be dead by 50.......guess what, it didn't happen. BTW, I'm the other guy, not pelicle, you refer to, and yes, I am now 80 and have lived, not 40 years post op, but actually 49 years and am still going strong......shot 41 at golf yesterday (9 holes) and I refuse to die until I break 40. One last shot.....I am still waiting to be interviewed by any of these so called "studies that set my....uh, our,life expectancy at 15 years post op...and I don't even have a "modern valve".

I tried to attach this post to the currently running post "life expectancy after surgery" in answer to Nocturnes' whining but, at 80, I just don't know my way around computers and it posted to one of his very first posts on this forum.....sorry for any confusion..
 
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